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Speedfit catastophic failure.
A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe
under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
IMM wrote:
Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. This isn't the first time you've mentioned something like this. What insert did you use? I've found it nearly impossible to intentionally dislodge an O ring from a SpeedFit fitting. -- Grunff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. This isn't the first time you've mentioned something like this. What insert did you use? The older one without the O ring on them. All the shed sell only the older type. That wasn't the problem though. Wickes and Homebase sell Speedfit fitting under their own name, well Wickes does say Speedfit on it. I've found it nearly impossible to intentionally dislodge an O ring from a SpeedFit fitting. This one was dislodged with relative ease. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
In message , Grunff
writes IMM wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. This isn't the first time you've mentioned something like this. What insert did you use? I've found it nearly impossible to intentionally dislodge an O ring from a SpeedFit fitting. Because, when it comes to doing practical things, computer simulations just aren't up to it -- geoff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe and which insert did you use? ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Andy Hall" wrote in message
... On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
IMM wrote:
A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. And for your junior hacksaw. -- Grunff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... I am. No cutter available so did the same thing with two other tools. You would have left the job and waited another day to buy a £20 cutter. Sad isn't it. How amateur. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. And for your junior hacksaw. You have junior hacksaws in your kids toy box! How irresponsible! |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:37:04 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... I am. No cutter available so did the same thing with two other tools. You would have left the job and waited another day to buy a £20 cutter. Sad isn't it. How amateur. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. And for your junior hacksaw. You have junior hacksaws in your kids toy box! How irresponsible! No he'd have already had a cutter just in case, poor workman blames his tools... Mark S. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
In article , IMM
writes I am. No cutter available so did the same thing with two other tools. You've claimed in various posts over the years to have installed at least several dozen boilers in addition to other plumbing work, and you didn't "have a cutter available" for this job. I think you've just outed yourself as an armchair critic with no real-life experience. -- A. Top posters. Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... What Hepworth say... We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the requirements for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square without scoring or scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the 'O' ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should not be used. The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean, square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team An amateur will make a hash of it if the cutters are not available. You see a professional will achieve a nice burr free square cut with tools available. |
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"IMM" wrote in message ... "Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... What Hepworth say... We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the requirements for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square without scoring or scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the 'O' ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should not be used. The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean, square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team An amateur will make a hash of it if the cutters are not available. You see a professional will achieve a nice burr free square cut with tools available. I have an open mind on plastic vs copper (and usually use copper). Nevertheless (and just for interest)... Call me simple minded (many have) but I can't quite see how quoting a piece from the manufacturers saying "..hacksaws should not be used.", is in any way a justification for using hacksaws. -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
On Tue, 4 May 2004 17:03:44 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... What Hepworth say... We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the requirements for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square without scoring or scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the 'O' ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should not be used. The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean, square cut using a variety of tools. which does not include a hacksaw. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team An amateur will make a hash of it if the cutters are not available. You see a professional will achieve a nice burr free square cut with tools available. I think not. A professional would have the proper tools. This is a typical example of your "doing it on the cheap" mentality, and this time you have come unstuck. Trying to then pretend that the product is faulty is ridiculous and fools nobody except yourself. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
In message , IMM
writes "Grunff" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. ROFL!! You're a real pro... What Hepworth say... We do recommend the use of a Hep2O pipe cutter, however any pipe cutter designed to cut plastics pipes should be suitable. One of the major advantages of a purpose designed cutter is speed, however the requirements for the cutter are that it should cut the tube square without scoring or scratching the pipe or leaving burrs or swarf which could get under the 'O' ring. It is for this reason that hacksaws should not be used. The inventive can find many ways of achieving a perfectly acceptable clean, square cut using a variety of tools. The Hepworth Plumbing Products Team An amateur will make a hash of it if the cutters are not available. You see a professional will achieve a nice burr free square cut with tools available. OK lets face it, you made a hash of it See your post above -- geoff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges.
