"...can the people who are making stupid comments **** off ...."

I made a similar request in a thread about plastic plumbing some months
ago, mostly the same people. I think the answer was no; they can't
control themselves.

mark bay wrote:
Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all the
crap and answer questions like adults or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Sorry but had to say it.


This is an unmoderated newsgroup. On the whole, the s/n ratio is very
good. If you don't like what someone has to say, killfile them. If you
don't like a thread, ignore it.

But don't tell people what they should/shouldn't post.


--
Grunff

In message , mark bay
writes
Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all the
crap and answer questions like adults

Not really newbiesan

or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Most people who post here have been here an awful lot longer than you.
When the same questions come up week after week, people get bored


Sorry but had to say it.

Now **** off if you don't like it, or settle down and join in. I didn't
notice much in the way of contributions from you


By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?

Yes, and, take this in the constructive way it's meant - stop being a
tosser

--
geoff

In message . com, Aidan
writes

"...can the people who are making stupid comments **** off ...."

I made a similar request in a thread about plastic plumbing some months
ago, mostly the same people. I think the answer was no; they can't
control themselves.


UK.d-i-y is a collection of individuals who are at liberty to sat what
they want

lead the way pak aidan, you've been relatively quiet, and we await
constructive posts from you

--
geoff

raden wrote:
In message , mark bay
writes
Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about
recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out
all the
crap and answer questions like adults

Not really newbiesan

or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk
about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Most people who post here have been here an awful lot longer than
you.
When the same questions come up week after week, people get bored


Sorry but had to say it.

Now **** off if you don't like it, or settle down and join in. I
didn't
notice much in the way of contributions from you


By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing
boilers......?

Yes, and, take this in the constructive way it's meant - stop being a
tosser

--
geoff

raden wrote:
Now **** off if you don't like it, or settle down and join in. I
didn't
notice much in the way of contributions from you


By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing
boilers......?

Yes, and, take this in the constructive way it's meant - stop being a
tosser

--
geoff

I rest my case.

In message . com, Aidan
writes

raden wrote:
Now **** off if you don't like it, or settle down and join in. I
didn't
notice much in the way of contributions from you


By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing
boilers......?

Yes, and, take this in the constructive way it's meant - stop being a
tosser

--
geoff

I rest my case.

Do what you want - your contributions have been sadly lacking despite
your claims of expertise

either make some useful contribution or stop moaning

--
geoff

Grunff wrote:
But don't tell people what they should/shouldn't post.
The words pot, kettle and black come to mind here.

Mark Bay's obituary notice

Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in his garage
this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of 2.5mm Twin and earth
wrapped roung his neck (Bought from screwfix days earlier)......apparently
he had offended some ******* on the uk diy newsgroup and just could't face
living with the shame and guilt..


nah just kidding i'm still here........tee hee

mark bay wrote:

Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all the
crap and answer questions like adults or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Sorry but had to say it.

The rot sets in with IMM.
If everybody just ignored him, things would be fine.

By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?

"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Mark Bay's obituary notice

Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in his
garage
this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of 2.5mm Twin and earth
wrapped roung his neck (Bought from screwfix days
earlier)......apparently
he had offended some ******* on the uk diy newsgroup and just could't face
living with the shame and guilt..


nah just kidding i'm still here........tee hee



Oh Bugger !!! :-( Here was me starting to believe it. :-) LOL !!! I was
going to say "You didn't want to do it like" You should 'ave used 4 mm csa'
cos' it's a lot stronger, and it doesn't stretch as much as the 2.5 mm does
with that size load pulling on it. :-) ROFL !!!

mark bay wrote:

Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all the
crap and answer questions like adults or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Hmmm interesting dilemma really....

For regular readers of this group there would be little need to ask what
boilers are recommended since this is a FAQ that usualy elicits much the
same set of suggestions.

Regular readers are also well aware of IMMs track record, and his
tendency to post advertising copy without much analytical thought, and
so would take any recommendations and statements of "fact" with a pinch
of salt.

The newbie however may not have read the recommendations for boilers,
but then also they may not have encountered our pet troll and may accept
the "wisdom" offered and go off an do something silly, like install a
collection of boilers with complete disregard for the gas supply they
have available, or install a "high flow rate combi" only to find that
their mains cold water supply is not up to it.

One of the great strengths of this group is the diverse range of
multi-disciplinary skills the contributors have. If someone makes a
suggestion, then you can be fairly certain that any omissions / errors /
additional information required will be pointed out in short order.

