"Abso" wrote in message
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Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

It doesn't dry in 10 minutes. I used it succesfully, but thn again I pinned
the skirting to the wall with props and chocks etc, and left it to dry for
hours. I also used plenty of the glue. IMHO there is though a limit to the
use of glue on particularly wavy walls, as the amount of force necessary to
get the skirting into contact with the wall in the dips is difficult to
maitain. Then I would add a screw to the skirting to pull it in. Somewhat
easier though, is just glueing the skirting to the high spots and then
filling in behind the remaining with polyfilla later.

Andy.

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

On 30 Dec 2004 14:50:52 GMT, "Abso" wrote:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

I use "Grabs Like Nails" from B&Q, and bricks to hold it in place for
a good long time.

Rick

"Rick Dipper" wrote in message
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On 30 Dec 2004 14:50:52 GMT, "Abso" wrote:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

I use "Grabs Like Nails" from B&Q, and bricks to hold it in place for
a good long time.

Rick

I've used brass screws before and prefer this solution. Yes they are
visible but the skirting can be removed for wall painting and carpet
changing etc.

Have used Screwfix "I Can't Believe It's Not Nails" and Gripfill. Very
different products in appearance, but both worked well for securing
skirting, architrave and other wood fixing.

"Abso" wrote in message
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Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.


Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least two
days.

Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least two
days.

I didn't find this at all. Nowhere near two days, 36 hours at the most :-)

The Screwfix one is a very thick brown gunge but it worked very well in my
application. On my walls the bottoms are very uneven and the gunge spreads
into the holes and holds the wood very well. It also doesn't ooze out around
the edges as badly.

Bearing in mind how much cheaper it is than the "proper stuff" I don't think
it's bad vfm.

I use "Grabs Like Nails" from B&Q, and bricks to hold it in place for
a good long time.

Yup - bricks, bits of furniture, wood props. This stuff isn't magic and
needs to be held against the wall until it goes off.

Cheers, Rob.

"Abso" wrote in message
...
Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.


I used the orginal "No More Nails" on the advice of this group's BigWallop
and was very impressed. They were short lengths but did have to bend a bit.
I was skeptical but followed the instructions and it bonded well very
quickly. Where this it it gets bumps but hasn't budged. It wasn't possible
to screw or nail as it was solid behind so this was the only solution and
worth the money.

Suzanne

Mike wrote:

Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least two
days.

Or just nail it on and be done with? The caulk covering my nail head
will be dry before your skirting has fallen off ...

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:

Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least two
days.

Or just nail it on and be done with? The caulk covering my nail head
will be dry before your skirting has fallen off ...

Into stone ? The nail or hammer will go off first.

"Doctor D" wrote in message
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Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least two
days.

I didn't find this at all. Nowhere near two days, 36 hours at the most :-)

The Screwfix one is a very thick brown gunge but it worked very well in my
application. On my walls the bottoms are very uneven and the gunge spreads
into the holes and holds the wood very well. It also doesn't ooze out
around
the edges as badly.

Bearing in mind how much cheaper it is than the "proper stuff" I don't
think
it's bad vfm.


Agreed - I use it by the packload. But I do have some PinkGrip to hand when
I run out of props.

Mike wrote:

Into stone ? The nail or hammer will go off first.

Fair enough in that case I suppose, seems like a lot of people
struggling to stick when fixing would be quicker though ...

"Mike" wrote in message
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"Doctor D" wrote in message
...

Screwfix's one is the same. Dirt cheap but nowhere near as good as the
professional ones.
Either buy these or press the skirting against the wall for at least
two
days.

I didn't find this at all. Nowhere near two days, 36 hours at the most
:-)

The Screwfix one is a very thick brown gunge but it worked very well in
my
application. On my walls the bottoms are very uneven and the gunge
spreads
into the holes and holds the wood very well. It also doesn't ooze out
around
the edges as badly.

Bearing in mind how much cheaper it is than the "proper stuff" I don't
think
it's bad vfm.


Agreed - I use it by the packload. But I do have some PinkGrip to hand
when
I run out of props.



We love Pink Grip

Grip Fill in the green tube. It's solvent-based and stinks for a while
but it's bloody good! Just push it into place and forget it.

