"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
et...
I'm going for the mo'. I've such fun with you trolls today. Back
later.

Ah, he wants to log off to get a new IP address so he can post from Mr
News.

Christian.



Or he doesn't want daddy to catch him using his pc:-)
mouse

Time IP address
20:24 217.134.31.152
20:25 217.134.31.152
20:31 217.134.31.152
21:00 217.134.31.152

and IMM posted thus:

Time IP address
20:33 217.134.31.152
20:55 217.134.31.152
21:59 217.134.31.152

LMAO!

Not that we needed more evidence, of course...

Christian.

Tim Downie wrote:

Parish wrote:

Right click on a message, Properties, Details tab shows the headers.
If
you then click the Message Source button it shows the whole raw
message, headers 'n' all in a Notepad type window.

Or easier still, open the message and hit CTRL + F3


Thanks for the tip.

Do you know how to do it in Outlook? I know that right-click on a header
and Options... displays the headers, but I can't find a way to display
the raw message source.

Regards,

Parish

HTH

Tim

In article ,
says...
Apparently on date Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:30:29 -0000, Pete Smith
said:

In article ,
says...
In article , News
writes

Do you know my neighbour?

No, but I know who you are. You're the trolling ****wit who posts as
"IMM" in uk.d-i-y. Apart from having an identical posting style,
displaying a complete lack of clue, showing a breathtaking level of
arrogance, etc., you're both posting from the same computer:


How did you manage to track this down?

I didn't think google was too hot on searching headers of news postings.

Google isn't important.

If you are using standard mail readers, the information is just in the headers
for all to see. If you use something like Outlook Express, it doesn't cover
this stuff so you can't see it.

I'm on Agent, and you can download that for free from www.forteinc.com if you
want to see how it all works. In Agent, to track down the information, you just
press the "h" key to turn the headers on and off. It's probably similar in many
other news readers.

The (common) headers in the CrapaClean poster's posts, look like this:


Slight bit of confusion here I think.

What I was wanting to do, was do a google search across all groups for the
NNTP posting host that Crapaclean was using, eg NNTP-Posting-Host:
217.134.67.161.

I'd then to a time comparison on all these articles for any group where
Cataclean isn't being used, so I could actually find out more about the
person.

Basically, I think Mike managed to do this, simply because he subscribes to
two groups where Crapaclean posts to, recognised the styles, and did a
manual check, and it showed that the same host posted messages within
minutes of each other.

FWIW, I'm using Gravity, and I can show the headers purely by pressing H.

IMO, it would be really handy if Google allowed you to do a complete search
of the headers. We could then do checks like this, eg

Search all articles for: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.67.161 sorted by date.
We could then see what other groups he posts to. Given he/she/it uses about
4 aliases, I'm pretty sure there will be more.

_Or_ if net.loons used a fixed IP, so that rather than having a dynamic IP
which resolves to an "anonymous" Freeserve/PlanetOnline dialup address, so
we could actually track them down. This is why I could never convincingly
troll, because my IP is fixed, and resolves to a meaningful address, which
you could use to track me, almost down to a postal address. If I wanted to
troll, I'd have to use dialup networking, and a range of newsreaders, to
throw the trackers off the scent.

Pete.

--
NOTE! Email address is spamtrapped. Any email will be bounced to you
Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail

where's the d-i-y in _that_ ???

I did rewire the socket and consumer unit the router plugs in to.

Christian,

P.S. I'd be very happy to have a Linux server back again, if I could cobble
together a solid state machine for a reasonable cost. Now that DRAM is so
cheap, I wonder if I could piece together a machine that just creates a huge
ram disk and shuts down the HDD...

Pete Smith ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Search all articles for: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.134.67.161 sorted by
date. We could then see what other groups he posts to. Given he/she/it
uses about 4 aliases, I'm pretty sure there will be more.

No point. As you mentioned earlier, that IP is part of a dialup pool
belonging to Energis.

It's purely circumstantial evidence pointing to IMM and wonky********
being the same guy - the same IP, within a few minutes of each other, and
similar styles. There's nothing to say that one "real person" didn't hang
up just before the other dialled in, and the IP was recycled. I have no
idea how long a lease Energis give to their dial-up IPs. Probably not
very.

