In message , G&M
writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes


In theory, yes, as they all have to conform to a standard. In practice,
no.
Hepworth say do not interchange as makers tolerances are different.

and had no problems with any of them on either copper or barrier
plastic tube.

It is important to follow the instructions for bending and securing
and also to cut using a proper pipe cutter.

What's special about the pipe cutter?

It gives a clean straight cut very quickly. You can acheive this with
other
tools, but it will take longer.

Hacksaw or angle grinder ?

CD laser ?

Excellent cutting tool for DIMM

If you think about it

--
geoff

"Dave" wrote in message
...
I've always used soldered joints but am being tempted by the Tectite
push-fit range for a heating re-furb I'm about to embark on - maybe even
plastic pipe rather than copper! How long have they been around? Any
horror
stories? Are there any other competing ranges I should consider?

Dave S

My house built on 2000 uses push fit plastic plumbing for everything except
for boiler to tank to loft bits and the visible bits of radiator feeds (ie
goes from plastic to copper in wall). Not too sure of make used but the push
fit joints have a brass outer sheath with a blue screwed in insert, you
unscrew the insert (using a special tool or pliers!) and can then
disassemble the joint.

In message , Dave
writes
What type of fitting do I use to adapt from a poly rising main to copper?
Currently the main goes straight to 15mm copper using some sort of brass
fitting but I want to change this to 22mm, unfortunately it's in a corner
and near the floor so it's going to be a b*gger of a job.

MDPE usually uses plastic push fit fittings.

You should find couplings to connect the plastic to 22mm pipe, try your
local plumbers merchants
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message , chris French
writes
In message , Dave
writes
What type of fitting do I use to adapt from a poly rising main to copper?
Currently the main goes straight to 15mm copper using some sort of brass
fitting but I want to change this to 22mm, unfortunately it's in a corner
and near the floor so it's going to be a b*gger of a job.

MDPE usually uses plastic push fit fittings.

You should find couplings to connect the plastic to 22mm pipe, try your
local plumbers merchants

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

--
geoff

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:16:00 GMT, raden wrote:

In message , chris French
writes
In message , Dave
writes
What type of fitting do I use to adapt from a poly rising main to copper?
Currently the main goes straight to 15mm copper using some sort of brass
fitting but I want to change this to 22mm, unfortunately it's in a corner
and near the floor so it's going to be a b*gger of a job.

MDPE usually uses plastic push fit fittings.

You should find couplings to connect the plastic to 22mm pipe, try your
local plumbers merchants

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.



..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.



Mmmm.... but who said anything about modern hardware?

Although I suppose that one could network two together and have a
win-win situation.

Regarding Microsoft, they are not the only player to do this. IBM
is most effective at it, but of course you can always buy your way out
of trouble.

The story runs that nobody got fired for buying these products, but
the corollary is that they didn't get promoted either....



..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.



Come to think of it, who would ever suggest that any version of
Windows is an OS?


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , chris French
writes
In message , Dave
writes
What type of fitting do I use to adapt from a poly rising main to
copper?
Currently the main goes straight to 15mm copper using some sort of brass
fitting but I want to change this to 22mm, unfortunately it's in a
corner
and near the floor so it's going to be a b*gger of a job.

MDPE usually uses plastic push fit fittings.

You should find couplings to connect the plastic to 22mm pipe, try your
local plumbers merchants

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Maxie, how can you? You are definitely slave labour working Dim Lin the far
eastern luscious lovely. Shame on you. This is not what globalisation is
about.

"Ian Middleton" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
I've always used soldered joints but am being tempted by the Tectite
push-fit range for a heating re-furb I'm about to embark on - maybe even
plastic pipe rather than copper! How long have they been around? Any
horror
stories? Are there any other competing ranges I should consider?

