Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools ONCE,
but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

Can't give you a personal comparison but I have 2 Talons and they are
fantastic. The Oneway jaws really hold well and there is good selection of
other jaws for it. Very well made and capable of holding much larger pieces
than your Jet Mini can turn. Has an adapter system so you can upgrade it to
fit a large spindle if necessary just by getting a different adapter. Oneway
chucks aren't the only ones that offer this.
billh

"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools
ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

Don Sforza said:

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

I use a SuperNova II. It took me a while to pry nearly as much from
my wallet for a chuck as for the lathe itself. But it holds very
well, and like the Talon, is upgradable for new lathe acquisitions.
It comes with a chuck mountable woodworm screw, and I like the
improved, quicker acting jaw mech which uses a single T-handled ball
head hex wrench. Teknitool has an extremely broad selection of jaws
available.

The number of available jaw-sets and their slight price advantage were
factors that finally sold me on the SuperNova II. I understand that
it will also allow use of many Oneway jaws with a slight modification.

FWIW,


Greg G.

The Oneway Stronghold are the best it has a 5 to 1 clamping ratio. For
smaller lathes the Talon is next. The Stronghold is pricey but you get what
you pay for. It can't be beat.

Tim


"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools
ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

You might check the Grizzly site too. They have a couple that are
reasonably priced and work well.

Brian

The Talon also has a 5:1 ratio as well and I wouldn't be surprised if most
key driven chucks are around the same. However, I do have a lot of faith in
the Oneway jaws for holding. I also have a Stronghold and you are right, it
is fantastic but somewhat big for his lathe. What I like about the Talon is
its small size which makes it easier to do more complete shapes of bowl
bottoms while chucked.
To the original poster, any quality chuck will serve you well be it a
Oneway, Vicmarc, SuperNova.
billh

"tdup2" wrote in message
...
The Oneway Stronghold are the best it has a 5 to 1 clamping ratio. For
smaller lathes the Talon is next. The Stronghold is pricey but you get
what you pay for. It can't be beat.

Tim


"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began
a search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a
Penn Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was
really diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl
have jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the
Barracuda, I would have been buying another one in short order. I like to
buy tools ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality
is not compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to
upgrade in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for
some of that peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

the advantage of the oneway jaws over the vicmarc and supernova is that
they work well for more than one diameter because of oneway's special
profiled jaws. but if you can get a less expensive chuck body from
another company that the oneway jaws would fit onto that would be the
best.
~BHB

"tdup2" wrote in message
...
The Oneway Stronghold are the best it has a 5 to 1 clamping ratio. For
smaller lathes the Talon is next. The Stronghold is pricey but you get
what you pay for. It can't be beat.

I have both the Stronghold and the Talon.
I use the Talon more often, simply because the majority of my
things are either bettter off with a recess of 52mm (Talon)
instead of 62 mm recess (the Stronghold). For turning between
centers I also seem to prefer the Talon, simply because it has
less mass, and is easier to stop.

But, for the heavier work, the Stronghold can probably not
be beat.

Bjarte

Based on comments in other forums, it seems they are a bit of gamble. Some
people have been very happy some haven't but you can't expect the same level
of QA for something that much cheaper. I used a $65 cheapie with my first
lathe and to be honest, it worked reasonably well. Having used the Oneway
chucks now, I wouldn't want to go back.
billh

"Brian" wrote in message
...
You might check the Grizzly site too. They have a couple that are
reasonably priced and work well.

Brian

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:24:00 GMT, "Don Sforza" wrote:

Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools ONCE,
but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

OK.. biases opinion from someone that has only used the Talon: Buy it, you
won't regret it!

I bought the Talon for my shopsmith, bought the 1-8 adapter for the Jet Mini
when it came along and use it on the Jet 1442 with the same adapter...
I recently bought a 2nd Talon so that each lathe had it's own chuck...

Easy to use (it was my first chuck) and well made... very versatile, etc...

A really good tim that was passed on to me by Jim Pugh was to NOT buy the
smaller ( #1? ) jaws... Get the "spigot" jaws and you'll do more things with
them and be happier...

They're like the smaller jaw set, but have longer jaws... more holding in a
small size...

I've turned a few hundred things on my Talon and have had only have one
problem...
I somehow managed to force the jaws open too wide and broke the pin out of #1
jaw that prevents you from opening the jaws too wide... (not recommended by me
or Oneway, it makes the jaws fall out on the lathe bed and puts a nasty scratch
on the chuck face)
I smoothed out the face and replaced the pin and went back to turning...

