does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx
~B

Off topic, for sale, alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking, newsgroup, I
don't know, on the other hand, FWIW! Tom

"bizHB" writes:

does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx

DAGS

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"bizHB" wrote:

does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx
~B

OT=Off Topic
FS=For Sale (FA=For Auction)
ABPW=the newsgroup Alt.binary.photos (or is it pictures).woodworking
NG=Newsgroup
COC=??
OTOH=On The Other Hand

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"bizHB" wrote in message
ups.com...
does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx
~B

"Ralph E Lindberg" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"bizHB" wrote:

does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx
~B

OT=Off Topic
FS=For Sale (FA=For Auction)
ABPW=the newsgroup Alt.binary.photos (or is it pictures).woodworking
NG=Newsgroup
COC=??
OTOH=On The Other Hand

COC - Crusty old Coot or variations thereof indicating someone who feels
they're entitled to a bit of impatience, given their experience level.

Lots of net terms on www.acronymfinder.com , though not COC

My least favorite is DRTLW

Off to shower.

I wrote:

"bizHB" writes:

does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
thanx

DAGS

Sorry - couldn't resist. :-)

DAGS == Do a Google Search. Google is the most important tool you need
to master on the Internet.


I just did a google search, using the terms
OT HTH OTOH NG COC FS

and the second hit was
Internet and RCTQ Abbreviations
http://www.epainke.privat.t-online.de/paiabbr.htm


Tom already answered your questions, except for COC.
The URL above says COC is "Cream On Cream" - a fabric print.
(RCTQ is a quilting newsgroup). Don't think that's what you are looking for.

So I DAGS for "COC abbreviation" in this newsgroup, and found this:

Gerald Ross wrote:
COC means Chain of Command. At least in the Navy it did.

Yeah, but here it means Crotchety ol' Coot. You'll have to google for the
history...

...Kevin


HTH HAND

(i.e. Happy To Help. Have a Nice Day)


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"bizHB" wrote: (clip) what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?
I can't help you with the others, but "etc" means etcetera. Oh, and COC
means Arch Fortiter.

I don't know what they mean and English is my native language.

Its not just here. I visited the eye doctor. The girl rattled off a bunch
of jargon. She was able to repeat it in English when I asked her to.

Years ago I always carried a Sears pocket knife. I liked them because of
the warrantee. Free replacement when I broke a blade. I would get new ones
several times a year. The packaging always made a point of A.C.A. blade. I
believe it was also written on the blade as well. I always wondered what it
meant especially since it appeared to matter a lot to Sears. One day I
asked the clerk as I was getting a new one. "Amazing Cutting Action". I
laughed. There is a lot of gooblegook out there. I skip the posts that
rely on it. Usually there are plenty of others to read.

On 2 Jan 2006 06:27:01 -0800, "bizHB" wrote:

does everyone understand all the abbreviations people use on their
posts and its just me or are people just quite about their ignorance?
can anyone help. what do OT,FS,ABPW,NG,COC,OTOH, etc mean?

OT = Old Timer
FS = Fail Safe
ABPW = Ale Beer Port Whiskey
NG = No Good
COC = Cake Or Cookies?
OTOH = Over To Our Host
ETC = Excessive Toe Cheese (not sure how that one got in there)

....IIRC

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You forgot my favorite

DAMHIKT
Don't Ask Me How I Know This

Usually found at the end of a description
of what NOT to do - and why.

Personal experience may be the
best teacher - but sometimes
the tuition fees are very very
high.

Now when's someone going
to ask about The Cabal?

charlie b

IIRC it's in FAQ. OTOH, IMHO is a COC's response to , G, & TIC on
RCW. Damhikt !

Now back to things we all understand:
M2HSS, ASP2030, DVR, VS, MT2, and the all time winner....LDD. Now
That's Chatoyance!


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Acronyms and abbreviations are used to make insiders feel important and
inside the loop. Witness government, sports etc. Most of woodturning's
googely-gook come from early internet and packet usage and there are
glossaries available on the net.