Sorry but had to say it.

Well suggest a solution, allow someone to spout misinformation without
correction on the grounds most of us have heard it before, shame about
the newbie, or deal with the issues (again) and hack off the the folks
who can't work out when to skip a thread that has reached the point of
generating more heat than light?

By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?

By all accounts they are good.

others that folks round these parts like are Valiant, Ideal, Man /
EcoHometec, Kestron, Gloworm...

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John.

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Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all the
crap and answer questions like adults or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Sorry but had to say it.

By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?

"mark bay" wrote in message
...
Someone on an earlier post asked quite reasonably about recomendations for
combi boilers.........a couple of sensible comments came in
reply.........and then total rubbish. Come on people can we cut out all
the
crap and answer questions like adults or can the people who are making
stupid comments **** off to the latest celebrity chat rooms and talk about
how much weight Vanessa Feltz has lost recently....

Sorry but had to say it.

By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?


If the posters asking the same old questions again and again would only take
at least a look at Google they would most likely find the answer to their
question without provoking yet another waste of bandwidth. Then again if you
consider things more fully, we have amongst our regulars a few sensible and
down to earth engineers, plus a loon who claims to be an expert in
everything but steadfastly avoids giving ANY clues as to what he is
qualified in or where he obtained his qualifications and has the dubious
distinction of first appearing in the group asking questions about such
basic things as what is latent heat and being unable to understand the
difference between flow and volume, you may feel its perhaps best to avoid
setting off yet another yah-boo-sucks thread.

By the way would you recommend Worcester bosch condensing boilers......?

I've had a Greenstar 28HE for about a year. It has operated faultlessly.

Christian.

mark bay wrote:
Mark Bay's obituary notice

Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in his garage
this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of 2.5mm Twin and earth
wrapped roung his neck (Bought from screwfix days earlier)......apparently
he had offended some ******* on the uk diy newsgroup and just could't face
living with the shame and guilt..


nah just kidding i'm still here........tee hee


I see you are learning some basic lessons at last.

The message
from The Natural Philosopher contains these words:

The rot sets in with IMM.

Which was some time ago. If the foolish e-mail John Burns-Curtis (then
calling himself Adam) sent me is any guide it was in the spring of 2000.

If everybody just ignored him, things would be fine.

The problem with ignoring dIMM is that there is always the possibility
that newcomers might actually believe what he says and fit 100l baths
fed by 2 combis in bathrooms lined with a foot of insulation (to mention
only a few of his dim beliefs.

--
Roger

"John" wrote in message
...


If the posters asking the same old questions again and again would only
take at least a look at Google they would most likely find the answer to
their question without provoking yet another waste of bandwidth.

Well, not all people know that they can Google - or even if they do their
first port of choice would be to come straight to the groups where they hope
for personal advice.

If the past posts on Google, together with the FAQ, have all the information
anyone could want and no-one ever comes here the ng is likely to turn into
complaints about Scewfix, Focus and YKW.

There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

On the whole I find uk.d-i-y the best tempered ng I know and have learned a
huge amount from it - and made some good friends. It's wonderful resource.

Mary

"mark bay" wrote
| Mark Bay's obituary notice
| Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in
| his garage this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of
| 2.5mm Twin and earth wrapped roung his neck

Well that's a breach of regulations, electrocuted bodies should be suspended
by a purpose designed bracket with a secondary safety chain, and there
should be a flexible metal bonding strap in addition to the circuit
protective conductor.

Owain

Well suggest a solution....

Suggestion;
A dedicated IMM thread(s) with links to the many idiosyncratic IMMisms
(hacksaws to cut PEX, etc., etc.,) in other threads and the differing
opinions of other contributors posted in those threads. Posting a link
when he starts going should prevent the subject getting swamped with
posts which are solely disagreeing with IMM. The main disadvantage is
that the IMM thread is liable to be swamped with contributions from the
great man himself, but that might divert his attention.

Maybe a section on great IMMisms in the FAQs?

I'm programmed to ignore himm, my eyes glaze over. The prolonged
disagreements he regularly provokes are a PITA.

Any more suggestions?

Roger wrote:

The message
from The Natural Philosopher contains these words:


The rot sets in with IMM.


Which was some time ago. If the foolish e-mail John Burns-Curtis (then
calling himself Adam) sent me is any guide it was in the spring of 2000.


