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light switches - safety issue?
Christian McArdle wrote:
Have you seen one blow? Showers of sparks and intense white light. I would prefer such pyrotechnics INSIDE the fuse cartridge, not showered over the carpet/dry dusty cupboard. Would have thought that is why boards like my rewireable wylex unit have a cover that goes over all of the fuses.... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Would have thought that is why boards like my rewireable wylex unit have
a cover that goes over all of the fuses.... I'm not sure I've seen one with the cover still present. Most people chuck them away after changing the sodding fuse wire one too many times. My old house was always blowing the 5A fuse wire. The circuit wasn't even particularly highly loaded (150W of fluorescent max, no incandescent). I got through 2 cards of the filth and only lived there a couple of years. I suspect the rather odd construction of the fuse carrier pinched the fuse wire and introduced a weak point. Either that or something to do with the fluorescent tube fitting in the kitchen. Quite simply, I see no purpose for a wire fuse carrier, when a cartridge fuse carrier is superior in every respect. A simple ban on them would suffice, not that many are fitted these days. Christian. |
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light switches - safety issue?
Christian McArdle wrote:
Would have thought that is why boards like my rewireable wylex unit have a cover that goes over all of the fuses.... I'm not sure I've seen one with the cover still present. Most people chuck them away after changing the sodding fuse wire one too many times. My old ;-) yup - most I have seen would confirm that. I am still the proud owner (and user!) of the one on my one though! (although not for much longer - I will need more ways when I build the loft conversion so I think it is time to swap it out for something a little less "depricated". house was always blowing the 5A fuse wire. The circuit wasn't even particularly highly loaded (150W of fluorescent max, no incandescent). I got Must admit to not needing to change any fuses for best part of ten years - then I made the mistake of installing a light fitting with mains power halogens. A couple of times a bulb has failed and taken out the downstais lighting fuse. (Clomping one of the bulbs with the end of the vacuum cleaner pipe the other week did neither any favours either ;-) fluorescent tube fitting in the kitchen. Quite simply, I see no purpose for a wire fuse carrier, when a cartridge fuse carrier is superior in every except cost of replacement fuses respect. A simple ban on them would suffice, not that many are fitted these days. Well they are depricated in the regs - so as you say it is unlikely that many more will be fitted. No reason to rip out all the existing ones until their natural end of life though. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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except cost of replacement fuses
Well an HRC fuse costs under a quid, so it is pretty academic. The 5A carrier for mine actually fitted standard plug fuses at around 10p each. I don't know if this is because the 5A HRC fuse matches in size, or just the carrier design. I never needed to change it, anyway. Christian. |
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light switches - safety issue?
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Christian McArdle wrote: I'm not sure I've seen one with the cover still present. Most people chuck them away after changing the sodding fuse wire one too many times. A re-wirable fuse doesn't blow without reason - and I've never had a bulb blowing take one, unlike the common tales of MCBs tripping. If fuses are constantly blowing the wiring installation is a mess and should be sorted - regardless of how it's protected. FWIW, I've had precisely two fuses blow in about 25 years - one for the immersion when that rotted through, and one on a lighting circuit where I increased the load beyond 5 amps. -- *Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... Christian McArdle wrote: snip respect. A simple ban on them would suffice, not that many are fitted these days. Well they are depricated in the regs - so as you say it is unlikely that many more will be fitted. No reason to rip out all the existing ones until their natural end of life though. More to the point, a ban on re wireable fuses at the same time as a ban on unlicensed electrical work and a restriction on the supply of anything more than standard 13 amp plugs would mean far more work for a few over priced licensed electricians. Me cynical, no..... |
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"Christian McArdle" writes: except cost of replacement fuses Well an HRC fuse costs under a quid, so it is pretty academic. The 5A carrier for mine actually fitted standard plug fuses at around 10p each. I don't know if this is because the 5A HRC fuse matches in size, or just the carrier design. I never needed to change it, anyway. I know they fit, but you must never use a BS1362 plugtop fuse in a BS1631 Consumer Unit fuse carrier -- it doesn't have sufficient current breaking capacity. If there was a short circuit and you have a low impedance supply, a plugtop fuse in a consumer unit could fail to safely interrupt the current. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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A re-wirable fuse doesn't blow without reason - and I've never had a bulb
blowing take one, unlike the common tales of MCBs tripping. Well, it never blew when I put the cartridge fuse carrier in. My suspicion is that the weird kinked route that the fuse wire was required to take resulted in it being almost impossible not to damage the fuse wire when installing, probably reducing its capacity dramatically. Christian. |
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