BTW, is ~B the full name, an acronym nicname, or abbreviation? Just
kidding!


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I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
If I can't understand the guys subject line I am unlikely to read what else
he has to say.
"Finishing after LDD"

I don't have a clue and I didn't read this post or the replies.

"Arch" wrote: IIRC it's in FAQ. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Arch, does the definition of "FAQ" appear in FAQ? And, if so, how are we
supposed to find it?

"Pat" wrote: I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't mind that so much, but I really dislike subject lines that are
predictably uninformative, like, "Get a clue," or "This is getting
tiresome."

"charlie b" wrote in message
...

Now when's someone going
to ask about The Cabal?

sssshhhhhh... Nobody is supposed to know about that.

Oh, I'll be the dumbask! The Cabal - sounds like something Greg G will know.

I'm slowly catching on to some of this "stuff" - but have to be surprised
at Pat not picking up on LDD. Isn't that in the Smithsonian collection, too.
Basic language? Or is that just Lief's?

TomNie

"Bob Becker" wrote in message
...

"charlie b" wrote in message
...

Now when's someone going
to ask about The Cabal?

sssshhhhhh... Nobody is supposed to know about that.

"Pat" wrote in message
...
I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
If I can't understand the guys subject line I am unlikely to read what
else he has to say.

I open those out of curiosity. How am I going to learn anything until I
learn the language?

Use to hear objections about that from the kids at school. "How come we
have to learn these big words?" pertaining to biological vocabulary was as
common a question as "Is this going to be on the test?"

Answer to both was the same - life is cumulative. Takes everything you know
to learn what you need.

"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Oh, I'll be the dumbask! The Cabal - sounds like something Greg G will
know.

I'm slowly catching on to some of this "stuff" - but have to be surprised
at Pat not picking up on LDD. Isn't that in the Smithsonian collection,
too. Basic language? Or is that just Lief's?


Extremely useful. I still don't have a clue. I don't know what the
reference to "Smithsonian collection" refers to. Or Basic Language. Or
Leif's. Does the Smithsonian collect all acronyms used by this group?

Google gave me these "LEGO Digital Designer" "Learning Difficulties and
Disabilities" "Unix ldd command" .

How much time and energy do I have to solve puzzles? Is that what I am here
for?

I think acronyms should be defined in the post the first time they are used.
So what if they have already been defined in previous posts. I haven't read
those nor will I.

At work I was talking with a 911 provider about maps. She kept referring to
CAD. Now CAD has a very clear meaning to me. Computer Aided Drafting. I
got confused as she talked because it wasn't making sense. Eventually I had
to ask her to spell out her meaning of CAD. Computer Aided Dispatch. I
"had" to learn her jargon. Do I have to do it at home engaging in my fun
activities as well? How much is one brain supposed to hold?

My own field uses jargon. I learned it. Jargon isolates you from the
general public and creates a special group. News groups are a public forum
intended to share information with a wide range of people. Isn't jargon in
conflict with its mission?

Want only long time expert news group readers to read your posts then use
jargon. Want all new people to be confused, use it a lot. Want to drive
off causal visitors? Use it.

"Pat" wrote:

I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
If I can't understand the guys subject line I am unlikely to read what
else he has to say.
"Finishing after LDD"

I don't have a clue and I didn't read this post or the replies.




Your Loss

"Pat" writes:

Google gave me these "LEGO Digital Designer" "Learning Difficulties and
Disabilities" "Unix ldd command" .

That's why it's important to use google to search in this newsgroup.

I did a "what is LDD" on this newsgroup:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...rch+this+group


and the FIRST one in the list answered my question.

How much time and energy do I have to solve puzzles? Is that what I
am here for?

Heavy Sigh...

Either you learn the terminology by reading and waiting, or you learn
how to use the tools of the Internet. I think the second is more
useful, which is why my first response to this thread told readers to
use google to search this newsgroup for acronyms used here.