Dave S

My house built on 2000 uses push fit plastic plumbing for everything
except
for boiler to tank to loft bits and the visible bits of radiator feeds (ie
goes from plastic to copper in wall). Not too sure of make used but the
push
fit joints have a brass outer sheath with a blue screwed in insert, you
unscrew the insert (using a special tool or pliers!) and can then
disassemble the joint.

Osma Gold.

In article ,
G&M wrote:
You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.

I'm sad to say even RISCOS does this. My first machine running 3.1 was up
to the desktop in seconds - despite the much slower processor. This one on
4.02 takes nearer a minute.

--
*Work is for people who don't know how to fish.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.



Come to think of it, who would ever suggest that any version of
Windows is an OS?

True - Windows 3.1 definitely isn't - it sits (****s ?) on top of DOS.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.



Mmmm.... but who said anything about modern hardware?

MTBF of computer PSUs and hard disks mostly. They reach an age where you
simply can't suffer the increasing noise anymore. Of course one can buy new
bits but at that point most people decide their PC is so old anyway it's
time for a new one.

I haven't opened this thread up yet but I just know I'm going to find
an
IMM/Andy et al debate going on :-)

Yup, another thread, in fact the entire website, ruined by a puerile
feud and irrelevant pointscoring betweeen a bunch of f***wits. God
alone knows why they don't bar the lot of them, it would benefit the
sitte enormously.

"Aidan" wrote in message
om...
I haven't opened this thread up yet but I just know I'm going to find
an
IMM/Andy et al debate going on :-)

Yup, another thread, in fact the entire website, ruined by a puerile
feud and irrelevant pointscoring betweeen a bunch of f***wits. God
alone knows why they don't bar the lot of them, it would benefit the
sitte enormously.

You are right. I would bar them too.

"G&M" wrote in message
...

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "G&M"
wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Where's DIMM, has he broken his hacksaw blade or what?

Probably runs on Windows 3.1 and still booting up for the month.

You're kidding. On a modern hyper-fast machine that boots up in
seconds.
Only Microsoft could optimise an OS over time for slowing overall
performance.



Come to think of it, who would ever suggest that any version of
Windows is an OS?

True - Windows 3.1 definitely isn't - it sits (****s ?) on top of DOS.

It is a GUI front end, however some functions which an OS did 3.1 did. I
hated it.

Aidan wrote:

Yup, another thread, in fact the entire website, ruined by a puerile
feud and irrelevant pointscoring betweeen a bunch of f***wits. God
alone knows why they don't bar the lot of them, it would benefit the
sitte enormously.


What website, and who would bar whom? And you are calling other people
****wits??


--
Grunff

In article , Grunff
writes

What website, and who would bar whom? And you are calling other people
****wits??

Damn, beat me to it.

--
..sigmonster on vacation

What website, and who would bar whom? And you are calling other people
****wits??

UK-diy, Website, newsgroup, whatever; I don't know and don't care. I
would assume it would be about DIY, but it has been ruined by this
puerile, irrelevant feud.

I'd hope there'd be a Moderator to control the f***wits, but it seems
there isn't. You people need to grow up a little or get a job.

"Aidan" wrote in message
om...
What website, and who would bar whom? And you are calling other people
****wits??

UK-diy, Website, newsgroup, whatever; I don't know and don't care. I
would assume it would be about DIY, but it has been ruined by this
puerile, irrelevant feud.

I'd hope there'd be a Moderator to control the f***wits, but it seems
there isn't. You people need to grow up a little or get a job.

I agree.

On 4 Oct 2004 11:00:33 -0700, (Aidan) wrote:

What website, and who would bar whom? And you are calling other people
****wits??

UK-diy, Website, newsgroup, whatever; I don't know and don't care.

That much is apparent.

I
would assume it would be about DIY, but it has been ruined by this
puerile, irrelevant feud.

I'd hope there'd be a Moderator to control the f***wits, but it seems
there isn't. You people need to grow up a little or get a job.


Was there anything useful that you had to contribute at all??


