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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:49:30 +0100, Richard
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Perhaps you could stop with the sermons here


Sermons to you are advocacy / passion to protect innocent and sentient
creatures to others.

and do something positive
to stop the cruelty.


I am doing *WAY* more then you could ever do by signing petitions ...
I'm not supporting the process in the first place!

See, it's easy. If everyone stopped paying to have all these animals
killed and exploited, they would stop killing and exploiting them. It
*really* couldn't be any simpler could it (even for you)!

https://ibb.co/XxFLT2y

I am against the export of live animals.


Why is that then. Do they not still die at the end of their trip
*anyway*? Surely a couple of days of discomfort is nothing compared
with only living a fraction of your natural life? Now, when you show
me livestock willingly bolt gunning itself in the head or walking into
a gas chamber then cutting it's own throat as opposed to desperately
trying to avoid when it knows is likely to not be what it wants for
itself, then I would agree with your virtue signaling.

They
should be slaughtered in the countries where they are bred and exported
as a foodstuff.


Nope, see, again you are fighting the wrong cause. They shouldn't be
slaughtered at all and the chances are the vast majority wouldn't be
if the people wanting to consume their flesh had to do it themselves.

Doesn't that tell you anything about just how unnatural (in most of
the civilised population in 2021) and barbaric it is, if most people
couldn't do it and certainly would let their kids even see it?

And talking of that, look how early the indoctrination starts:

https://ibb.co/wcMQjvn

"Cows produce milk for their calves (and people) to drink."

No they ****ing don't. Cows don't and never have produced milk 'for
people to drink'. They have only ever produced milk for their calves
to drink and we steal it off them, often killing the calf to do so!

Does that not sound sick to you?

Can you not see how logically inconsistent it all is?

https://ibb.co/NNXLFmx

Hopefully you are grown up enough to understand that.


Oh the irony.

https://ibb.co/tm1WzCR ;-)

No, the bottom line is 'most people' prefer to bury their heads and
morals in the sand and carry on doing what they were brought up to do
and accept as 'normal' because they are normalised to the idea and
addicted to the taste (dopamine). Because of the (apparent) social
acceptance, normalisation, commercialisation and marketing we continue
to 'go along with it' but if they dared to look just a little closer,
most people would question it all (especially if forced to do it
themselves).

So the truth is most people are sufficiently abstract from it all to
allow the cognitive dissonance, the logical inconsistency and the
physic numbing to override their morals, meaning that ITRW, people
don't really like and respect animals, they love their pets and some
'special cause' (often a man made issue) wildlife ... or abused
donkeys but really prefer not to confront what would be real internal
conflicts if they were only to open their eyes and minds.

Cheers, T i m

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On 12/06/2021 09:06, T i m wrote:

I am doing *WAY* more then you could ever do by signing petitions ...
I'm not supporting the process in the first place!


See, it's easy. If everyone stopped paying to have all these animals
killed and exploited, they would stop killing and exploiting them. It
*really* couldn't be any simpler could it (even for you)!


Sounds like dog-in-a-manger.

You had the benefit of 60 years as a meat-eater, and now you want to
remove everybody's freedom of choice on the matter by forcing us all to
go 'vegan'. However, medical science is moving towards the state where a
vegan diet can be seen to be positively dangerous.

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On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:

snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied

Here,
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/193...ve-export-ban/


I tried.
You are completely irrational.
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On 11/06/2021 16:26, T i m wrote:

Nothing wrong with an 'Oh yes, I think you mentioned that before' to
save you both time (and to show you were listening and remember from
the first time). ;-)

Yeah,
What about when you say "have I already told you..." and they say not,
but you're almost certain you have, hence they probably don't listen to you.

And my missus often tells me things that i've told her.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 12:03:38 +0100, R D S wrote:

On 11/06/2021 16:26, T i m wrote:

Nothing wrong with an 'Oh yes, I think you mentioned that before' to
save you both time (and to show you were listening and remember from
the first time). ;-)

Yeah,
What about when you say "have I already told you..." and they say not,
but you're almost certain you have, hence they probably don't listen to you.