T

On 30 Dec 2004 14:50:52 GMT, "Abso" wrote:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

Tom C wrote:

Grip Fill in the green tube. It's solvent-based and stinks for a while
but it's bloody good! Just push it into place and forget it.

I think it wouldn't be suitable for this job if it's solvent based as
it is to be applied to polystyrene skirting.

As it turns out, and by way of reporting back to the group, I junked
the Focus product and bought a tube of genuine Unibond "No More Nails"
from B&Q. What a difference, it actually works! Thin enough to
squeeze easily from the tube and to squash enough to allow the skirt to
sit snug against the wall, much more grippy a quicker drying. There is
no comparison.

Focus Do-It-All, you can shove "Who Needs Nails?" right up your khyber
pass. Utter utter waste of money and the presence of a Focus DIY logo
on this tube of ****e devalues the entire brand in my eyes. I'll stick
to B&Q in future.

--
Abso

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Abso" saying
something like:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

I use "Nails? ******** To 'Em", from Mad Frank's Hardware Emporium.

Sticks like **** to a blanket.
--

Dave

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Abso" saying
something like:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this
useless stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free
adhesive in the "No More Nails" mould.

I use "Nails? ******** To 'Em", from Mad Frank's Hardware Emporium.

Sticks like **** to a blanket.

Heh, if only I'd known sooner I could've purchased some from you and
saved all this trouble.

"Abso" wrote in message
...
Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting to
peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a bizzarre
position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the skirting
against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with backache and a
skirting that still just peels away of its own accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a better
brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into position?
It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor), so nailing
isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

These products are not 'solvent free.' The solvent is water, which takes
longer to dry by evaporation and/or absorption than an organic solvent. The
fact that the skirting is plastic, rather than wood makes this process even
slower.

It might be advisable to roughen the back of the skirting to help adhesion
and to remove any release agent that may have been applied during the
extrusion process.

It is vital to hold the objects together until the adhesive has dried
completely.

John Flax wrote:


"Abso" wrote in message
...
Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this
useless stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free
adhesive in the "No More Nails" mould.

Not impressed I'm afraid. It seems to be formulated way too thick.
After struggling to squeeze it out of the tube using a trigger
dispenser, I found that as the skirting was pressed against the wall
the fixative did no more than squidge a bit then allow the skirting
to peel away when the pressure was released. Lying prone in a
bizzarre position with hands, elbow, knees and 1 foot pressing the
skirting against the wall for 10 minutes rewarded me only with
backache and a skirting that still just peels away of its own
accord.

Has anyone else had similar problems with this stuff? Is it perhaps
just the Focus DIY own brand that's dire, maybe I need to try a
better brand?

Alternatively, how else can you fix this moulded skirt into
position? It's a natural wood finish (to match a laminate floor),
so nailing isn't an option as I won't be painting over.

These products are not 'solvent free.' The solvent is water, which
takes longer to dry by evaporation and/or absorption than an organic
solvent. The fact that the skirting is plastic, rather than wood
makes this process even slower.

It might be advisable to roughen the back of the skirting to help
adhesion and to remove any release agent that may have been applied
during the extrusion process.

It is vital to hold the objects together until the adhesive has dried
completely.

Thanks. I've had much more success with "No More Nails" since my
original post.

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Abso" saying
something like:

Arghh.. Just spent far too long struggling to fix a moulded
(polystyrene based) skirting to a plasterboard wall with this useless
stuff. For anyone unfamiliar with it, it's a solvent free adhesive in
the "No More Nails" mould.

I use "Nails? ******** To 'Em", from Mad Frank's Hardware Emporium.

Sticks like **** to a blanket.

And suddenly, there was this terrible roar all around us as the
plasterboard fell off the wall. But what the hell, we had two bags of
grass ... 75 pellets of mescaline ... five sheets of high-power blotter
acid ... a salt shaker half full of cocaine ... a whole GALAXY of
multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers ... also, a quart of
tequilla, quart of rum, case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and 2 dozen
amyls. Not that we needed all that to stick the plasterboard back up,
but once you get locked into serious DIY, the tendancy is to push it as
far as you can ...

Apologies to Hunter ...