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Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should
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"bill" wrote in message
... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. Is it good level and plumb bricks, with arrises in line, perps kept plumb and full joints properly pointed? Or thrown down so that the cat can climb up it with hollow joints that will fall out after a couple of winters and mortar flung all over the place? Are the bricks bone dry or soaking wet? Who is doing the labouring, how long is the wall, where are the materials is the ground level? Any corners or piers or openings. Any cut bricks and what type of bricks? What is going on the top of the wall? Any copings are time consuming When people ask this it normally means that a 'bricklayer' they know has said that "a good bricklayer can easily lay a 1000 a day in a straight wall" and that then if the bricklayer they then get to build the wall lays anything less, then they think they are being ripped off just to prolong the job. Anywhere between 300 and 800 bricks a day for good face work can be expected. There are industry figures used for estimating purposes, but this tend not to apply to domestic work. Either get a price for the job, or quote per 1000. dg |
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"bill" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. Why do you want to know? Mary |
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Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. ================== I remember some kind of competition in the 1960s when a bricklayer achieved a target of 1000 bricks in a normal working day. Apparently those 1000 bricks were common bricks laid very roughly just to achieve the target and if my recollection is correct a target of 3000 is very unlikely. The real answer to the OP's question is that it depends very much on the quality of brickwork required and the type of brick being laid. The best bet is, as usual, to get 2 or 3 quotes for the job and pay an acceptable price for the job. Cic. |
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"bill" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. my son (an apprentice bricky) recons 80 bricks (9x4x3) an hour is good going over an 8 hour day, if it's a basic straight wall and you want a quality job. but you have to remember there are limitations, a high short wall could take longer than a low long wall, even using the same number of bricks, because the mortar has to go "off" enough while the next courses are being laid. he also said expect to pay around £1 per brick (for laying them not for the bricks). LJ |
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In article , Cicero
writes "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. ================== I remember some kind of competition in the 1960s when a bricklayer achieved a target of 1000 bricks in a normal working day. Apparently those 1000 bricks were common bricks laid very roughly just to achieve the target and if my recollection is correct a target of 3000 is very unlikely. The real answer to the OP's question is that it depends very much on the quality of brickwork required and the type of brick being laid. The best bet is, as usual, to get 2 or 3 quotes for the job and pay an acceptable price for the job. Cic. Yes do bear in mind that you are going to have to live with the result for a long time and it will be around for perhaps your lifetime and longer!.... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , in2minds
writes "bill" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. my son (an apprentice bricky) recons 80 bricks (9x4x3) an hour is good going over an 8 hour day, if it's a basic straight wall and you want a quality job. but you have to remember there are limitations, a high short wall could take longer than a low long wall, even using the same number of bricks, because the mortar has to go "off" enough while the next courses are being laid. he also said expect to pay around £1 per brick (for laying them not for the bricks). LJ Quid a brick...1000 a day.. 5 x 1000 .. 5K a week Christ M8!!!! I'm off down the tech college then!, I've already got my coat...bye -- Tony Sayer |
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In article ,
in2minds wrote: my son (an apprentice bricky) recons 80 bricks (9x4x3) an hour is good going over an 8 hour day, if it's a basic straight wall and you want a quality job. but you have to remember there are limitations, a high short wall could take longer than a low long wall, even using the same number of bricks, because the mortar has to go "off" enough while the next courses are being laid. he also said expect to pay around £1 per brick (for laying them not for the bricks). That's 640 quid a day labour, unless I've got something wrong. -- *Never miss a good chance to shut up * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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That's 640 quid a day labour, unless I've got something wrong.