I try to give good advice....Sigh...

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HUH?????
"Arch" wrote in message
...
IIRC it's in FAQ. OTOH, IMHO is a COC's response to , G, & TIC on
RCW. Damhikt !

Now back to things we all understand:
M2HSS, ASP2030, DVR, VS, MT2, and the all time winner....LDD. Now
That's Chatoyance!


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Fortiter



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Excellent and clear. I have a full time job. At home I spend my hours
pushing wood around. I am never going to be good at computers or search
engines because my life is spent in the shop. I typed LDD into Google. I
see what you typed in. I am never going to learn that. Computers and
search engines are not tools I need to butcher wood.

If the language used is clear then nothing has to be explained and no one's
time is wasted.


Either you learn the terminology by reading and waiting, or you learn
how to use the tools of the Internet. I think the second is more
useful, which is why my first response to this thread told readers to
use google to search this newsgroup for acronyms used here.


You have offered two choices. There are additional choices such as leave.

How long would it take for a wood butcher to learn to use the tools of the
internet? How many hours sitting in front of a computer? Who would teach
him?

I was a brief visitor. Silly of me. I'll return as soon as I learn
Internet Tools. Then I will use them to translate the posts into English.
I look forward to learning many new acronyms. I am excited about my future
participation. Learning to use the Internet properly has been my life goal.

Bye - Bye
Pat wrote:
Excellent and clear. I have a full time job. At home I spend my hours
pushing wood around. I am never going to be good at computers or search
engines because my life is spent in the shop. I typed LDD into Google. I
see what you typed in. I am never going to learn that. Computers and
search engines are not tools I need to butcher wood.

If the language used is clear then nothing has to be explained and no one's
time is wasted.


Either you learn the terminology by reading and waiting, or you learn
how to use the tools of the Internet. I think the second is more
useful, which is why my first response to this thread told readers to
use google to search this newsgroup for acronyms used here.



You have offered two choices. There are additional choices such as leave.

How long would it take for a wood butcher to learn to use the tools of the
internet? How many hours sitting in front of a computer? Who would teach
him?

I was a brief visitor. Silly of me. I'll return as soon as I learn
Internet Tools. Then I will use them to translate the posts into English.
I look forward to learning many new acronyms. I am excited about my future
participation. Learning to use the Internet properly has been my life goal.

"Pat" writes:

Excellent and clear. I have a full time job. At home I spend my hours
pushing wood around. I am never going to be good at computers or search
engines because my life is spent in the shop. I typed LDD into Google. I
see what you typed in. I am never going to learn that.


Then bookmark it and place it in your browser.
Or - perhaps you should bookmark

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.c...g?lnk=sg&hl=en

which is the same thing except without the query,

See where it says "search this group"?

That's where you type in your search phrase for something in this newsgroup.

I typed in "What is LDD"

You can type in anything you want to, and search all of the archives
for your answer.

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:32:35 -0500, (Arch) wrote:

IIRC it's in FAQ. OTOH, IMHO is a COC's response to , G, & TIC on
RCW. Damhikt !

Now back to things we all understand:
M2HSS, ASP2030, DVR, VS, MT2, and the all time winner....LDD. Now
That's Chatoyance!


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

I'm impressed, Arch...

Kind of scared, but impressed..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:18:21 -0800, "Pat" wrote:

I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
If I can't understand the guys subject line I am unlikely to read what else
he has to say.
"Finishing after LDD"

I don't have a clue and I didn't read this post or the replies.

OTOH, if they type something like "Finishing after using liquid dishwashing
detergent" the subject line may be too long to see in some browsers...
(besides the extra letters/words typed take away from time making shavings)



mac

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:32:03 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Pat" wrote: I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't mind that so much, but I really dislike subject lines that are
predictably uninformative, like, "Get a clue," or "This is getting
tiresome."

my top "gimme a break" topic line is:

"Question"

like, no ****... can you give me a hint about the subject of the question?..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:21:06 -0500, "George" George@least wrote:


"Pat" wrote in message
...
I especially dislike acronyms in the subject line.
If I can't understand the guys subject line I am unlikely to read what
else he has to say.

