I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

GB wrote

I bake most of the bread we eat,

I bake all I eat.

and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing!

I couldnt care less if its vegan or not or how badly
the wheat etc was tortured getting the grains off the
plants with some ****ing great machine costing a
decent chunk of a megabuck and moved in ****ing great
polluting trucks from where its grown to where I bake it.

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

I'd tell them to like it or lump it or bring their own.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread


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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
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MID:

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour
their dietary obsessions?

Bill

On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour
their dietary obsessions?



The guests are only allowed into the garden under current covid rules.

They me be allowed into the house to use the toilet but how do they know
if the toilet paper or soap is vegan?


--
Adam

On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour
their dietary obsessions?



Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's
doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam.


--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 06/05/2021 20:49, Robin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind
humour their dietary obsessions?



Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's
doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam.



Swordfish steak tonight for tea.

--
Adam

On 06/05/2021 21:02, ARW wrote:
On 06/05/2021 20:49, Robin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind
humour their dietary obsessions?



Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's
doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam.



Swordfish steak tonight for tea.


lovely jubbly

but after the zebra et al I can't help but wonder if you've been working
at a zoo lately

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 06/05/2021 21:17, Robin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 21:02, ARW wrote:
On 06/05/2021 20:49, Robin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the
poorly glazed bread.

Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind
humour their dietary obsessions?



Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's
doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam.



Swordfish steak tonight for tea.


lovely jubbly

but after the zebra et al I can't help but wonder if you've been working
at a zoo lately


I am working in an old folks home tomorrow....

--
Adam

On Thu, 6 May 2021 19:46:11 +0100, williamwright
wrote:


On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour
their dietary obsessions?

Bill

Don't apologise - ask them how to glaze it acceptably.
--
Dave W

GB wrote:

I haven't found a decent substitute for egg

Not tried it, but I've seen something called "Oggs" on the supermarket
shelf?

https://www.loveoggs.com/product-oggs-aquafaba-egg-alternative/

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

There are many alternatives that are alternatives to egg wash but don't
give a glaze finish.

I have read that brushing oil after baking is a way of getting a glaze
effect.

Do let us know how you get on.

On Thu, 6 May 2021 19:03:13 +0100, GB
wrote:

I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan.

So do I (but only from kits). ;-)

But, for one
thing!

Ok ...

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

Oh.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

No, sorry mate I can't (well not from personal experience) but there
do seem to be various solutions (one you have tried).

The loaves I bake are just a wholegrain and seem to 'brown up'
perfectly well on their own. ;-)

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are
accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or
what about asking them?

I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan
range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you).

Cheers, T i m

On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote:

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are
accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or
what about asking them?


The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the
vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are
disappointed by it.


I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan
range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you).

Thanks. That would be appreciated.





Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 7 May 2021 01:30:55 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote:

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are
accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or
what about asking them?


The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the
vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are
disappointed by it.

See, and they say vegans are 'fussy'! (Well, yes we are, we 'prefer'
our food didn't come with others suffering pain, suffering and death).

I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan
range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you).

Thanks. That would be appreciated.

He replied with something about 'orange' but I'm not sure he
understood the question so I've re-stated it in my reply (we are going
to try some of his sourdough bread and I think he though we wanted it
(vegan) glazed).


OOI, what is the main purpose of the glaze for you as it seems it can
change the flavour and so there are some for sweet and some for
savoury? If it's just the colour, wouldn't that only really be visible
when the loaf is sitting there whole, rather than cut up in slices?

I guess it might be more relevant if you were making rolls etc?

Cheers, T i m

On 07/05/2021 10:44, T i m wrote:

I guess it might be more relevant if you were making rolls etc?

That's indeed what I am making. I'll try to post a picture later.



Cheers, T i m

https://imgur.com/hhkmIVX

It has to be 100% vegan or timmy will burst a blood vessel, stupid.

GB wrote

https://imgur.com/hhkmIVX

On 07/05/2021 10:44, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 01:30:55 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote:

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.

Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are
accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or
what about asking them?


The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the
vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are
disappointed by it.

See, and they say vegans are 'fussy'! (Well, yes we are, we 'prefer'
our food didn't come with others suffering pain, suffering and death).

Death is a certainty, pain and suffering are optional. Shame you don't
care about animal welfare while the animal is alive.

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


milk works if they are not agin it

I guess you need a protein? Lentils boiled to destruction?

--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."

ۥ Confucius

On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for
one thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.


I guess you need a protein? Lentils boiled to destruction?

On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote:
milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.

Bill

On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote:
On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote:
milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.

Bill

There is a range of vegan milk options available:

Soya milk
Oat milk
coconut milk
Peanut milk
cashew milk
Almond milk
Pistachio milk

(from
https://www.independent.co.uk/extras...-a8485246.html)

P.S.