Now, if there was proof of them having the same IP as each other on other
occasions, or the two identities overlapping in one session...?

But can we be arsed, since we know they are one and the same.

_Or_ if net.loons used a fixed IP, so that rather than having a
dynamic IP which resolves to an "anonymous" Freeserve/PlanetOnline
dialup address, so we could actually track them down.

Y'never know.... If we ask nicely, they may even use their real names?

This is why I could never convincingly troll

Erm, no. You could never convincingly troll because you have two
braincells to rub together....

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:13:23 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

where's the d-i-y in _that_ ???

I did rewire the socket and consumer unit the router plugs in to.

Christian,

P.S. I'd be very happy to have a Linux server back again, if I could cobble
together a solid state machine for a reasonable cost. Now that DRAM is so
cheap, I wonder if I could piece together a machine that just creates a huge
ram disk and shuts down the HDD...


Yes you could.

There are also IDE interface compatible flash disks which are enough
to store a small distribution able to behave as a firewall.

In principle, you boot from this and use DRAM based filesystems to
keep regularly run executables and regularly used data. You can then
log back to flash based disk.


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:06:44 UTC, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

: In article , News
: writes
:
: Do you know my neighbour?
:
: No, but I know who you are. You're the trolling ****wit who posts as
: "IMM" in uk.d-i-y.

What, the chap who's always going on about how wonderful magnetic
water softeners (sic) are?

Figures.

Ian

Apparently on date 16 Mar 2004 17:25:17 GMT, Adrian
said:

Pete Smith ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

This is why I could never convincingly troll

Erm, no. You could never convincingly troll because you have two
braincells to rub together....

Point of order! Trolling, although a bit reprehensible, isn't necessarily easy.
There are some extremely clever troll posts from time to time.

The *art* of a good troll, is to start the thread and then not participate. The
longer and more extensive the thread becomes, the better the troll was. There
are no points at all for troll threads where the troll expends as much time on
the thread as anyone else, that counts as a dismally poor quality troll.

Now, if there was proof of them having the same IP as each other on other
occasions, or the two identities overlapping in one session...?

Indeed, the sequence posted elsewhere in this thread has the IP address
returned to the original poster within minutes. (See Message-ID:
below).

This has also happened at least twice. A quick back of the envelope
calculation shows the chances are not a million miles from a trillion to one
that the same ISP connection wasn't used to send messages from both posters.

Christian.

There are also IDE interface compatible flash disks which are enough
to store a small distribution able to behave as a firewall.

Last time I looked, flash disks were expensive. I would want to do this with
parts I could find lying around for free. The main problem is losing
outgoing/incoming mail when there is a power cut. The flash disk would be
ideal, just too expensive. (i.e. more than a fiver).

Christian.

I've read all of the above crap but I'm buggered if I understand any of it.
Ignorance is bliss

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:37:38 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

There are also IDE interface compatible flash disks which are enough
to store a small distribution able to behave as a firewall.

Last time I looked, flash disks were expensive. I would want to do this with
parts I could find lying around for free. The main problem is losing
outgoing/incoming mail when there is a power cut. The flash disk would be
ideal, just too expensive. (i.e. more than a fiver).

Christian.

Ah well....


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

Jim wrote:
|| I've read all of the above crap but I'm buggered if I understand any
|| of it. Ignorance is bliss

That's why so many Computers are being hacked through "Ignorance"

Test your open ports don't forget a Dynamic IP gets passed to the next poor
sod after you have finished with it.
http://grc.com/zonealarm.htm

--
Grouch

What lives at the bottom of the canal and can reach a speed of 100
Miles an Hour. "A motorPike and sideCarp".

In the vast majority of the Internet, dynamic IPs are used, as there is
simply not enough IP adresses to around. Nothing like a smart arse is
thee.

How come mine is static then as are all Metronets ?

Dave
--
And you were born knowing all about ms windows....??

In article , IMM
writes

I'm going for the mo'. I've such fun with you trolls today. Back later.