Don't you have a pipe cutter? Christian. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message . net... A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. Don't you have a pipe cutter? Yes, but it wasn't to hand. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
In message , IMM
writes "Christian McArdle" wrote in message .net... A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. Don't you have a pipe cutter? Yes, but it wasn't to hand. Why not, if you knew what you had to do ? -- geoff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:19:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. That's wrong. They specifically tell you to use a proper cutter and not a hacksaw so that the pipe is cut properly square and doesn't have burred ends in the first place. If you don't follow the manufacturer's instructions then any criticism of the product is a waste of time. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
If you don't follow the manufacturer's instructions then any criticism
of the product is a waste of time. Particularly as the result of using the hacksaw is exactly as they described in the instructions. Christian. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Christian McArdle" wrote in message . net... If you don't follow the manufacturer's instructions then any criticism of the product is a waste of time. Particularly as the result of using the hacksaw is exactly as they described in the instructions. The idea is to get a square burr free cut. This was achieved. Even Hepworth say you don't need the makers cutters. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 May 2004 16:19:30 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. That's wrong. They specifically tell you to use a proper cutter and not a hacksaw so that the pipe is cut properly square and doesn't have burred ends in the first place. If you don't follow the manufacturer's instructions then any criticism of the product is a waste of time. Total balls. I know how to cut plastic square with no sharp or burred edges. |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
On Tue, 4 May 2004 19:06:10 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Andy Hall" wrote in message That's wrong. They specifically tell you to use a proper cutter and not a hacksaw so that the pipe is cut properly square and doesn't have burred ends in the first place. If you don't follow the manufacturer's instructions then any criticism of the product is a waste of time. Total balls. I know how to cut plastic square with no sharp or burred edges. Yes of course you do. Doesn't it strike you as strange that everybody else who has used this properly and followed the instructions has not had a problem and yet you, who has decided that he knows better than the manufacturers about their products runs into trouble and makes a cock up? ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
In message , IMM
writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. Bad workman tools blames always his please rearrange in the correct order -- geoff |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
"geoff" wrote in message
... In message , IMM writes snip What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. Bad workman tools blames always his please rearrange in the correct order -- geoff Can he use his hacksaw to rearrange them, or is a special tool recommended? -- Richard Sampson email me at richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk |
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In message , RichardS
writes "geoff" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes snip What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. Bad workman tools blames always his please rearrange in the correct order -- geoff Can he use his hacksaw to rearrange them, or is a special tool recommended? C'mon Richard, you know that he is a special tool -- geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. Bad workman tools blames always his please rearrange in the correct order Maxie, oh I do like quizzes. Let's see erm, erm.... it must be...Maxie is a tubby. There you are ...got it. |
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In message , IMM
writes "geoff" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Andy Hall" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 4 May 2004 15:46:24 +0100, "IMM" wrote: Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. What did you use to cut the pipe A hacksaw and trimmed it off with Stanley knife to remove an burred edges. The insert butted right up against the pipe. The insert was not the problem, the problem was the poor fittings...fittings made by an ex toy maker. The toy box is the best place for them. Bad workman tools blames always his please rearrange in the correct order Maxie, oh I do like quizzes. Let's see erm, erm.... it must be...Maxie is a tubby. There you are ...got it. Wrong (as usual) ... try again -- geoff |
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Speedfit (inept fitter causes) catastophic failure.
IMM wrote:
down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted Wow, shows what sort of a job a 'pro' can manage. And you don't have any copper either? I guess you don't keep spares or tools at IMM mansions. Must all be down at that commercial unit. Tip: Don't take it apart and fiddle with all the bits before wrongly re-assembling it next time. Use Equator to avoid the temptation to meddle. -- Toby. 'One day son, all this will be finished' |
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Toby wrote:
Tip: Don't take it apart and fiddle with all the bits before wrongly re-assembling it next time. Use Equator to avoid the temptation to meddle. SpeedFit fittings can't be taken apart like Hep ones. But I've gotta say, I've never had any problems with either make. -- Grunff |
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Grunff wrote:
SpeedFit fittings can't be taken apart like Hep ones. But I've gotta say, I've never had any problems with either make. Yes they can, I have one here in pieces. Though this is one of the "tiwst lock" ones which also seem to hold better. As a test I tried pulling a pipe out of a locked Speedfit fitting, and they don't come out. Unlike the earlier ones... Lee -- Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read. |
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"Toby" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted Wow, shows what sort of a job a 'pro' can manage. You are right .....when using inferior fittings. Best avoided. |
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Speedfit catastrophic failure.