There is a vegan cheese shop in london:

https://secretldn.com/la-fauxmagerie-cheesemonger/

https://shop.lafauxmagerie.com/

Apparently you can have cheeses through the post if London is too far
away for you to travel.

and while on the subject of baking glazes:

http://www.veganbaking.net/recipes/c...gs/sugar-glaze

And believe it or not, there is a vegan substitute for egg:

https://followyourheart.com/products/veganegg/

On Fri, 7 May 2021 08:51:42 +0100, SH wrote:

On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote:
On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote:
milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.

Bill

There is a range of vegan milk options available:

Soya milk
Oat milk
coconut milk
Peanut milk
cashew milk
Almond milk
Pistachio milk

They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk
options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a
different species in the first place!

Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been
subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able
to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been.

Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to
survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a
vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the
population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than
pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe
we weren't ever meant to drink it.

Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to
(because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping
smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without
being sick.

Cheers, T i m

"SH" wrote in message
...
On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote:
On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote:
milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.

Bill

There is a range of vegan milk options available:

Soya milk
Oat milk
coconut milk
Peanut milk
cashew milk
Almond milk
Pistachio milk

that's well known

ITYF that the point that the OP is making is that these alternatives don't
adequately substitute when used as a glaze for baking

On Fri, 7 May 2021 06:30:17 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for
one thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Unfortunately this is the sort of thing we (vegans) get all the time,
people arguing against 'it' when they really don't understand what
'it' is. It is very very simple:

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is
possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty
to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

What they (and the vegetarians) don't get is the cruelty involved in
the industrial production of milk and eggs, they think something has
to die to have suffered.

They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a
cow kills it.' but even as a wind-up it's both ignorant and childish
because 'of course' vegans know that the only way you can get milk is
to get a cow pregnant (typically artificially), let it give birth then
deny that calf the milk by killing it, either then (specifically if
it's a male as they are 'no use' for milk production), or after a few
months (after containing it in a small pen (rose veal)) or subjecting
it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till
it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life.

http://www.skoolofvegan.com/if-we-do...yll-burst.html

So why anyone would consume the growth fluid of a different species,
especially after they have weaned is simply because that's how they
were conditioned from a child and now can't actually see it for the
bizarre process it is.

https://ibb.co/VDR6Mny

They consider 'milk' a thing, a commodity and that we are supposed to
have, when it's just the opposite and always has been.

Cheers, T i m

On 07/05/2021 11:22, T i m wrote:
They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a
cow kills it.'

No it's true. It happened to a cow in our village. Something to do with
the earth connection coming off the milking machine I believe.

Bill

On 07/05/2021 11:22, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 06:30:17 +0100, Richard
wrote:

On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for
one thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


milk works if they are not agin it

You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this.

Unfortunately this is the sort of thing we (vegans) get all the time,
people arguing against 'it' when they really don't understand what
'it' is. It is very very simple:

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is
possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty
to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."

What they (and the vegetarians) don't get is the cruelty involved in
the industrial production of milk and eggs, they think something has
to die to have suffered.

They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a
cow kills it.' but even as a wind-up it's both ignorant and childish
because 'of course' vegans know that the only way you can get milk is
to get a cow pregnant (typically artificially), let it give birth then
deny that calf the milk by killing it, either then (specifically if
it's a male as they are 'no use' for milk production), or after a few
months (after containing it in a small pen (rose veal)) or subjecting
it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till
it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life.

http://www.skoolofvegan.com/if-we-do...yll-burst.html

So why anyone would consume the growth fluid of a different species,
especially after they have weaned is simply because that's how they
were conditioned from a child and now can't actually see it for the
bizarre process it is.

Because we have evolved the gene to digest milk, 100% of the Irish
posses this gene by way of example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence

https://ibb.co/VDR6Mny

They consider 'milk' a thing, a commodity and that we are supposed to
have, when it's just the opposite and always has been.

It is a commodity, much like soy , coconut and other food products. Milk
has been part of our natural balanced diet for thousands of years. You'd
rather that not be the case and so bury your head in the sand.

On 07/05/2021 10:22, T i m wrote:

subjecting
it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till
it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life.

That's interesting, because wild foxes have the ability to live for 20
years, but the average age at death for them is about 5 years.

So it looks from your figures that cows have 2 extra years of their
pampered life that wild foxes never see at all.

The natural world...great if you don't live in it...

--
Spike

On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for
one thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.


milk works if they are not agin it

I guess you need a protein? Lentils boiled to destruction?

Mung Beans are used to make transparent noodles somewhere
in Asia. It was on TV the other night. ?Rick stein

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.



I've eaten challah with a maple syrup glaze. I think diluted as the
flavour was mild but then so are some syrups.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.



can you not use sugared water as thats whats used onhot cross buns?

It does mean you'd have to get used ot teh sweetness though.

On Thu, 6 May 2021 22:23:04 +0100, SH wrote:

snip

can you not use sugared water as thats whats used onhot cross buns?

It does mean you'd have to get used ot teh sweetness though.

That was my question after a quick Google on bread glazes (I've never
glazed any of mine and so wasn't sure what the key purpose was). GB
mentioned the colour but as a utilitarian I wouldn't really care about
that and the wholegrain loaves I bake generally come out the colour I
am used to seeing bread being in any case?

