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I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the
standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur and I also don't see me being able to sufficiently clean the shop to do a spray finish. I bought one of the Harbor Freight HVLP spray guns (yea, a misnomer without a doubt based on the expense of the real thing in Woodcraft stores) but I haven't even tried it yet. Any comments beyond, "You're a putz", would be greatly appreciated. Later, Chiz |
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I have used Danish and Tung oil for a lot of projects and it provides a very
nice finish. It is not brainless by any means and you have to stay with each application to ensure wet oil is removed between coats. Still a bit of sanding and attention to get rid of small dust particles, etc but the end result is nice and easy to maintain. More recently I have used wipe on poly on some project and have found that it applies much like oil - similar process. It takes several coats to achieve the coverage of a brush coat but it is easy to maintain a very smooth finish. That is not to say you won't have to do some cleanup with fine sandpaper between coats. RonB |
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Chiz,
I just finished a maple tabletop for one of my SILs using wipe-on-poly. It went on great, sanded between coats as per the instructions and applied 4 applications. Only problem was - I wanted a satin finish and it was glossy but that's a story for another post. Some tips that may help: 1. Use a lint free cotton cloth and despite what you may think - that is not an old T-shirt. Go to the auto store or borg and purchase some cheese cloth. That really works well. Make a pad from about and 8" square piece of cloth folded up. Saturate the cloth, rub on the poly. 2. Between applications, put the cheese cloth pad in an air tight baggy. Roll all the air out then zip it shut and it will be ready for the next application. 3. If you want a satin finish but still want the grain to show thru, you should make the first several coats glossy - then finish up with a coat or two of satin. Satin will hide the grain (considerably). 4. While applying the poly avoid the temptation to go back over an area you just did - even though you missed a spot. After about 15 seconds, the poly starts to setup already and if you go back over it - you will just smudge it. Best to leave it alone, lightly sand after its dry and recoat. Wipe-on poly goes on very thin and you build up a layer at a time leveling it out by sanding between coats. 5. To get back to my tabletop, I ended up with a gloss finish because the can I got evidently went thru a freeze/thaw cycle according to Minwax and the flattners in the poly were ruined. At any rate, I bought a can of the Spray-on satin poly and applied that as the final two coats. Came out great. A little rub down with some 0000 steel wool and its good to go. 6. If using the satin sheen, be sure to follow the instructions about shaking the can or stirring the poly before and during use to insure the flatteners are mixed in properly. Poly makes sense for certain items, such as a breakfast table, but padding on shellac is about the same process if you want a non-plastic look. Bob S. "C & M" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur and I also don't see me being able to sufficiently clean the shop to do a spray finish. I bought one of the Harbor Freight HVLP spray guns (yea, a misnomer without a doubt based on the expense of the real thing in Woodcraft stores) but I haven't even tried it yet. Any comments beyond, "You're a putz", would be greatly appreciated. Later, Chiz |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:45:14 -0400, "C & M"
wrote: I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur and I also don't see me being able to sufficiently clean the shop to do a spray finish. I bought one of the Harbor Freight HVLP spray guns (yea, a misnomer without a doubt based on the expense of the real thing in Woodcraft stores) but I haven't even tried it yet. Any comments beyond, "You're a putz", would be greatly appreciated. Later, Chiz wiping varnish is just a thinner version of normal 'ol varnish. choose a brand you like and a thinner you like and experiment a bit with ratios. |
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"C & M" wrote in
: I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. snip Google rec.woodworking on Waterlox Original, a high resins oil based product. It's dead easy to use, and rugged when cured, which takes less time than a danish oil. Patriarch |
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On Sat, 21 May 2005 01:51:21 -0500, the inscrutable Patriarch
spake: "C & M" wrote in : I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. snip Google rec.woodworking on Waterlox Original, a high resins oil based product. It's dead easy to use, and rugged when cured, which takes less time than a danish oil. Amen, Brother. Eschew polyurinestain. LJ--Pastor, Church o' Waterlox. ================================================== ========= Save the Endangered Bouillons from being cubed! http://www.diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online ================================================== ========= |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:45:14 -0400, "C & M" wrote:
I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur and I also don't see me being able to sufficiently clean the shop to do a spray finish. I bought one of the Harbor Freight HVLP spray guns (yea, a misnomer without a doubt based on the expense of the real thing in Woodcraft stores) but I haven't even tried it yet. Any comments beyond, "You're a putz", would be greatly appreciated. Later, Chiz I'm lazy and also hate brush marks, etc... I use a lot of Minwax wiping poly, which works very well.. You can build up several coats with no brush marks and without having that "plastic coated" look.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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The Sherwin Williams Quick Dry Oil Varnish and Viva paper towels wipe
on 3 coats in one day espoused by Jeff Jewitt described in FWW a few years back works well! A 1:1 varnish and naptha mix squirted on with squeeze jar and single wipe couldn't be easier. |
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I have tried a "wipe-on" poly, but not yet been happy. How thick should it
go on? Steve "nospambob" wrote in message ... The Sherwin Williams Quick Dry Oil Varnish and Viva paper towels wipe on 3 coats in one day espoused by Jeff Jewitt described in FWW a few years back works well! A 1:1 varnish and naptha mix squirted on with squeeze jar and single wipe couldn't be easier. |
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If you've got a "damn the expense" attitude as I sometimes do, you
might try Murdoch's Table Top. It's a a brush on, not a wiper. I used it to refinish a maple table top out at the hunting cabin, a table that gets a lot of less than humane treatment between heavy eating and heavier poker games. The stuff is magic after 4 coats over sanded poly (not what Murdoch's recommends, but getting to clean wood would have taken days of sanding). No brush marks and doesn't look plastic. I also used it on some old occasional tables (oak) at home - looks great but with the heavy grain in oak you can't really see if it's smoothed out. On the Maple, you can see how it flattens out before drying. Regards. |
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I put three thins coats on dyed hard maple top two days running and
haven't done a thing to it since. Gloss wont give you lap marks like a varnish with flatteners will. Tri-fold a sheet of Viva then fold over and squirt on the folded end and wipe to a wet edge. Scrap for sample first. On Sat, 21 May 2005 19:20:55 GMT, "Steven and Gail Peterson" wrote: I have tried a "wipe-on" poly, but not yet been happy. How thick should it go on? Steve "nospambob" wrote in message .. . The Sherwin Williams Quick Dry Oil Varnish and Viva paper towels wipe on 3 coats in one day espoused by Jeff Jewitt described in FWW a few years back works well! A 1:1 varnish and naptha mix squirted on with squeeze jar and single wipe couldn't be easier. |
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"C & M" wrote in
: I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur .... I like both Waterlox and Minwax Antique Oil as wipe-on finishes. But the finish I use most often is an oil (tung or linseed) followed by shellac. |
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In article . 201,
Nate Perkins wrote: "C & M" wrote in : I'd like to hear some opinions on wipe-ons. I haven't been happy with the standard fare of brush on poly. Yea, I'm nearly a rank amateur ... I like both Waterlox and Minwax Antique Oil as wipe-on finishes. But the finish I use most often is an oil (tung or linseed) followed by shellac. Flecto Varithane "Natural Oil" works great, esp on Oak. I've used it for 20 years or more. The trick is to polish the wood with 600 and then apply the finish with paper towels, very thin and polish inbetween coats. When you get 4-6 coats the finish gets a depth to it that you can see. At the end you can wax or leave it as is. The finish is thin, lets the wood show through and is repairable. Someone sets a wet glass and you get a ring...a bit of polishing and some more thin finish and all is well. -- Thanks, Ham |
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