that's pricing for the whole job and includes foundations, setting out, forming for doors/windows etc. so a job for 1000 bricks may take 3 or 4 days basically the guys he's working with make roughly £300 a day and out of that they have to pay a labourer that's just a rough guide price, as with any trade it depends on the size of the job. LJ |
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In message , The Natural
Philosopher writes bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. Never laid bricks for a living have we? ;-) -- mark (who has laid LOTS of bricks for money) |
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In message , bill
writes Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. There is no set rate for laying bricks. There is the old chestnut about a 1000 bricks a day. The only time we actually did it was on our own premises (warehouse size all wall no windows and absolutely going for it after stacking out the bricks, having already got the footings nice and straight and raised the corners). Meanwhile; in the real world. Lots of variables. What are the bricks being built on? How many corners? How long is the wall? What are the bricks like? An allowance has to be made for the weather. I reckon anyone who gives a quote for doing anything buildery per metre or per unit is asking to come a cropper. Get several quotes from ppl who can give references. -- mark |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. Is this some sort of bricklaying robot that never stops for things like the toilet, dinner, a chat, a smoke, a rest? And spends no time setting out the wall? You're also assuming that each brick is as easy to lay as the next one. Any brick laid below knee height and above chest height takes more time to lay. As do building the corners. dg |
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"dg" wrote in message k... "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. Is this some sort of bricklaying robot that never stops for things like the toilet, dinner, a chat, a smoke, a rest? And spends no time setting out the wall? You're also assuming that each brick is as easy to lay as the next one. Any brick laid below knee height and above chest height takes more time to lay. As do building the corners. What about windows and doors? Mary dg |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:00:13 GMT, "dg"
wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... bill wrote: Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. 300 a day? or is it 3000? Hmm 7.5 hours, that's 40 an hour, or about 1 minute 30 seconds per brick...sounds slow...400 an hour (3000 a day) would be one every 9 seconds...do-able on a long straight run with a labourer and a skilled bricky. I'd say 1000 a day is on, but 3000 is pushing it. Is this some sort of bricklaying robot that never stops for things like the toilet, dinner, a chat, a smoke, a rest? And spends no time setting out the wall? You're also assuming that each brick is as easy to lay as the next one. Any brick laid below knee height and above chest height takes more time to lay. As do building the corners. dg Thanks for this nugget of information, I amnow 2m up my house, and the walls went all wonkey at the top, I put it down to working at a strech, but my brickie frined just took the ****. Now I will raise the scaffold to keep the wall arround waist height, which produces my best work. Rick - who never laid a brick before he started building a house. |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:54:56 -0000, "in2minds" wrote:
"bill" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week, whatever it is measured in if working at a moderate pace? Assume the wall to have good access, be single skin, nothing complicated, and about 2m high. Many thanks. my son (an apprentice bricky) recons 80 bricks (9x4x3) an hour is good going over an 8 hour day, if it's a basic straight wall and you want a quality job. but you have to remember there are limitations, a high short wall could take longer than a low long wall, even using the same number of bricks, because the mortar has to go "off" enough while the next courses are being laid. he also said expect to pay around £1 per brick (for laying them not for the bricks). LJ 80 quid an hour, I am in the wrong job !!!!!!! |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:36:28 -0000, "in2minds" wrote:
That's 640 quid a day labour, unless I've got something wrong. that's pricing for the whole job and includes foundations, setting out, forming for doors/windows etc. so a job for 1000 bricks may take 3 or 4 days basically the guys he's working with make roughly £300 a day and out of that they have to pay a labourer that's just a rough guide price, as with any trade it depends on the size of the job. LJ I am still in the wrong job !!!!! I pay my stone mason less than that, and I did not negioate him down. Rick |
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"Rick Dipper" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:00:13 GMT, "dg" Rick - who never laid a brick before he started building a house. Well done! Mary |
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Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should
be able to lay in an hour/day/week Take a look at the latest free magazine at Travis Perkins - details of a bricklaying system where a different bonding agent is used. The 'muck' is dispensed in two perfectly measured lines along the whole course (for double skin wall) with the ends of the bricks to be laid buttered by the same machine with the bricks on the ground, in rows and on end. The result (they say) is a perfect bond and bricks laid in less time. How many bricks now then guys? |