AH HA! catastopic becomes catastropic (again). |
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Speedfit catastophic failure.
IMM wrote:
A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. Nick Brooks |
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"Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Poor quality they certainly were. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. On a bank holiday Monday? You are probably right. Are you defending a poor quality system? |
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IMM wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Poor quality they certainly were. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. On a bank holiday Monday? You are probably right. Are you defending a poor quality system? No. I'm question your judgement in fitting parts YOU considered were substandard |
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Speedfit catastrophic failure.
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: "Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Poor quality they certainly were. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. On a bank holiday Monday? You are probably right. Are you defending a poor quality system? No. I'm question your judgement in fitting parts YOU considered were substandard A professional see can the merits of a good or bad design and quality of materials used. Speedfit fail on both points. What amazes me, is that the fittings are not exactly cheap either. Superior systems are generally cheaper than Speedfit. Polyplumb and Hep2O are superior in that you can ensure the O ring is on the pipe by dismantling the fittings and sliding on the O ring and grab ring. The problem with these is that they are bulky and ugly looking. Polyplumb is the only plastic H&C pipe maker I know that an appliance maker does not recommend. |
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writes "Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Poor quality they certainly were. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. On a bank holiday Monday? You are probably right. Well, all the sheds were open complete with a range of proper fittings -- geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Nick Brooks" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: A friend had an accident late yesterday. he rammed a nail through a CH pipe under the floor. He pleaded with me to fix it. It required a small amount of pipe and fitting. the first thing was to drain down. I didn't have any fittings or soldering equipment to hand, and had to make a distress purchase at the local shed. Only Speedfit was available, a system I really do not like. I reluctantly bought the fittings and a 2 metre length of 15mm pipe. The system was suffering from creaking around the puncture pipe point, so plastic pipe should cure this too. I cut back and cleaned the copper, inserted the Speedfit fittings and some pipe. I explained that plastic fittings are reduced in size from 15mm to approx 12mm because of the inserts. Well time to fill up. I always fill with just fresh water in case of a swift drains down in case of a problems and lose the inhibitor. Lo-and-behold one Speedfit fitting was ****ing out. A swift drain down. On inspection the O ring had been pushed out of its housing ring and was bunched up further down the fitting. The pipe inserted was plastic that pushed the O ring put. Straight out to buy another fitting before they closed. Inserted the new fitting and all was fine...well for now. The expansion creak has gone......but the fittings holding up for a period of time is another matter. I told him to observe the fittings, and if he wanted too, I could replace with Marley Equator, Osma Gold or Hep2O, or better still replace with copper. He said he will let me know, which will mean if it is OK for a week or so he will leave it because he can't be bothered. Which will mean if they **** out again he comes around to me again on a bank holiday Monday. So you had no tools or parts to hand and in your expert opinion, only poor quality parts were available. Poor quality they certainly were. Perhaps you should have advised your friend to call someone else. On a bank holiday Monday? You are probably right. Well, all the sheds were open complete with a range of proper fittings Gosh. |
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IMM wrote in message ... Paraphrased " I cocked it up". What intrigues me is that there appears to have been no attempt at simple temporary diy solutions to the problem, ie plug the hole with a screw and washer, get out the araldite, apply the plastic band aid etc, until such time as a proper repair can be done. I am not a great fan of push fit fittings/plastic piping, but I have found them quite difficult to foul up if put together with a degree of care. If you are not into the realities of plumbing, then perhaps you should arrange to call out the plumber and claim on the house insurance. I would expect the modern silicone O ring to have a life expectancy of 30 years in the domestic home. Some of my taps(on pressures up to 4 Bar) using these as shaft seals are at least of this age and the drainage connections are even older. FWIW, I always coat the O rings with Castrol water pump grease before installation and intriguingly enough, none of them have degraded in this time span. However, I would like to see some figures for the life expectancy of the plastic housings around the O rings in pushfit plumbing, because I have not yet seen a plastic moulding which does not suffer from embrittlement when temperature cycled. Washing machine washers are AIUI a different material, and apart from fibre, in the past have had a shorter life. Regards Capitol |
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