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

Aidan wrote:

UK-diy, Website, newsgroup, whatever; I don't know and don't care. I
would assume it would be about DIY, but it has been ruined by this
puerile, irrelevant feud.

Well, since you've taken so much time to learn a little about Usenet and
to contribute to the group, I'd say your opinion is definitely worth
paying attention to.


I'd hope there'd be a Moderator to control the f***wits, but it seems
there isn't.

There kind of is, we each have our own.

plonKK


--
Grunff

In article ,
Aidan wrote:
UK-diy, Website, newsgroup, whatever; I don't know and don't care. I
would assume it would be about DIY, but it has been ruined by this
puerile, irrelevant feud.

If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.

I'd hope there'd be a Moderator to control the f***wits, but it seems
there isn't. You people need to grow up a little or get a job.

You'd be cut for a start for being totally OT.

A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.

--
*Would a fly without wings be called a walk?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes


In theory, yes, as they all have to conform to a standard. In practice,
no.
Hepworth say do not interchange as makers tolerances are different.

and had no problems with any of them on either copper or barrier
plastic tube.

It is important to follow the instructions for bending and securing
and also to cut using a proper pipe cutter.

What's special about the pipe cutter?

It gives a clean straight cut very quickly. You can acheive this with
other
tools, but it will take longer.

Hacksaw or angle grinder ?

Whatever you are good at Maxie.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , G&M
writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes


In theory, yes, as they all have to conform to a standard. In
practice,
no.
Hepworth say do not interchange as makers tolerances are different.

and had no problems with any of them on either copper or barrier
plastic tube.

It is important to follow the instructions for bending and
securing
and also to cut using a proper pipe cutter.

What's special about the pipe cutter?

It gives a clean straight cut very quickly. You can acheive this with
other
tools, but it will take longer.

Hacksaw or angle grinder ?

CD laser ?

Excellent cutting tool for DIMM

If you think about it

My God Maxie! What are you getting Dim Lin the far eastern luscious lovely
to do now?

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:

You do have to read and follow the instructions.

Well, you say that...

After that little hacksaw thread I did a fair bit of playing around
with
various pushfit fittings, being of a curious disposition. It's actually
really, *really* hard to get one to leak.

The easiest to damage were CuproFit, where the O ring can be pushed out
if you insert the pipe at a sharpish angle. I failed to make any
speedfit or hep fitting leak while 'making' them, or subsequently by
applying sideways pressure to the pipe. In both JG and Hep fittings it
was the plastic casing that broke first.

A heating engineer I know is working on sites installing Hep2O.

And does this "friend" post in Uk-diy on a regular basis ?

No. Hates uk.d-i-y.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes
What incident was that?

http://tinyurl.com/42ke4


Surely you remember.....

No incident with an hacksaw. the hacksaw worked perfectly.

So the other adage of a poor workman blaming his tools applies then...

You must learn to read properly.

What, ... trivial things like instructions?

Maxie, no tools were blamed at all....

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes


No incident with an hacksaw. the hacksaw worked perfectly.

They normally do, ... when used correctly

Exactly, Maxie.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Dave
writes
I've always used soldered joints but am being tempted by the Tectite
push-fit range for a heating re-furb I'm about to embark on - maybe even
plastic pipe rather than copper! How long have they been around? Any
horror
stories? Are there any other competing ranges I should consider?

IS your name DIMM ?

no?

Should be OK then

Maxie, is Dim Lin, the far eastern luscious lovely, that bad?

In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes
What incident was that?

http://tinyurl.com/42ke4


Surely you remember.....

No incident with an hacksaw. the hacksaw worked perfectly.

So the other adage of a poor workman blaming his tools applies then...

You must learn to read properly.

What, ... trivial things like instructions?

Maxie, no tools were blamed at all....

Au contraire, you came in for a great deal of flak

--
geoff

In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Dave
writes
I've always used soldered joints but am being tempted by the Tectite
push-fit range for a heating re-furb I'm about to embark on - maybe even
plastic pipe rather than copper! How long have they been around? Any
horror
stories? Are there any other competing ranges I should consider?