IMO, this chuck is the "honda gold wing" of chucks... it just keeps going and
going even if you forget to maintain it.. YMWV




mac

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Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.

cm


"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools
ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

I quite agree that a chuck is not essential. IMO, though, it makes a lot of
tasks more convenient and it is useful for holding small spindles such as
icicles for ornaments as well as face work. A chuck is just a somewhat
universal jig and there is nothing to stop you from making your own
purpose-built jig to do any task - I would just sooner use a chuck.
billh

"cm" wrote in message
...
Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.

cm


"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began
a search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a
Penn Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was
really diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl
have jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the
Barracuda, I would have been buying another one in short order. I like to
buy tools ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality
is not compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to
upgrade in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for
some of that peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

"billh" wrote in message
.. .
I quite agree that a chuck is not essential. IMO, though, it makes a lot of
tasks more convenient and it is useful for holding small spindles such as
icicles for ornaments as well as face work. A chuck is just a somewhat
universal jig and there is nothing to stop you from making your own
purpose-built jig to do any task - I would just sooner use a chuck.
billh

"cm" wrote in message
...
Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.

A chuck is a tool. You can fiddle and fuss and get the job done, but it
sure is nice to have the proper tool.

I'm Novas, standard and Super. The most-used jaws on mine are the pin jaws,
followed by the 50mm. I also keep the power grip jaws mounted for those
times I want to cut something hanging way out.

What you need is a good mate on the jaws when closed, smooth symmetrical
operation on opening. "Grip" and how fast they open or close are so
unimportant as to be inconsequential.

You will probably find that most of the people in this group prefer the
Oneways, for your Jet Mini, a Talon would be appropriate. I have a Jet Mini
and have no problems at all with the SuperNova. This chuck also has
interchangeable adapters, so when I bought my Stubby, all I had to do was
buy a $24.95 adapter.
I think you will find that Nova has a more expansive range of jaws than
Oneway. As for whether the Oneway grips tighter........I really can't say.
I'm thinking about try a SuperNova II, which replaced the SuperNova. Reviews
have bee good on this chuck.
Barry

"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools
ONCE,
but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don

There are alot of good chucks out there. Truth be told, you will
probably be happy with any of them.

I have never used a multistar, but I have herd they are the best (they
are the most expensive, so that makes sense).

I have a pair of vicmarc 120's that I reach for first ( the 120 may be
a little big, the 100 may fit you better).

I have the oneway talon and stronghold. They are both great checks, and
hold rough pieces well.

The vicmarcs seem to be better machined, then the oneways, but are more
expensive today (I bought mine several years ago when the Aussie
exchange rate was very favorable).

I like the extra jaw designs on the vicmarc, but any of them would
do the job.

I have not used the supernova, others could give you good feedback.

I would:
- pick the type of turning you do
- determine if specialized jaws would help you with this style of turning
- find a good dealer, see what they sell

Make sure the conveyance of the chuck is worth to cost, if yes,
buy it and start turning with it:-)

Happy turning, and Merry Christmas to all.

Back to the shop to finish working on those presents :-)

Mike

Barry N. Turner wrote:
You will probably find that most of the people in this group prefer the
Oneways, for your Jet Mini, a Talon would be appropriate. I have a Jet Mini
and have no problems at all with the SuperNova. This chuck also has
interchangeable adapters, so when I bought my Stubby, all I had to do was
buy a $24.95 adapter.
I think you will find that Nova has a more expansive range of jaws than
Oneway. As for whether the Oneway grips tighter........I really can't say.
I'm thinking about try a SuperNova II, which replaced the SuperNova. Reviews
have bee good on this chuck.
Barry

"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...

Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began a
search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a Penn
Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was really
diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl have
jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the Barracuda, I
would have been buying another one in short order. I like to buy tools

ONCE,

but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality is not
compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to upgrade
in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for some of that
peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don







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the non-working state to the working state.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:52:43 GMT, "cm" wrote:

Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.
/
cm


well, we don't all have a set of shirts with a big "S" on 'em, cm...
Some of us wimps need help holding stuff..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:23:58 -0500, "billh" wrote:

I quite agree that a chuck is not essential. IMO, though, it makes a lot of
tasks more convenient and it is useful for holding small spindles such as
icicles for ornaments as well as face work. A chuck is just a somewhat
universal jig and there is nothing to stop you from making your own
purpose-built jig to do any task - I would just sooner use a chuck.
billh


yep.. lathe chucks are just another tool...
lathe chisels are an option, also...
hell, why use a lathe? Just spin the wood real fast and hold an ax out... *g*

and who the hell needs a drill or screwdriver that's powered???

(umm... that'd be me)


"cm" wrote in message
...
Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.

cm


"Don Sforza" wrote in message
...
Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

After about a year of turning pens and other "between center" things, I'm
ready to make the jump into other turning... bowls and the like. I began
a search for a chuck and I've narrowed my choices down. BTW, I bought a
Penn Industries Barracuda (not the B2), and it's going back today. I was
really diappointed in the fit of the jaws and the overall finish. I woudl
have jumped at a B2, but none are in stock. From the looks of the
Barracuda, I would have been buying another one in short order. I like to
buy tools ONCE, but I'm not opposed to saving a buck if the functionality
is not compromised.

