What with all the MBA bashing, I thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I'm tired of 'manufacturers' (i.e.- re-branders & 'acquirers' of other
companies technologies) selling machines at one price, only to attempt
to make even more profit on overpriced replacement parts that are
designed-in/well-known failures.

Case in point. Delta DP350 drill press - Chinese POS I should have
run from, but I got hooked by the 'demo' half price deal. Minor
amount of usage, but it has already had Reeves pulley failure and
several electrical failures in the 8 hours of so of use it has seen.

This time? Chinese power switch failure caused by an improperly
crimped supply lead overheating and melting the switch internals.
Result - melted switch and a useless machine.

Check with Delta - they want $16.35 for a Chinese Kedu* switch that
costs $2.05. Backordered and out of stock - E.T.A. - 4 months!
You've got to be kidding me! Talk about a slow boat from China...

* = Zhejiang Kedu Electric Manufacturing Co., Ltd
(was: Yueqing Puqi Electrical Plastic Factory)

Explain to me how a replacement power switch for a $200 drill press
can be bought OEM from the original vendor for $2.05, and yet the
alleged 'manufacturer' wants $16.35 for the EXACT same part.

http://kedu.cn/8e-products.asp?selec...it& offset=20
3rd switch down.

I am considering ordering a crate of these fracking things from China
and selling them one by one for $5.00 each on eBay. Quantity prices
are less than $1.85 ea.

Or maybe I'll just go pick up a quality, American made Philmore 30-866
lighted rocker switch - it snaps right in and has a genuine UL
listing. Cost? $3.95.

Damned MBA's/Bean Counters...

This explains why GPE is selling his leftover stock on eBay - I guess
a 10 year run is better than nothing... China Rulez!

...sigh...



Greg G.

"Greg G." wrote in message
...

Case in point. Delta DP350 drill press - Chinese POS I should have
run from, but I got hooked by the 'demo' half price deal. Minor
amount of usage, but it has already had Reeves pulley failure and
several electrical failures in the 8 hours of so of use it has seen.

This time? Chinese power switch failure caused by an improperly
crimped supply lead overheating and melting the switch internals.
Result - melted switch and a useless machine.

Check with Delta - they want $16.35 for a Chinese Kedu* switch that
costs $2.05. Backordered and out of stock - E.T.A. - 4 months!
You've got to be kidding me! Talk about a slow boat from China...

I hear you Greg but controlling inventory having been my specialty when I
was in the automotive business, quantity purchasing brings the cost down.
A $2 part that sells once every 2 or 3 years is wasting space on the shelf
if the mark up, "gross profit" is not up to par with parts that are taking
up the same space and turning 3 to 6 times a year. Unfortunately being out
of stock does not bring the price down. Parts prices are predetermined by
the actual cost, the room they occupy and how many times they will sell
during a year. If the sell price is too low it may not warrant being
stocked at all if it is a slow mover. Then factor in the fact that it may
suddenly start having a high failure rate and you can not find one at any
price.

I would say, if you can, by pass the faulty switch and install a good
quality one at a much cheaper cost some where else on the stand or machine.

Leon said:

"Greg G." wrote in message
.. .

This time? Chinese power switch failure caused by an improperly
crimped supply lead overheating and melting the switch internals.
Result - melted switch and a useless machine.

You've got to be kidding me! Talk about a slow boat from China...

I hear you Greg but controlling inventory having been my specialty when I
was in the automotive business, quantity purchasing brings the cost down.
A $2 part that sells once every 2 or 3 years is wasting space on the shelf
if the mark up, "gross profit" is not up to par with parts that are taking
up the same space and turning 3 to 6 times a year. Unfortunately being out
of stock does not bring the price down. Parts prices are predetermined by
the actual cost, the room they occupy and how many times they will sell
during a year. If the sell price is too low it may not warrant being
stocked at all if it is a slow mover. Then factor in the fact that it may
suddenly start having a high failure rate and you can not find one at any
price.

I was in the electronics business since... well... since 5U4's were
mounted in the tops of power transformers of B&W Philco's and Zenith's
contained Cobra tone arms - but I was a mere child at the time. ;-)

I guess I just got tired of reading about trolls, kooks, caners,
phishing, beating your children, not beating your children, which saw
to buy, how many people died today in Iraq, how rude or useless the
Orange/Blue/Green Borg was today, and other such stuff.