Or they may go though the motions of listening but can't take it in
(any more)? ;-(

Or they read something but can't seem to translate that into an action
themselves?

I had a mate read the instructions for how to set up his video / TV to
me over the phone and I repeated it back to him (sight unseen) and he
did it (after not being able to for 'hours' apparently)?

And my missus often tells me things that i've told her.


And I used to mentioned that I have told mine (everyday, non
technical) things previously but that doesn't help her because she
(obviously) can't remember me so doing. ;-(

She just read out a text that she had been sent but whilst he narrated
the words, the detail of the meaning didn't seem to have been
acknowledged by her. ;-(

We (well I) have been watering in a couple of newly planted memorial
trees on behalf of a neighbours family because we can go past there
(when walking for ourselves and with the dog) and they all live miles
away.

The text read something along the lines of 'I've just put 20l of water
around the trees' (letting us know he's done it this time, it would
have been her birthday or summat).

I said 'Ah, he's not applied it though the watering tubes then ...'
and the content of that statement seemed lost, given she's stood there
and watched me empty several watering cans worth of water down the
watering tubes. She even repeated what bits of it he had texted her
and she had taken in ... 'watered trees'.

So yes, apart from not listening, people can listen (even proactively)
but not actually hear / understand / remember.

Trying to relay the instruction 'Turn the knob up' is only any value
if someone knows the difference between a knob, button and switch,
even when there is only one 'knob' on there and what way 'up' might be
(apparently). ;-)

Cheers, T i m


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On 11/06/2021 14:29, williamwright wrote:
I keep seeing irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic of
the elderly. I hope I don't ever get like that.

Bill


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On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:49:30 +0100, Richard
wrote:

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Perhaps you could stop with the sermons here


Sermons to you are advocacy / passion to protect innocent and sentient
creatures to others.

and do something positive
to stop the cruelty.




Hopefully you are grown up enough to understand that.



snip even more emotive nonsense.

D i m wants to live in world where huge numbers of animal
species would become extinct, because unless there is a reason
for them to exist, no-one is going to waste money keeping them,
apart from hobby farmers with huge primary assets and incomes.
Few if any of the animals will be bred because at some point
there will be too many. Just like the nonsense of 'rewilding'
parts of the country because unless you reintroduce wolves and
bears? too, there will be no natural predators for wild deer and
boar, who then multiply and end up causing a nuisance or simply
dying from starvation because there are too many of them.
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On 11/06/2021 14:55, R D S wrote:
On 11/06/2021 14:29, williamwright wrote:
I keep seeing irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic
of the elderly.


What's an example?


That clown, who with his degree in agriculture, thinks
he is an expert on 'global warming'
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On 11/06/2021 15:48, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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williamwright wrote:
I keep seeing irrational attitudes displayed that are characteristic of
the elderly. I hope I don't ever get like that.


Like always carrying your mobile phone at home in case you have a 'turn'?
;-)


Or carrying a mobile phone *and* a spare battery in the other pocket.
Must be a really old phone if it takes a spare battery ?
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 11:59:35 +0100, Richard
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On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:

snip the garbage you posted and retain the link I supplied


Ah, back to you own pro-animal-cruelty justification / agenda.

Here,
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/193...ve-export-ban/


And there is *still* no point me reading it.


I tried.


No you didn't, you admitted you ignored everything I said because you
want to continue causing innocent animals pain, suffering,
exploitation and death.

You are completely irrational.


Oh the irony.

You play your virtual signaling by feigning interest in animal welfare
whilst continuing to cause animal welfare issues in the first place
because you like the taste of *their* (*their* notice, it's not
*yours*) flesh and excretions?

I (nor the millions of others round the world who *really* care about
animals (and not just pets and those we don't want to eat or exploit))
show our genuine interest in animal welfare by not exploiting or
killing them. QED.

This is just how 'rational' you are being ...

https://ibb.co/y8nVzK9

Cheers, T i m



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