I think you misspelt "I know when I'm beaten, and I'm going to **** off
with my tail between my legs."

--
A. Top posters.
Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:01:47 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

No ISP allocates one IP address to one individual user, unless it is a large
user. IP addresses are scarce, very scare. One of the big problems of TC/IP
is that the addressing stinks, although this is being worked on.

You get better and better. We've not seen this level of idio^h^h^h^h
entertainment in these parts for a while...

If IP (v4 even) addresses are so scarce, then the 8 I got for nowt, which
could have been as many as I could justify, must be worth a fortune, right?
Hmm, thinks, Ebay auction coming right up !!

--
It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.

Mail john rather than nospam...

In article , Christian
McArdle writes

P.S. I'd be very happy to have a Linux server back again, if I could cobble
together a solid state machine for a reasonable cost.

Compact Flash in an IDE-to-CF adapter. We use them.

--
A. Top posters.
Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

"Parish" wrote in message
...
.....it shows the whole raw message,
as does cntrl F3

"Parish" wrote in message
...
Or easier still, open the message and hit CTRL + F3
Sorry Parish, you beat me 2 it

chuffed_2_bits wrote:

"Parish" wrote in message
...
Or easier still, open the message and hit CTRL + F3
Sorry Parish, you beat me 2 it

It was Tim who posted that, replying me, but thanks anyway.

Parish

In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes
In article , dave @ stejonda
writes

Mike is using the Very Excellent (TM) Turnpike news-reader (though
inexplicably an old version)

I hated v6 on sight, I'm afraid, so stuck with v5.01.

Me too. I installed V6 twice and put 5.01 back on within a few days but
5.01 was conflicting with my graphics card so I tried v6 again and
eventually I got to like it. I wouldn't go back to 5.01 now.

--
Paul Giverin

British Jet Engine Website http://www.britjet.co.uk

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:04:33 UTC, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

I've never really understood why it's more dangerous; at any given time,
there will be some IP address assiciated with a site.

Basically, it won't affect random attacks, but makes targeted attacks much
more difficult, as your IP address changes all the time, preventing
disgruntled usenet users finding your fixed IP address from a message and
launching a DoS or more sophisticated hacking attack.

Oh, I agree. However, it lays you open to being the target of an attack
from a user who was disgruntled with the last person to have your IP
address....swings and roundabouts!

--
Bob Eager
begin by not using Outlook Express...

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:01:54 UTC, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

My solution there is to run my own!

I used to run my own too, along with a decent qmail implementation that sent
mail direct to recipient, rather than via the ISP's overloaded servers.
Unfortunately, I can't do that any more, as my venerable Linux box was
replaced by a solid state router without these options.

I run DNS on two different internal machines - the house server and a
backup machines. Neither is the router or the firewall...!

--
Bob Eager
begin by not using Outlook Express...

In message , IMM
writes

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

No ISP allocates one IP address to one individual user, unless it is a
large
user.

Wrong. Look at Demon user IP allocations. If you know how to, that is.

Wrong.


I think the IMM-borg reality module has failed completely now.....

How many people have to tell you? Demon have static IP address on
dial-up accounts. I was 158.152.217.163 for years on Demon.

Most broadband accounts are static. This one is, even though set to
obtain the address from the server, I always get the same address. Its
mine. Its static.

--
Steve

Andy Hall wrote in message news:
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:53:00 -0000, "IMM" wrote:
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
In article , News writes


you're both posting from the same computer:

Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic and that of the
local ISP, not individual machines. So many people could have the same IP
address at many times. Duh!

Not actually true.

ISPs with dial up users will typically, but not necessarily have a
dynamic address pool for those users. They may also assign dynamic
addresses for the cheaper DSL packages.

I can appreciate that that is possibly what you have.

The more expensive "broadband" packages allocate the customer one
static IP address and may on request provide a larger block if needed.


Dialuppers routinely get dynamic IPs, and a significant percentage of
broadbanders do as well, contrary to popular opinion. Some broadbands
cut the user off for a few minutes at whatever a.m. each day, and they
come back on with often another IP address. Bear in mind what passes
for broadband now is sometimes just shared 150k, and not necessarily
always on.