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"Paper2002AD" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week Take a look at the latest free magazine at Travis Perkins - details of a bricklaying system where a different bonding agent is used. The 'muck' is dispensed in two perfectly measured lines along the whole course (for double skin wall) with the ends of the bricks to be laid buttered by the same machine with the bricks on the ground, in rows and on end. The result (they say) is a perfect bond and bricks laid in less time. How many bricks now then guys? I'm not sure about the "different bonding agent" bit ... The device is demonstrated frequently on QVC by its inventor, I've seen it in Homebase too, where it seems a similar price to that on QVC (taking in account p+p.) Apparently is doesn't 'do' the first course which must be laid to a string line ... for obvious reasons ... but it gives the correct amount of mortar between the bricks _and_ the correct 'indent' -so there's no need to 'point' the bricks. It also does 90deg returns. The inventor claims that it doesn't waste mortar as nothing falls onto the floor and excess mortar can be returned 'clean' onto the board. I haven't used one ... yet ...  -- Brian |
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In article , Brian Sharrock
writes "Paper2002AD" wrote in message ... Can anyone give me a rough guide as to how many bricks a bricklayer should be able to lay in an hour/day/week Take a look at the latest free magazine at Travis Perkins - details of a bricklaying system where a different bonding agent is used. The 'muck' is dispensed in two perfectly measured lines along the whole course (for double skin wall) with the ends of the bricks to be laid buttered by the same machine with the bricks on the ground, in rows and on end. The result (they say) is a perfect bond and bricks laid in less time. How many bricks now then guys? I'm not sure about the "different bonding agent" bit ... The device is demonstrated frequently on QVC by its inventor, I've seen it in Homebase too, where it seems a similar price to that on QVC (taking in account p+p.) Apparently is doesn't 'do' the first course which must be laid to a string line ... for obvious reasons ... but it gives the correct amount of mortar between the bricks _and_ the correct 'indent' -so there's no need to 'point' the bricks. It also does 90deg returns. The inventor claims that it doesn't waste mortar as nothing falls onto the floor and excess mortar can be returned 'clean' onto the board. I haven't used one ... yet ... Is this the "brickytool"?.... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:46:16 +0000, tony sayer
wrote: Is this the "brickytool"? Yes, made one exactly like it from MDF years ago. Wish I had had the bunce to market the silly contraption (( |
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Take a look at the latest free magazine at Travis Perkins - details of a
bricklaying system where a different bonding agent is used. The 'muck' is dispensed in two perfectly measured lines along the whole course (for double skin wall) with the ends of the bricks to be laid buttered by the same machine with the bricks on the ground, in rows and on end. The result (they say) is a perfect bond and bricks laid in less time. How many bricks now then guys? I'm not sure about the "different bonding agent" bit ... The device is demonstrated frequently on QVC by its inventor, I've seen it in Homebase too, where it seems a similar price to that on QVC (taking in account p+p.) Apparently is doesn't 'do' the first course which must be laid to a string line ... for obvious reasons ... but it gives the correct amount of mortar between the bricks _and_ the correct 'indent' -so there's no need to 'point' the bricks. It also does 90deg returns. The inventor claims that it doesn't waste mortar as nothing falls onto the floor and excess mortar can be returned 'clean' onto the board. I haven't used one ... yet ... Is this the "brickytool"?.... -- No - its called 'thin joint masonry' or 'glued brickwork' |
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In message , EricP
writes On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:46:16 +0000, tony sayer wrote: Is this the "brickytool"? Yes, made one exactly like it from MDF years ago. Wish I had had the bunce to market the silly contraption (( Its mechanical and stupid though. Just keeps doing the same uniform thickness of mortar every time. Can it pick up corners? Can it get the first course level? Can it allow for bricks being damper from some parts of the stack than others? Can it through skill and experience make the bed a little thicker, a little thinner to allow for the bricks slumping more or less because the sun is on one part of the wall while another part is in the shade? Can it adjust vertical joints to allow for the wall not being a perfect multiple of brick and (its) joint thickness? etc etc. -- mark |
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In message , EricP
writes On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:46:16 +0000, tony sayer wrote: Is this the "brickytool"? Yes, made one exactly like it from MDF years ago. Wish I had had the bunce to market the silly contraption ((And..... How does it cope with wall ties? Insulation batts? Cavity trays? Being dropped from the second lift? -- mark |
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