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Gen. 810 honing guide
WHAT an awesome tool! This honing guide is seriously substantial and huge compared to the newer plastic 809, one of which I cracked when clamping a blade in it to be tight enough (I fixed it with epoxy and a small wood screw). The 810 I got is the real long one, where the threaded post is clamped from the back and not the top of it, and the steel body has a "crook-down" toward where the blade is clamped, another design of metal 810 has a "straight-er" body, and I think it is shorter. BTW if anyone has had a problem of the blade skewing on it's own, just make sure it is clamped so that the side of the blade is against the in-side of the slot's wall, left or right, maybe stick a hardwood shim in there on the other side of the blade, and go gentler so the stone does the work. I think it would be better for companies, that once they have a well made tool designed and in production, don't cease it and flip crap at the public for the sake of economy, just raise the damn price and keep it going. The plastic 809 sells for $26.xx in stores, no doubt the same the older 810 sold for, but if the older 810 is worth at least $44.95 these days as new, I would still buy it. -- Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
Some folks do exactly that: http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=51868&cat=1,43072,43078&ap=1 http://www.garrettwade.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=105910&itemType=PRODUCT&iMai nCat=12395&iSubCat=12400&iProductID=105910 Barry I havn't bought either of those yet but I don't think I need to, for my skills. I would like to have the Veritas though... and I also think your point doesn't exactly match up to mine. Those products are new design and production, the General 810 goes way back through several design changes over many years. In my post I am referring mostly to tool production in the US and it's concerns with economy, it's just a "sad route" to take. The Stanley Co. is no doubt one of the worst (best) examples of this, they could still be making 750 and 720 chisels in high alloy HCS at RC 60 and selling them for what they are worth, $30 to $40 each. -- Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
Understood! But "we" don't really want those in the mass-market any more. G Who's the "we"? I sure do. Remember where the tools you're talking about are sold. Hardware store Harry, Wal-Mart, or your typical home center aren't going to bother to even stock a $40 chisel or $50 honing guide. If this wasn't true, your local Ace or Home Depot's hand tool aisle would look a lot more like Woodcraft's than what we see now. It's not like they _can't_ get good stuff. Your typical Woodcraft style store would be in every town, if that's what the purchasing public demanded. It's sad, people flock to the borgs, and some nice hardware stores have gone out of bidness because of it... there is plenty here though, but nothing like a Woodcraft. But as far as production of more costly things like I am yakkin about, there are still the woodworking businesses online and specialist stores that will stock desireable items, such as Rockler and Woodcraft and single store front retailers. General and Stanley could do it no problem, as much as Lie-Nielson is distributing their tools. The typical crappy Stanley or Buck Brothers, as well as the half-way decent Marples Blue Chips are fine for what the average shopper needs. The market has told this to the retailers. Yeah and retailers have the same economical ideas, why pay too much for something that most likely will not sell fast enough. Good hand tools have become a niche. If Lee Valley and Garrett Wade were cleaning the mass-market's clock, I have no doubt that Stanley, Irwin, or General _would_ sell the better stuff, or else the BORGs would be beating a path to Rob Lee's office to make wholesale agreements. That's what successful business do, sell what folks want to buy. Seems they almost couldn't care less, nor do they pay attention. Barry -- Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
Yeah... I think, with the way you've gone with that last set of text, you've forgotten my point. It's the second paragraph set, my answer there. Because of all the "other" kinds of business possibilities that exist now, what I am yakking about wouldn't be a problem, anyone knows it. LN is a smaller producer but they are distributing everywhere they possibly can. It's a good example. That means both General and Stanley could do the same with their older and far better designs. There is no reason to fight to justify anything else. -- Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
AAvK wrote:
There is no reason to fight to justify anything else. Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as fighting. G Barry |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as fighting. G Barry Did I say that you did? -- Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
AAvK wrote:
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as fighting. G Barry Did I say that you did? I wasn't sure, and on occasion my methods of making a point have been taken that way. It's all good! |
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Gen. 810 honing guide
"AAvK" wrote:
Yeah... I think, with the way you've gone with that last set of text, you've forgotten my point. It's the second paragraph set, my answer there. I trust that in some context, that makes sense! g Because of all the "other" kinds of business possibilities that exist now, what I am yakking about wouldn't be a problem, anyone knows it. LN is a smaller producer but they are distributing everywhere they possibly can. It's a good example. Yes, it is. They are distributing everywhere they possibly can, and that is VERY limited distribution compared to mass-market products. Heck, they aren't even in all the specialty woodworking stores (e.g., Rockler, Lee Valley), much less in high-volume outlets like the borgs, Ace, True Value, Amazon, etc. That means both General and Stanley could do the same with their older and far better designs. Sure they could, but why would they want to? If they can, through their current distribution channels, sell a million of an item with a $1 margin, why would they want to divert effort to a different distribution channel to sell 1,000 items, even with a $5 margin? If I were running general or stanley, I also would stick to my knitting and let LN and LV have that market. I'm just glad there are specialty manufacturers and specialty retailers that recognize the potential in this small market and serve it. There is no reason to fight to justify anything else. -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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