Cheers, T i m

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.



what's wrong with eggs from local suppliers, the hobby farm types
who treat their hens like pets ?.

On Sun, 9 May 2021 11:34:29 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing!

I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent
substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned
chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg.

So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please?

We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly
glazed bread.



what's wrong with eggs from local suppliers, the hobby farm types
who treat their hens like pets ?.

Because (and possibly though ignorance) they aren't treating them like
pets they are (typically) abusing and exploiting them like slaves. ;-(

Most people don't keep a dog and have it work for them generating
electricity on a treadmill or getting it to dig over the garden by
burying bones here and there?

A chicken is no different to no other bird in that they have a desire
to lay eggs, build a clutch (of varying number depending on the
species), sit on those eggs (incubation), have them hatch and then
tend / feed / protect their chicks until they are mature enough to
'fly the nest'. They might also only have restricted breeding seasons.

We have exploited the chicken (and some other birds) by taking their
eggs away from them and so forcing them to keep laying them in an
effort to form a clutch and in so doing cause them mental stress and
putting extra strain on their reproductive systems. By taking the eggs
away you also remove the ability for her to use the egg itself as a
way of recouping some of the lost calcium (seen at it's worst in
battery farms by all the birds with broken limbs).

Taking on an ex battery hen is obviously a good thing in the sense of
their living conditions (they are also under mental strain when forced
into a shed containing 10,000 other chickens because they can't cope
with that large a social group (they would normally be in flocks of
less than 100 as they can only recognise 100 other birds to know they
are friends / family and not aggressors from another flock) but may
not be much better off in other ways.

Also, they are typically forced to roost on the ground (and so
vulnerable to foxes as foxes do get into their cages etc) when they
would normally roost in the trees to be away from such predators.
Having a fox wandering round at eye level and trying to get into your
house is way more stressful than looking at that fox from 20 feet
above it.

Also, if you take on (and especially if you 'buy' from the farmer) an
ex battery chicken you aren't doing the chickens (in general) any
favour if that outlet is more profitable (or even less loss) for the
farmer.

It's the same as people who buy animals from food markets in China and
set them free, the person trapping them in the wild is still getting
reward for their exploitation.

On top of that, given that male chickens play no part useful in the
egg industry, they are all generally killed at about 1 day old by
being fed live into a macerator.

https://ibb.co/JmYzpVz

https://ibb.co/YyrMXZc

Rarely is it the obvious, it's often also all the stuff that goes on
behind the scenes that people who don't want to support all this
cruelty and exploitation want to make people aware of.

Given humans are supposed to be so intelligent and therefore
remorseful, you would think we would have devise other ways of
surviving without having to cause suffering, exploitation and death of
millions of sentient, intelligent, social and trusting [1] animals by
now ... and for the vast majority we have of course.

https://ibb.co/rdQvftm ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] And that makes even more disgusting. In general we only
'domesticated' animals that were generally gentle, curious,
intelligent (I think pigs are the 4th most intelligent animal, over
dogs and cats) and trusting. We keep, feed and provide shelter ...
then cut their throats ...

On 09/05/2021 14:11, T i m wrote:

Because (and possibly though ignorance) they aren't treating them like
pets they are (typically) abusing and exploiting them like slaves. ;-(

NO THEY AREN'T !!. They are treated like members of the family.
Get Real.


On top of that, given that male chickens play no part useful in the
egg industry, they are all generally killed at about 1 day old by
being fed live into a macerator.


snip typically irrelevent and possibly fake videos - AGAIN

name me one hobby farmer who does this ?

On Mon, 10 May 2021 12:31:44 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 09/05/2021 14:11, T i m wrote:

Because (and possibly though ignorance) they aren't treating them like
pets they are (typically) abusing and exploiting them like slaves. ;-(

NO THEY AREN'T !!.

Of course they are. Like I said, *ignorance*.

They are treated like members of the family.

A member of the family they exploit every day you mean? Your daughter
makes *herself* a toy and you take it away, forcing her to make
another, and another and another ... unless you are saying 'hobby'
(something you have introduced into the conversation as a strawman
from the main point) farmers don't use the eggs?

Get Real.

The irony is that I am the real one here. I'm the one who is living a
happy and healthy life without causing animals any unnecessary pain or
suffering (unless you are suggesting humans can't survive without
eating bird eggs)?


On top of that, given that male chickens play no part useful in the
egg industry, they are all generally killed at about 1 day old by
being fed live into a macerator.


snip typically irrelevent and possibly fake videos - AGAIN

Ah, so, still so petrified by the truth you can't even click on a link
to a *picture* you pathetic pussy!

name me one hobby farmer who does this ?

Does what (given you are too petrified to even look at a picture)?

If you are talking about macerating the male chicks then I doubt many
could afford the equipment to and given they won't be giving any
chance the chickens to sit on the eggs, (even if there is a cock
there) no bird would ever hatch from the egg in the first place.

So where do these chickens these 'hobby farmers' come from where they
only have female chickens?

If they allow nature to work *naturally*, what do they do with all the
males that are born?

Cheers, T i m