So I'm thinking either a Oneway Talon with the extra set of small jaws or
the SuperNova. I currently have a Jet Mini, but will be looking to
upgrade in the next year. Prices seem comparable, but I'm looking for
some of that peer to peer banter of the relative merits of each.

Don







mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Well it does take a little creativity to easily hold your work on the lathe
without a chuck. I never imagined there would be any of that lacking here!
GRIN

I'm just a poor boy gettin by......

Craig

www.vintagetrailersforsale.com




"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:52:43 GMT, "cm" wrote:

Chucks are over priced and not needed to turn a bowl. I turn up 24" bowls
with no chuck and no tailstock. The bottoms of my bowls are conclave and
nicely finished.
/
cm


well, we don't all have a set of shirts with a big "S" on 'em, cm...
Some of us wimps need help holding stuff..


mac

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You can read everything I know about chucks at the following address:

http://www.woodcentral.com/russ/russ7.shtml

There have been some new and less exopensive offerings on the market
since this article was written. So far may opinion hasn't changed.

If there are some prejudices showing in the article, so be it.

On 26 Dec 2005 06:58:17 -0800, "Russ Fairfield"
wrote:

You can read everything I know about chucks at the following address:

EVERYthing???


Chuck - Who wondered who that was following me around.



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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:36:31 GMT, (Chuck) wrote:

On 26 Dec 2005 06:58:17 -0800, "Russ Fairfield"
wrote:

You can read everything I know about chucks at the following address:

EVERYthing???


Chuck - Who wondered who that was following me around.

hmm... better than being paranoid and dyslectic and thinking that you're
following someone around...


mac

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Bertie Pittman said:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:24:00 GMT, "Don Sforza"
wrote:

Go easy on me... I'm new to turning, but getting hooked.

Hi Don,

I've used a SuperNova for a few years now and it has worked well.

Yeahbut, they don't make the SuperNova anymore. The replacement
SuperNova2 is a new animal that addresses your complaints. I would
not have bought the SN, but I DID pick the SN2 over the Talon, which
is certainly no slouch in the chucking department.

No affiliation with Teknitool or Oneway or anyone else but myself.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Note that the Supernova is righty-tighty if you're using it as a
spigot (expanding) chuck. The manual makes it seem like this is the
preferred mode for this chuck.

Bertie Pittman said:

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:36:43 -0500, Greg wrote:

Yeahbut, they don't make the SuperNova anymore. The replacement
SuperNova2 is a new animal that addresses your complaints. I would
not have bought the SN, but I DID pick the SN2 over the Talon, which
is certainly no slouch in the chucking department.

Greg,

Yes, they have addressed some of the problems with the newer model
SuperNova2, but not my main difficulty with the chuck, - which is,
you need to turn the handle counter-clockwise to tighten the chuck
when in the compression mode.

Well, it does operate differently than the Talon, but whether you
consider that backwards or not depends on whether you are used to
"tightening" around a spigot or into a dovetail recess... I use a
recess more often than a spigot/tenon.

Maybe I don't notice it as much due to the fact that I'm a lefty and
am also used to left-hand threads. It does have an arrow stamped into
the pinion for those who just can't remember. :-\

I'm not trying to sell anyone on either, but there has been far wider
acceptance of the SN2 than the original SN. The ball headed chuck key
is a nice touch that eliminates the need to be "straight-on" to the
chuck. Some might appreciate the indexing holes, but I haven't had
any use for them yet. The captive woodworm screw is also clamped by
the jaws, and prohibited from rotating. Perhaps I have a subconscious
desire to own Australian products. ;-)

I am simply reporting that it works fine for me and is well machined.

FWIW,

Greg G.

Bertie Pittman wrote in message
news
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:36:43 -0500, Greg wrote:

Yeahbut, they don't make the SuperNova anymore. The replacement
SuperNova2 is a new animal that addresses your complaints. I would
not have bought the SN, but I DID pick the SN2 over the Talon, which
is certainly no slouch in the chucking department.

Greg,

Yes, they have addressed some of the problems with the newer model
SuperNova2, but not my main difficulty with the chuck, - which is,
you need to turn the handle counter-clockwise to tighten the chuck
when in the compression mode.


I suppose you have a problem with the left end of your grinder and the arbor
of your tablesaw, too? It's a left-hand-thread. No mystery. It's that
way because the folks who designed the chuck figured the thing would be used
predominantly in the expansion mode, where Lefty Lucy still works.

In case you'd like a new mnemonic, remember that Lefty Lucy doesn't spread
'em with Chuck.

Bertie Pittman wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:30:04 -0500, "George" George@least wrote:

I don't have any problem with left handed threads on tools or whatever
- at least not where they make sense anyway.


You'd love the 3000, where the tailstock is secured leftie tightie for
reasons known only to Teknatool.

As I said, the reason for the apparent other-handedness is that the
designers anticipated that regular usage would be in the recess mode. Means
start-up inertia tightens it, too.