The version of IE mentioned, I dont know the numbers, but it may well
be a very widespread one, such as bundled with a version of Windows.

In short, there's no proof that the post was IMM's. Just a
probability.


Regards, NT

"John Laird" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:01:47 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

No ISP allocates one IP address to one individual user, unless it is a
large
user. IP addresses are scarce, very scare. One of the big problems of
TC/IP
is that the addressing stinks, although this is being worked on.

You get better and better. We've not seen this level of idio^h^h^h^h
entertainment in these parts for a while...

If IP (v4 even) addresses are so scarce, then the 8 I got for nowt, which
could have been as many as I could justify, must be worth a fortune,
right?
Hmm, thinks, Ebay auction coming right up !!

The addressing is crap. FULL STOP. v 6 is just another fire fight to keep
the shambles afloat.

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:57:56 +0000, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

I think you misspelt "I know when I'm beaten, and I'm going to **** off
with my tail between my legs."

We are talking about IMM here aren't we? In which case I can't imagine
a scenario where he would think he's beaten - trolls don't work like
that!

PoP

---
If you need to contact me please submit your comments
via the web form at http://www.anyoldtripe.co.uk. I'll
probably still ignore you but at least I'll get the
message.....

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...
In article , IMM
writes

I'm going for the mo'. I've such fun with you trolls today. Back later.

I think you misspelt "I know when I'm beaten, and I'm going to **** off
with my tail between my legs."

I love you trolls. Now run along to the car, caravan & Yorkshire groups
please.

On 16 Mar 2004 13:14:35 -0800, (N. Thornton) wrote:

Andy Hall wrote in message news:
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:53:00 -0000, "IMM" wrote:
"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
In article , News writes


you're both posting from the same computer:

Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic and that of the
local ISP, not individual machines. So many people could have the same IP
address at many times. Duh!

Not actually true.

ISPs with dial up users will typically, but not necessarily have a
dynamic address pool for those users. They may also assign dynamic
addresses for the cheaper DSL packages.

I can appreciate that that is possibly what you have.

The more expensive "broadband" packages allocate the customer one
static IP address and may on request provide a larger block if needed.


Dialuppers routinely get dynamic IPs, and a significant percentage of
broadbanders do as well, contrary to popular opinion.

It's not really an issue of opinion, but one of what is in the
agreement between the customer and the ISP.

If the agreement indicates that the address given is static, then it
is associated with that customer, whether the connectivity is dialup
or "broadband".



Some broadbands
cut the user off for a few minutes at whatever a.m. each day, and they
come back on with often another IP address. Bear in mind what passes
for broadband now is sometimes just shared 150k, and not necessarily
always on.

Few of the services currently being marketed as "broadband" really are
broadband in the true sense of the word.



The version of IE mentioned, I dont know the numbers, but it may well
be a very widespread one, such as bundled with a version of Windows.

In short, there's no proof that the post was IMM's. Just a
probability.

Mmmm....


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:23:40 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"John Laird" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:01:47 -0000, "IMM" wrote:

No ISP allocates one IP address to one individual user, unless it is a
large
user. IP addresses are scarce, very scare. One of the big problems of
TC/IP
is that the addressing stinks, although this is being worked on.

You get better and better. We've not seen this level of idio^h^h^h^h
entertainment in these parts for a while...

If IP (v4 even) addresses are so scarce, then the 8 I got for nowt, which
could have been as many as I could justify, must be worth a fortune,
right?
Hmm, thinks, Ebay auction coming right up !!

The addressing is crap. FULL STOP. v 6 is just another fire fight to keep
the shambles afloat.

Presumably your alternative would be X.121?


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:06:33 +0000, Steven Briggs wrote:

Most broadband accounts are static. This one is, even though set to
obtain the address from the server, I always get the same address.
Its mine. Its static.

I should imagine, more correctly, it is dynamic but with long lease,
refresh and release times, so it appears static unless you disconnect
for a long time.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

IMM wrote:

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
...

In article , News
writes


Do you know my neighbour?