IS your name DIMM ?

no?

Should be OK then

Maxie, is Dim Lin, the far eastern luscious lovely, that bad?

No idea DIMM Fuk, she's your sister, you should know

--
geoff

If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.
A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.

Why, thank you, kind sir, for your wise and avuncular advice.

I do not want to read the feuds, they are not relevant. I do not want
to know what a killfile is. I did want to know peoples' opinions on
push-fit plumbing; that is why I was reading a thread entitled
'Push-fit Plumbing - any good?'

There were about 66 threads. Were they all about push-fit plumbing?
No. The feud kicked off at about post No.8, and it is still
continuing, something along the lines of;

Nah!

Nah!!

Nah nah na-na-Nahhh!

etc., etc., ad nauseam. The OP has probably long since cleared off.

They have ruined this thread. They are ruining this newsgroup. I do
not want to sift through this garbage to read the occasional posts
which are on topic.

It would only take one of them to have the intelligence to realise
that you win this game by not playing.

Finish it.

In article ,
Aidan wrote:
If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.
A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.

Why, thank you, kind sir, for your wise and avuncular advice.

You're very welcome. It comes from years of experience in reading
newsgroups. Experience can sometimes be useful. And you'll find it's the
way of all newsgroups. They always drift off topic in one way or another.

I do not want to read the feuds, they are not relevant. I do not want
to know what a killfile is.

Then you should. That's what it's there for - to remove people you don't
want to read.

I did want to know peoples' opinions on
push-fit plumbing; that is why I was reading a thread entitled
'Push-fit Plumbing - any good?'

I I I. What about the rights of others? What makes you think what you want
to read is more important than what others want to write?

There were about 66 threads. Were they all about push-fit plumbing?
No. The feud kicked off at about post No.8, and it is still
continuing, something along the lines of;

Nah!

Nah!!

Nah nah na-na-Nahhh!

etc., etc., ad nauseam. The OP has probably long since cleared off.

So what? It's not an individual service for him.

They have ruined this thread. They are ruining this newsgroup. I do
not want to sift through this garbage to read the occasional posts
which are on topic.

This newsgroup appears as healthy as any, judging by the number of posts.

It's not a newspaper you pay for so have some justification in complaining
about. The contributors don't get paid - and you don't pay them for their
help.

--
*Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes
What incident was that?

http://tinyurl.com/42ke4


Surely you remember.....

No incident with an hacksaw. the hacksaw worked perfectly.

So the other adage of a poor workman blaming his tools applies
then...

You must learn to read properly.

What, ... trivial things like instructions?

Maxie, no tools were blamed at all....

Au contraire, you came in for a great deal of flak

Maxie, as I know more about these things than anyone on this ng, no tools
were blamed, only the fitting.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Dave
writes
I've always used soldered joints but am being tempted by the Tectite
push-fit range for a heating re-furb I'm about to embark on - maybe
even
plastic pipe rather than copper! How long have they been around? Any
horror
stories? Are there any other competing ranges I should consider?

IS your name DIMM ?

no?

Should be OK then

Maxie, is Dim Lin, the far eastern luscious lovely, that bad?

No idea DIMM Fuk, she's your sister, you should know

Maxie, you still want be a part of my kith n kin.

In article ,
IMM wrote:
Maxie, as I know more about these things than anyone on this ng, no tools
were blamed, only the fitting.

As I remember it, both the tools and fittings were fine. Which leaves just
one thing at fault...

--
*The severity of the itch is proportional to the reach *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 6 Oct 2004 01:28:13 -0700, (Aidan) wrote:

If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.
A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.

Why, thank you, kind sir, for your wise and avuncular advice.

I do not want to read the feuds, they are not relevant.

That's good because there aren't any feuds.

There are differences of opinion in many directions, which is a
legitimate part of any discussion group.