If everybody just ignored him, things would be fine.


The problem with ignoring dIMM is that there is always the possibility
that newcomers might actually believe what he says and fit 100l baths
fed by 2 combis in bathrooms lined with a foot of insulation (to mention
only a few of his dim beliefs.

Exactly. That's why is best to just have as single dIMM alert in every
thread he posts to.

"Warning: This thread contains traces of nuts"

etc.

Mary Fisher wrote:

There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can
be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

You probably are... but, by definition, you wouldn't know about it..
;-)

Mathew

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:34:49 +0000, Mary Fisher wrote:


"John" wrote in message
...



There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

It's not amazing AISI.
You don't reply AFAIK snip drivel or
"your FAQ is rubbish".

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:47:44 -0800, Aidan wrote:

Well suggest a solution....

Suggestion;
A dedicated IMM thread(s) with links to the many idiosyncratic IMMisms
(hacksaws to cut PEX, etc., etc.,) in other threads and the differing
opinions of other contributors posted in those threads. Posting a link
when he starts going should prevent the subject getting swamped with
posts which are solely disagreeing with IMM. The main disadvantage is
that the IMM thread is liable to be swamped with contributions from the
great man himself, but that might divert his attention.

Maybe a section on great IMMisms in the FAQs?

I'm programmed to ignore himm, my eyes glaze over. The prolonged
disagreements he regularly provokes are a PITA.

Any more suggestions?

I suggest a voluntary limit of one posting per thread per OP's post and
one post per poster to correct anything wrong especially if a potentially
dangerous practice or idea is suggested.

Not if you genuinely forgot something of course but in order to stop
ding-dong threads. Whilst it is true we would have no ding-dong threads if
one specific poster retired it is also true that ding-dong threads need at
least 2 players.

So:

Newbie:
Sensible reply poster 1:
Humourous reply poster 2:
Sensible reply poster 3:
Sensible reply 4: (the subject has now been fully done to death)
dIMM's post: (Possibly suggesting impractical or even dangerous
practices).
Correction by poster 1:
Correction poster 2:
Correction poster 3:
dIMM's inlflamed reply: (probably incorporating "snip drivel" or "ignore
these amateurs"
NO FURTHER POSTS by posters 1-4.
....
....
Newbie posts: (seeking clarification etc).
a further round of posts may be occur.

I think this is workable, allows for correction of potentially dangerous
stuff and should prevent (ding-dong)*n style threads.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

Ed Sirett wrote:

I suggest a voluntary limit of one posting per thread per OP's post and
one post per poster to correct anything wrong especially if a potentially
dangerous practice or idea is suggested.

Not if you genuinely forgot something of course but in order to stop
ding-dong threads. Whilst it is true we would have no ding-dong threads if
one specific poster retired it is also true that ding-dong threads need at
least 2 players.

snip

I think this is workable, allows for correction of potentially dangerous
stuff and should prevent (ding-dong)*n style threads.


I think that sounds a lot more like a job than a hobby - we'd need to
discuss hours and pay before I'd want to go along with this.


--
Grunff

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

"Warning: This thread contains traces of nuts"

How about, "This thread is on Topic.... it has a nut in every byte".

--
Cheers,

John.

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"Owain" wrote in message
...
"mark bay" wrote
| Mark Bay's obituary notice
| Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in
| his garage this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of
| 2.5mm Twin and earth wrapped roung his neck

Well that's a breach of regulations, electrocuted bodies should be
suspended
by a purpose designed bracket with a secondary safety chain, and there
should be a flexible metal bonding strap in addition to the circuit
protective conductor.

Perhaps they hadn't provided him with Part P.

Or whatever.

Owain

"Mathew J. Newton" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mary Fisher wrote:

There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can
be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

You probably are... but, by definition, you wouldn't know about it..
;-)

OK, I'm surprised that I'm not ignored 100%.

:-)

Mary

Mathew

"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
news


There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

It's not amazing AISI.
You don't reply AFAIK snip drivel or
"your FAQ is rubbish".

Oh, sorry, I didn't know the rules.

I promise to do better next time.

Mary

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:24:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
strung together this:

OK, I'm surprised that I'm not ignored 100%.

I ignore most of your gossip if that helps.
--

SJW
Please reply to group or use 'usenet' in email subject

Lurch wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:51:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
strung together this:


The rot sets in with IMM.
If everybody just ignored him, things would be fine.