No, but I know who you are. You're the trolling ****wit who posts as
"IMM" in uk.d-i-y.
you're both posting from the same computer:


Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic and that of the
local ISP, not individual machines. So many people could have the same IP
address at many times. Duh!


Not within a few minutes, and with the commonality of posting styles...



Now there's a nice boy, now f**k off back to the car and Yorkshire news
groups, and stop bothering us.


Now how did you know where he came fromn?

Christian McArdle wrote:

Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic

Yours may be. Not all IP addresses are dynamic, and to imply that it is
so shows your ignorance.


Looking at his postings, he has a dynamic address (supplied by a
Energis/PlanetOnline pop) that changes frequently. However, postings at
similar times have identical IP addresses caused by the fact that the modem
doesn't change IP address when still connected.



Blimey. He is still using a modem?

I assumed that he had more than a home connection.

Perhaps he doesn't even have a job?


Christian.

Neil Jones wrote:

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
et...

Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic

Yours may be. Not all IP addresses are dynamic, and to imply that it

is

so shows your ignorance.

Looking at his postings, he has a dynamic address (supplied by a
Energis/PlanetOnline pop) that changes frequently. However, postings

at

similar times have identical IP addresses caused by the fact that the

modem

doesn't change IP address when still connected.

Christian.



Not to mention identical time offset between the poster's PC and the
ISP's server (1 min 38 sec)




Deeply conicidental.

IMM wrote:

"Neil Jones" wrote in message
...

"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
.net...

Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic

Yours may be. Not all IP addresses are dynamic, and to imply that it

is

so shows your ignorance.

Looking at his postings, he has a dynamic address (supplied by a
Energis/PlanetOnline pop) that changes frequently. However, postings

at

similar times have identical IP addresses caused by the fact that the

modem

doesn't change IP address when still connected.

Christian.



Not to mention identical time offset between the poster's PC and the
ISP's server (1 min 38 sec)


Another one who knows little of computers.



Or perhaps somewhat more than you.

mouse wrote:

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"mouse" mouse @nospam .net wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"mouse" mouse @nospam .net wrote in message
...


Nothing like a smart arse is thee.

No, and you appear to be a first class one

Smart, yes. Arse, no. What mouse hole have you crawled out of?


Been done to death before by ex trolls, try and come up with something
original!!!

You are a troll that is clear, so **** off back to the Yorkshire group.



You really are a sad little troll. I'm not from Yorkshire, (so you can use
the ripe data base,well done.) where I come from we eat trolls for
breakfast, you wont be the first or the last troll I have had kicked off his
ISP. This mouse bites so beware.
Mouse




Oh, don't kick him off. The best thing about our friend, is no matter
how dark and desperate you feel, you can read one of his posts and
realise that come what may, there is someone deeper in doghsite than you
have ever been.

Its a sort of public service really. Like the royal family, part of the
establishment. Always there to remind you 'there but for the grace of
god, go I'

IMM wrote:

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...


Your ignorance of computing abounds. IP address are dynamic and that of

the

local ISP, not individual machines. So many people could have the same IP
address at many times. Duh!


Not actually true.

ISPs with dial up users will typically, but not necessarily have a
dynamic address pool for those users. They may also assign dynamic
addresses for the cheaper DSL packages.

I can appreciate that that is possibly what you have.

The more expensive "broadband" packages allocate the customer one
static IP address and may on request provide a larger block if needed.


No ISP allocates one IP address to one individual user, unless it is a large
user. IP addresses are scarce, very scare. One of the big problems of TC/IP
is that the addressing stinks, although this is being worked on.



Shows how little you know. I used to have about 2000 addresses and no
users on em at all.

(hint: Servers)

Grouch wrote:

IMM wrote:
|| "Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
|| ...
||
|| Go back to that Yorkshire new group and stop trolling here. You
|| people are a total nuisance.


Are you with Energis UK.?
--


No, he's with the woolwich.

Huge wrote:


What happens if (when) someone sets up a spoof DHCP server and starts monkeying
with your corporate network?

See http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/1996/Nov/0122.html



Not half as bad as when they rig up an auto answer modem and RAS behind
your firewall on a DDI number so they can grab their work files from
home...off the main servers...