Stupid post, in retrospect, but I guess my point was that it seems
more like price gouging than anything. Various electronics parts
worth 12 cents are stocked by many distributors by the tens of
thousands and the markup certainly isn't anything like the 700% markup
on this item. We're not talking about local auto dealers, we're
talking the manufacturer - the Big Kahuna. And don't get the idea
that this stuff is stored in some high rent district, climate
controlled warehouse. As an example, Magnavox, when they were an
American company, assembled televisions in converted chicken brood
houses in Jefferson City, Tennessee. Not exactly what most people
would have envisioned.

Ours shops have always adhered to basic inventory management rules.
But as a manufacturer and primary supplier of replacement parts, I
don't personally believe that a 2" x 12" x 6" box containing 25
switches, sitting on a shelf with 1200 _other_ boxes, warrants that
kind of overhead or markup.

And I'd bet you a turnip that I'm not the only one to have had this
switch fail, it's probably a pretty fast turnover - which is why it's
out of stock. This is, after all, a two year old, current production,
widely marketed product.

I would say, if you can, by pass the faulty switch and install a good
quality one at a much cheaper cost some where else on the stand or machine.

Yeah, the _real_ reason for the post was to alert others to the
existence of a commonly available replacement switch, that while not
of exactly matching design, is a snap-in replacement with an adequate
amperage/HP rating. It's where I said:

Or maybe I'll just go pick up a quality, American made Philmore 30-866
lighted rocker switch - it snaps right in and has a genuine UL
listing. Cost? $3.95.

You probably got bored by that point. ;-)

Later,

Greg G.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:42:58 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Greg
quickly quoth:

I was in the electronics business since... well... since 5U4's were
mounted in the tops of power transformers of B&W Philco's and Zenith's
contained Cobra tone arms - but I was a mere child at the time. ;-)

Vacuum tubes y'say, Gramps? Got it.


I guess I just got tired of reading about trolls, kooks, caners,
phishing, beating your children, not beating your children, which saw
to buy, how many people died today in Iraq, how rude or useless the
Orange/Blue/Green Borg was today, and other such stuff.

Join us on the anti-Delta bandwagon.


Stupid post, in retrospect, but I guess my point was that it seems
more like price gouging than anything. Various electronics parts

Yeah, the other arm of Searz is doing that very thing. I got nailed
$32 for a freezer motor, a simple, open-coiled thing with a small
plastic fan. It was for a 20+ y/o Coldspot a decade ago. When I heard
the price, I just about soiled the floor. I greased it twice and got
by for another year each time, then it went out completely. I was
forced to pay their price. First they took a pound of my skin and a
gallon of my blood with their tools as they broke, then they took all
my greenbacks. Is it a wonder that I abhor Crapsman and Searz?


And I'd bet you a turnip that I'm not the only one to have had this
switch fail, it's probably a pretty fast turnover - which is why it's
out of stock. This is, after all, a two year old, current production,
widely marketed product.

So you're saying that a new Delta switch is supposed to go out after
only 1 or 2 years' normal use? Get thee behind me, Delta!


I would say, if you can, by pass the faulty switch and install a good
quality one at a much cheaper cost some where else on the stand or machine.

Cheap hack, you say? I suppose that befits a Searz or Delta.


Yeah, the _real_ reason for the post was to alert others to the
existence of a commonly available replacement switch, that while not
of exactly matching design, is a snap-in replacement with an adequate
amperage/HP rating. It's where I said:

Or maybe I'll just go pick up a quality, American made Philmore 30-866
lighted rocker switch - it snaps right in and has a genuine UL
listing. Cost? $3.95.

You probably got bored by that point. ;-)
He may well have, or he overlooked it.

How many hours of research did you have to go through to find that
replacement, Greg?

Besides, Delta paints their crap gray. I hate gray. They can keep 'em.
Griz Green is the color for me.


