When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about
the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps,
use.
As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard
2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any
reason one would need the space behind?

On Aug 14, 1:55 pm, Kevin wrote:
When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps, use.

I think you are right. I have seen both, and when executed well,
there isn't much difference except in the eye of the beholder.

As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard 2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any reason one would need the space behind?

Not unless you are going to mount a sharpening jig to use with the
grinder. Some of them require space behind them for the arm
adjustment that determines the distance between the wheel and the tool
to assist in the correct sharpening profile.

Robert

On Aug 14, 2:55 pm, Kevin wrote:
When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]?

In a class with Allen Batty, I was told that the customary (proper?)
way is to make the lid fit outside the box/bowl. In this way the
container can hold more contents without interfering with the box/lid
overlap.

True, the appearance is the same either way, but it's nice to have a
functional reason for doing it one way vs. another.

Bob

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When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about
the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps,
use.
As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard
2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any
reason one would need the space behind?


Making a top that fits down inside a piece - the cork you mention, fools the
user into thinking there's depth he doesn't have. Of course, you can also
hollow the top, leaving only the rim to fit down, which I often do. It's a
matter of taste beyond that observation. I mostly fit a tenon from the
bottom into my tops, but it's because my habit is to fit the bottom to the
top whose inside is already finished, then use the bottom to "chuck" the top
for final and finial. Don't have to take the bottom out of the chuck that
way.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:55:43 -0700, Kevin wrote:


When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about
the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps,
use.
As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard
2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any
reason one would need the space behind?

I think it's just a matter of taste, Kevin...
I usually have a tenon on the lid that fits the inside of the box..

I've been told that inside= box and outside= covered bowl, but that never made a
lot of sense to me..

I have my grinder bench in the carport against a sheet of foam, up against the
side of the house.. Just a personal thing, I wanted the mess/hazard of the
grinders outside and away from wood shavings and such..
I use the trugrind system and have no problem with clearance, sparks, etc...

Thinking back, I think that the grinders have been against the wall in my last 2
or 3 shops... Most folks don't have a lot of choice unless they use a floor
stand..


mac

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Yes, I think there is. When you decide you need the Wolverine grinding
jig, you need room behind the grinder for the long bar which is used to
support the tool when grinding.

Bill

Kevin wrote:
When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about
the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps,
use.
As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard
2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any
reason one would need the space behind?

Bill,

Real good point. Mine is setup on a piece of plywood on top of a toolbox so
I roll it to alongside where I'm working. Keep accessories and stuff I'm
presently using in the drawers or in the rack on top. Then roll it against
the wall behind my work area when done.

In other words you can move it out of the working footprint and that way it
takes up no extra space when you store it within the footprint. I have my
back to a wall in a corner while working and it alongside me like a
secretary desk. Just move it a little if I need to walk around the lathe.
Very handy and, yet, I still lay my tools on the lathe bed - go figure. I've
got a couple of those articulating lamps (artist type?) and I'm about to
mount one of those on it as well.

On the other side of me, against the wall, are two metal 3'x3' brochure
racks stacked to hold all kinds of "stuff" as well (with a drop down
visqueen sheet to stop dust). Whole deal makes for a kinda cubbyhole with
all you need within reach. Of course, I left enough room behind me so I'm
not cramped. And the setup allows me to face the room and the window in case
a deer comes by

While I'm at it, I had an old dining room table and a portable table saw.
Decided to cutout enough in the leaves to fit the saw flush to the table
surface, then added wheels to the bottom. Now I've a good work surface,
that's larger when the leaves are installed, ability to cutup 4x8 plywood,
can run my dust collector to a collector under the saw, or use a perforated
insert for downdraft work. And I have the option of rolling it outside for
even more space and air (I built the house with 6' double doors off the
shop). If I did flat work all the time I might prefer the usual expensive
and space consuming setup. For me this is as cool as it gets. Can't paint &
sand & carve &........ on that big setup.

TomNie

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
.. .
Yes, I think there is. When you decide you need the Wolverine grinding
jig, you need room behind the grinder for the long bar which is used to
support the tool when grinding.

Bill

Kevin wrote:
When making a bowl/box with a top, is it more common to make the top
to fit over the outside of the bowl/box [think bottle of pop] or to
fit on the inside [think whisky cork]? I've gone both ways and about
the only two differences I can see would be appearance and perhaps,
use.
As to grinders, is there any reason I couldn't just place it (standard
2 wheel grinder) back up close to the wall. Can y'all think of any
reason one would need the space behind?

Kevin, I think the important thing is to have the grinder at a
_convenient proximity to your turning position at the lathe. Since
during turning you cannot tell when a tool is not as sharp as it can be,
the easiest way to know it isn't is to resharpen often while turning.
All tools become dull in use, so the more often you sharpen, the more
likely the tool will be kept as sharp as possible, regardless of how
much you paid for it.

I vote for box lids like bottle caps and cannister lids like bottle
stoppers. Why? Because that's what I do. Same scientific reasoning as
why I put milk in coffee before the sweetener and just as important.


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