I do not want
to know what a killfile is.

Then you shouldn't be using Usenet.

It happens to be readable on some web sites, but this is not the
primary method of use.

Usenet is a discussion medium with all that that entails - it is not
intended as a vehicle to provide nicely formatted information on web
sites.

If you are looking for that, then there are plenty of web sites around
with DIY information. You won't read much debate and the quality of
information is variable as a result.

This group also has a FAQ web site and the quality of information
there is high.



I did want to know peoples' opinions on
push-fit plumbing; that is why I was reading a thread entitled
'Push-fit Plumbing - any good?'

There were about 66 threads.

There is one thread and several branches.


Were they all about push-fit plumbing?
No.

If you look at any active Usenet group, you will discover that the
active ones are mixture of predominantly on topic threads, some of
which provoke heated debates on the subject and often lead into
related and sometimes unrelated material, generally among regular
contributors.

The signal to noise ratio on UK.D-I-Y is actually pretty good in
comparison to some others.

There are also moderated groups on Usenet, where some control is made
over posting. Generally they are very dull and there is little
traffic. As a result, many tend to be short lived.

Periodically, there have been suggestions of making UK.D-I-Y a
moderated group. There has never been any substantive support for
doing so.

If you feel aggrieved, by all means go and enter a request to start a
moderated version of the group. I expect that you would find it
fairly lonely.

Alternatively, create a Yahoo email group or something.


They have ruined this thread. They are ruining this newsgroup. I do
not want to sift through this garbage to read the occasional posts
which are on topic.

Actually the vast majority of posts are on topic.

If you don't want to read contributions from a particular person you
don't have to do so. This is what a killfile is for.
Most newsreader software has the ability to ignore threads as well if
you don't want to read them.

Don't complain though, if you don't use the tools intended for the
medium. Web access to Usenet is not the intended tool. Sorry.



It would only take one of them to have the intelligence to realise
that you win this game by not playing.

There isn't a game to play or to win. Simply debates around various
topics.



Finish it.

Did you have anything to contribute on the subject of DIY at all?




..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

Aidan wrote:

If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.
A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.


Why, thank you, kind sir, for your wise and avuncular advice.

I do not want to read the feuds, they are not relevant. I do not want
to know what a killfile is. I did want to know peoples' opinions on
push-fit plumbing; that is why I was reading a thread entitled
'Push-fit Plumbing - any good?'

There were about 66 threads. Were they all about push-fit plumbing?
No. The feud kicked off at about post No.8, and it is still
continuing, something along the lines of;

Nah!

Nah!!

Nah nah na-na-Nahhh!


What do you expect?.

Pay peanuts, and get IMM.

Just how much DID you pay to join this group anyway?

In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM
writes
What incident was that?

http://tinyurl.com/42ke4


Surely you remember.....

No incident with an hacksaw. the hacksaw worked perfectly.

So the other adage of a poor workman blaming his tools applies
then...

You must learn to read properly.

What, ... trivial things like instructions?

Maxie, no tools were blamed at all....

Au contraire, you came in for a great deal of flak

Maxie, as I know more about these things than anyone on this ng, no tools
were blamed, only the fitting.

DIM, you are the tool who did the "fitting"

--
geoff

In message , Aidan
writes
If you take the trouble to read the 'feuds', plenty of good information
comes out of them.
A word of advice. Learn how to use a killfile.

Why, thank you, kind sir, for your wise and avuncular advice.

I do not want to read the feuds, they are not relevant. I do not want
to know what a killfile is. I did want to know peoples' opinions on
push-fit plumbing; that is why I was reading a thread entitled
'Push-fit Plumbing - any good?'

There were about 66 threads. Were they all about push-fit plumbing?
No. The feud kicked off at about post No.8, and it is still
continuing,

As sometimes happens, learn to live with it or take your leave

We're not all here just for your benefit, why not go and start your own
NG and stop wingeing

--
geoff