It'd be easier if he just ****ed off altogether.

Sadly, final solutions are not part of part P.

John typed:



If the posters asking the same old questions again and again would
only take at least a look at Google they would most likely find the
answer to their question

Problem with that is Google archive now seems Fcuked because of crap beta
version, and users.

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...

"Mathew J. Newton" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mary Fisher wrote:

There are irritating posts, there are bad mannered replies. They can
be
ignored. I'm amazed that I'm not ignored more.

You probably are... but, by definition, you wouldn't know about it..
;-)

OK, I'm surprised that I'm not ignored 100%.

What ?

:-)

"Owain" wrote in message
...
"mark bay" wrote
| Mark Bay's obituary notice
| Unfortuntely Mark Bay the super talented Diyer was found dead in
| his garage this morning.....his body was hanging by a length of
| 2.5mm Twin and earth wrapped roung his neck

Well that's a breach of regulations, electrocuted bodies should be
suspended
by a purpose designed bracket with a secondary safety chain, and there
should be a flexible metal bonding strap in addition to the circuit
protective conductor.

Ah - part S reveals itself. Hope the DPM is first to test it.

John Rumm wrote:

Hmmm interesting dilemma really....

For regular readers of this group there would be little need to ask what
boilers are recommended since this is a FAQ that usualy elicits much the
same set of suggestions.

Just a thought, but how about all regular posters agree and adopt a
common posting signature, something like, oh:

-----
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!

David

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:46:54 +0000, Lobster wrote:

John Rumm wrote:



Just a thought, but how about all regular posters agree and adopt a
common posting signature, something like, oh:

-----
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!


Can't think where you got that idea from. 8-)

Also we need a "How to choose a heating system. FAQ" this could be used
to cull a number of threads early on, and an especially high proportion of
the threads that go "ding-dong".

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html

Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:46:54 +0000, Lobster wrote:


John Rumm wrote:


Just a thought, but how about all regular posters agree and adopt a
common posting signature, something like, oh:

-----
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!


Can't think where you got that idea from. 8-)

ROFL - if so, completely subconsiously!

But why not..........?

Also we need a "How to choose a heating system. FAQ" this could be used
to cull a number of threads early on, and an especially high proportion of
the threads that go "ding-dong".

Mm. Quite a few areas of the FAQ could do with expanding I'd say. By
what mechanism does this happen?

David

--
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Ed Sirett wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:46:54 +0000, Lobster wrote:


John Rumm wrote:


Just a thought, but how about all regular posters agree and adopt a
common posting signature, something like, oh:

-----
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!


Can't think where you got that idea from. 8-)

ROFL - if so, completely subconsiously!

But why not..........?

Also we need a "How to choose a heating system. FAQ" this could be used
to cull a number of threads early on, and an especially high proportion
of
the threads that go "ding-dong".

Mm. Quite a few areas of the FAQ could do with expanding I'd say. By
what mechanism does this happen?

David

--
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!


Alternatively some newsgroups post the FAQ monthly on the site so newbies
often see them whilst still in lurk mode.

Mike wrote:
"Lobster" wrote in message
...

Ed Sirett wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:46:54 +0000, Lobster wrote:

John Rumm wrote:

Just a thought, but how about all regular posters agree and adopt a
common posting signature, something like, oh:

-----
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!


Can't think where you got that idea from. 8-)

ROFL - if so, completely subconsiously!

But why not..........?


Also we need a "How to choose a heating system. FAQ" this could be used
to cull a number of threads early on, and an especially high proportion

of

the threads that go "ding-dong".

Mm. Quite a few areas of the FAQ could do with expanding I'd say. By
what mechanism does this happen?

David

--
Please search the uk.d-i-y archives at http://tinyurl.com/467pf and the
uk.d-i-y FAQ at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/ before posting a question!

Alternatively some newsgroups post the FAQ monthly on the site so newbies
often see them whilst still in lurk mode.


Yes, definitely a good idea - Phil Addison does post an occasional
pointer to the FAQ website; I think it would be great if it happened monthly

In article ,
Lobster writes:

Mm. Quite a few areas of the FAQ could do with expanding I'd say. By
what mechanism does this happen?

Someone writes something and gives it to Phil for the FAQ, or Phil
grabs any particularly suitable postings and massages them into
FAQ format. I'd suggest talking with Phil first, just in case
someone else is already working on the same section.

--
Andrew Gabriel