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Larry Jaques said:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:42:58 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Greg
quickly quoth:

I was in the electronics business since... well... since 5U4's were
mounted in the tops of power transformers of B&W Philco's and Zenith's
contained Cobra tone arms - but I was a mere child at the time. ;-)

Vacuum tubes y'say, Gramps? Got it.

Well.. hmm.... I guess I _could be_ a Gramps, but I prefer not to look
at it that way. Not sure of when the 'old fart' misnomer kicks in,
but I don't think I'm there yet. Still listen to alternative rock
music (as well as much else), and watch John Stewart and Star Trek.
So I suppose that makes me a Gramps with bad taste and a Peter Pan
complex. g But I am over 35 but less than 50.

I guess I just got tired of reading about trolls, kooks, caners,
phishing, beating your children, not beating your children, which saw
to buy, how many people died today in Iraq, how rude or useless the
Orange/Blue/Green Borg was today, and other such stuff.

Join us on the anti-Delta bandwagon.

Yeah, Yeah. Does seem like I pick on them a lot.
But like a misbehaving child, one needs a swat on the behind
occasionally to get their attention. g

Stupid post, in retrospect, but I guess my point was that it seems
more like price gouging than anything. Various electronics parts

Yeah, the other arm of Searz is doing that very thing. I got nailed
$32 for a freezer motor, a simple, open-coiled thing with a small
plastic fan. It was for a 20+ y/o Coldspot a decade ago. When I heard
the price, I just about soiled the floor. I greased it twice and got
by for another year each time, then it went out completely. I was
forced to pay their price. First they took a pound of my skin and a
gallon of my blood with their tools as they broke, then they took all
my greenbacks. Is it a wonder that I abhor Crapsman and Searz?

I wrote Sears off in the early 80's. But I still have several boxes
full of their old tools. Haven't been in a Searz store in nigh over
20 years. Credit driven re-branders don't interest me...

And I'd bet you a turnip that I'm not the only one to have had this
switch fail, it's probably a pretty fast turnover - which is why it's
out of stock. This is, after all, a two year old, current production,
widely marketed product.

So you're saying that a new Delta switch is supposed to go out after
only 1 or 2 years' normal use? Get thee behind me, Delta!

Yeah, it's the way things seem to be done these days. FWIW, none of
their Taiwanese tools have given any trouble - only the Chinese tools.

I would say, if you can, by pass the faulty switch and install a good
quality one at a much cheaper cost some where else on the stand or machine.

Cheap hack, you say? I suppose that befits a Searz or Delta.

Not into cheap hacks... Even on a Searz, H.F, or Grizzly. g

Yeah, the _real_ reason for the post was to alert others to the
existence of a commonly available replacement switch, that while not
of exactly matching design, is a snap-in replacement with an adequate
amperage/HP rating. It's where I said:

Or maybe I'll just go pick up a quality, American made Philmore 30-866
lighted rocker switch - it snaps right in and has a genuine UL
listing. Cost? $3.95.

How many hours of research did you have to go through to find that
replacement, Greg?

You _really_ don't want to know, but I'll spend 3 hours to avoid
padding the coffers of an overt pirate. I have stacks of OEM
electronics catalogs by my desk, so it was a fairly simple matter to
cross one over - once the specs/dimensions were obtained.

Besides, Delta paints their crap gray. I hate gray. They can keep 'em.
Griz Green is the color for me.

Same crap, different color. G, D & R


Greg G.

What is that old saying....about arguing with a fool?

mike from American Sycamore said:

What is that old saying....about arguing with a fool?

Hmm... Would that be the top posting fool from Lead Poisoning Land*
who spams Usenet, the fool American consumers who are suckered into
buying poorly engineered Chinese crap, or the fool MBA that decides to
charge $16.35 for a $2.05 switch in order to boost profits for a
failing corporation?

Decisions, decisions...
Having been in the service industry, representing numerous mfg's for
several decades - I pick all three!



* LPL - the concentration of exhaust emissions along 'Transit Alley'
over the past five decades has caused a buildup of toxic lead in the
environment, and a considerable drop in average SAT scores in areas
neighboring I-65 and I-70. Although lead (an engine lubricant) has
long since been removed from fuel, the lead - and the low scores -
persists in the environment. Hey, look what it did for the Romans...



Greg G.