I open those out of curiosity. How am I going to learn anything until I
learn the language?

Use to hear objections about that from the kids at school. "How come we
have to learn these big words?" pertaining to biological vocabulary was as
common a question as "Is this going to be on the test?"

Answer to both was the same - life is cumulative. Takes everything you know
to learn what you need.

very good, Grasshopper....

I've always felt that when you lose interest in learning, you lose interest in
living... sort of like "enlightenment enables you to see how much you still have
to learn"?



mac

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"mac davis" wrote: (clip) sort of like "enlightenment enables you to see
how much you still have to learn"?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So--as you get older, more experienced and more informed, you perception is
that you are constantly becoming more ignorant. You arrive at the end of
life totally frustrated, or senile.

On 03-01-2006 19:20, in article
, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"mac davis" wrote: (clip) sort of like "enlightenment enables you to see
how much you still have to learn"?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So--as you get older, more experienced and more informed, you perception is
that you are constantly becoming more ignorant. You arrive at the end of
life totally frustrated, or senile.



The more I know, the more I don't know, so the more there is to know...
Let's keep learning, it's fun! At least, I think it is....

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mac davis wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:32:35 -0500, (Arch) wrote:

IIRC it's in FAQ. OTOH, IMHO is a COC's response to , G, & TIC
on RCW. Damhikt !

Now back to things we all understand:
M2HSS, ASP2030, DVR, VS, MT2, and the all time winner....LDD. Now
That's Chatoyance!


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter



http://community.webtv.net/almcc/MacsMusings

I'm impressed, Arch...

Kind of scared, but impressed..

What's scary is when you know what all but one of them mean. And wonder why
he left out IMNHO and VSR.



mac

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"Leo Lichtman" wrote:


"mac davis" wrote: (clip) sort of like "enlightenment enables you to
see how much you still have to learn"?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So--as you get older, more experienced and more informed, you
perception is that you are constantly becoming more ignorant. You
arrive at the end of life totally frustrated, or senile.



Or, You Just Don't Care!

Arch wrote:

Acronyms and abbreviations are used to make insiders feel important and
inside the loop. Witness government, sports etc. Most of woodturning's
googely-gook come from early internet and packet usage and there are
glossaries available on the net.


I think it's more like shorthand - a quick way to communicate
and cuts down on typing. It's a lot easier to use CMS for
compound miter saw and SCMS for sliding compound miter
saw. BLO is quicker than typing boiled linseed oil.

Imagine what this place would be like if you had to provide
the definition/ description of many of the unique terms
in lathe turning - two spur, four spur or stebb center (sp?),
live center, cup center etc..

In most cases, the person who uses an acronym will
provide its meaning if asked - we are all trying to
communicate here (well, like any newsgroup, there
are exceptions). It's not illegal to ask for an explanation
when there's something you don't understand.

charlie b

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
news:eQLuf.1327$QI6.1126@trnddc07...
"Leo Lichtman" wrote:
So--as you get older, more experienced and more informed, you
perception is that you are constantly becoming more ignorant. You
arrive at the end of life totally frustrated, or senile.



Or, You Just Don't Care!

Ah yes, the ignorance = bliss approach. Saw a lot of that, and not just in
the kids. You have to know enough to know that you know too little. Of
course, when you don't you can be confident in the rightness of your
opinions.

"George" wrote: (clip) You have to know enough to know that you know too
little. Of course, when you don't you can be confident in the rightness of
your opinions.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Those are the people I hate to talk to. My response to them: "How can you
know so much, when no one can tell you anything?"

Arch,

You realize, of course, that now you're going to have the ASP2060 crowd
up in arms!