|
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one
thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
GB wrote
I bake most of the bread we eat, I bake all I eat. and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I couldnt care less if its vegan or not or how badly the wheat etc was tortured getting the grains off the plants with some ****ing great machine costing a decent chunk of a megabuck and moved in ****ing great polluting trucks from where its grown to where I bake it. I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) I'd tell them to like it or lump it or bring their own. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? Bill |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
GB wrote:
I haven't found a decent substitute for egg Not tried it, but I've seen something called "Oggs" on the supermarket shelf? https://www.loveoggs.com/product-oggs-aquafaba-egg-alternative/ |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) There are many alternatives that are alternatives to egg wash but don't give a glaze finish. I have read that brushing oil after baking is a way of getting a glaze effect. Do let us know how you get on. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Thu, 6 May 2021 19:03:13 +0100, GB
wrote: I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. So do I (but only from kits). ;-) But, for one thing! Ok ... I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. Oh. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? No, sorry mate I can't (well not from personal experience) but there do seem to be various solutions (one you have tried). The loaves I bake are just a wholegrain and seem to 'brown up' perfectly well on their own. ;-) We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or what about asking them? I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you). Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? The guests are only allowed into the garden under current covid rules. They me be allowed into the house to use the toilet but how do they know if the toilet paper or soap is vegan? -- Adam |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) milk works if they are not agin it I guess you need a protein? Lentils boiled to destruction? -- "Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold." ۥ Confucius |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 20:49, Robin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam. Swordfish steak tonight for tea. -- Adam |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 21:02, ARW wrote:
On 06/05/2021 20:49, Robin wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:46, williamwright wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? Vegan guests mean more Zebra left for GB? And he can argue that he's doing his bit to save the planet by not inviting, say, you and Adam. Swordfish steak tonight for tea. lovely jubbly but after the zebra et al I can't help but wonder if you've been working at a zoo lately :) -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Fri, 7 May 2021 04:35:58 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Sqwertz to Rodent Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) I've eaten challah with a maple syrup glaze. I think diluted as the flavour was mild but then so are some syrups. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote:
I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) can you not use sugared water as thats whats used onhot cross buns? It does mean you'd have to get used ot teh sweetness though. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote:
We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or what about asking them? The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are disappointed by it. :) I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you). Thanks. That would be appreciated. Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. I guess you need a protein? Lentils boiled to destruction? |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Thu, 6 May 2021 19:46:11 +0100, williamwright
wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Why on earth do you let these lunatics in your house, never mind humour their dietary obsessions? Bill Don't apologise - ask them how to glaze it acceptably. -- Dave W |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote:
milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote:
On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote: milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill There is a range of vegan milk options available: Soya milk Oat milk coconut milk Peanut milk cashew milk Almond milk Pistachio milk (from https://www.independent.co.uk/extras...-a8485246.html) |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
P.S. There is a vegan cheese shop in london: https://secretldn.com/la-fauxmagerie-cheesemonger/ https://shop.lafauxmagerie.com/ Apparently you can have cheeses through the post if London is too far away for you to travel. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
|
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
And believe it or not, there is a vegan substitute for egg:
https://followyourheart.com/products/veganegg/ |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Fri, 7 May 2021 01:30:55 +0100, GB
wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or what about asking them? The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are disappointed by it. :) See, and they say vegans are 'fussy'! (Well, yes we are, we 'prefer' our food didn't come with others suffering pain, suffering and death). I do know a professional baker and I'll ask him if he glazes his vegan range and if so, what he uses (and get back to you). Thanks. That would be appreciated. He replied with something about 'orange' but I'm not sure he understood the question so I've re-stated it in my reply (we are going to try some of his sourdough bread and I think he though we wanted it (vegan) glazed). OOI, what is the main purpose of the glaze for you as it seems it can change the flavour and so there are some for sweet and some for savoury? If it's just the colour, wouldn't that only really be visible when the loaf is sitting there whole, rather than cut up in slices? I guess it might be more relevant if you were making rolls etc? Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Thu, 6 May 2021 22:23:04 +0100, SH wrote:
snip can you not use sugared water as thats whats used onhot cross buns? It does mean you'd have to get used ot teh sweetness though. That was my question after a quick Google on bread glazes (I've never glazed any of mine and so wasn't sure what the key purpose was). GB mentioned the colour but as a utilitarian I wouldn't really care about that and the wholegrain loaves I bake generally come out the colour I am used to seeing bread being in any case? Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Fri, 7 May 2021 06:30:17 +0100, Richard
wrote: On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Unfortunately this is the sort of thing we (vegans) get all the time, people arguing against 'it' when they really don't understand what 'it' is. It is very very simple: "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." What they (and the vegetarians) don't get is the cruelty involved in the industrial production of milk and eggs, they think something has to die to have suffered. They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.' but even as a wind-up it's both ignorant and childish because 'of course' vegans know that the only way you can get milk is to get a cow pregnant (typically artificially), let it give birth then deny that calf the milk by killing it, either then (specifically if it's a male as they are 'no use' for milk production), or after a few months (after containing it in a small pen (rose veal)) or subjecting it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life. http://www.skoolofvegan.com/if-we-do...yll-burst.html So why anyone would consume the growth fluid of a different species, especially after they have weaned is simply because that's how they were conditioned from a child and now can't actually see it for the bizarre process it is. https://ibb.co/VDR6Mny They consider 'milk' a thing, a commodity and that we are supposed to have, when it's just the opposite and always has been. Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Fri, 7 May 2021 08:51:42 +0100, SH wrote:
On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote: On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote: milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill There is a range of vegan milk options available: Soya milk Oat milk coconut milk Peanut milk cashew milk Almond milk Pistachio milk They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a different species in the first place! Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been. Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe we weren't ever meant to drink it. Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick. Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 10:44, T i m wrote:
I guess it might be more relevant if you were making rolls etc? That's indeed what I am making. I'll try to post a picture later. Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Fri, 7 May 2021 08:53:58 +0100, SH wrote:
P.S. There is a vegan cheese shop in london: https://secretldn.com/la-fauxmagerie-cheesemonger/ https://shop.lafauxmagerie.com/ Apparently you can have cheeses through the post if London is too far away for you to travel. Or you can buy it in pretty well any supermarket. ;-) I used to like the occasional bit of cheese, a strong cheddar typically but was warned off 'dairy' by my doctor for health reasons a good few years ago (as has my BIL). Vegan cheese (scheese) isn't the same taste as cows milk cheese but the general texture is there , as is the meltability (as in cheese on toast) and is fine on say a pizza (Pappa John's do a fair range of vegan pizzas, as do most of them of course now) but it's not yet quite the same. However, what we are doing then is comparing the taste of something we are used to, something we shouldn't have been consuming in the first place ('cows milk' was meant for 'cows', not humans (same with goat milk etc)) the same applies to anything made from it, like butter and cheese. So, it's not 'going without' anything, it's not assuming you can have something you have stolen from someone else. Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 11:31, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 08:51:42 +0100, SH wrote: On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote: On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote: milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill There is a range of vegan milk options available: Soya milk Oat milk coconut milk Peanut milk cashew milk Almond milk Pistachio milk They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a different species in the first place! Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been. Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe we weren't ever meant to drink it. Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick. Cheers, T i m Well mothers do produce human milk for their babies. Its also documented that mothers can breast feed for several years..... I've heard of kids still breast feeding at age 6. So clearly humans can at least drink & digest human milk..... What would your thoughts be on harvesting human milk and making cheese, butter, yoghurt etc out of it? (a genuine question rather than an attempt to wind anyone up... :-) ) |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
|
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 12:13, T i m wrote:
Vegan cheese (scheese) isn't the same taste as cows milk cheese I bet it isn't! However, what we are doing then is comparing the taste of something we are used to, something we shouldn't have been consuming in the first place ('cows milk' was meant for 'cows', not humans (same with goat milk etc)) "Was meant for"? Who by? God? Your mindset is very weird. So, it's not 'going without' anything, it's not assuming you can have something you have stolen from someone else. How can you steal from a cow that you own? Cows with full udders are damned glad when milking time comes. Humans assume that we can make full use of the natural world because there's no reason why not. We are the dominant species after all. Rape loot and pillage, that's what I say. Bill |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 12:25, Tim Streater wrote:
On 07 May 2021 at 08:53:58 BST, SH wrote: P.S. There is a vegan cheese shop in london: Prop: Michael Palin, no doubt. Well it's true that a vegan cheese shop would be 'completely uncontaminated' by nice cheese. Bill |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On Fri, 7 May 2021 12:41:03 +0100, SH wrote:
snip Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick. Well mothers do produce human milk for their babies. Its also documented that mothers can breast feed for several years..... I've heard of kids still breast feeding at age 6. Ok ... So clearly humans can at least drink & digest human milk..... Ah, yes, 'human milk', milk from and for humans, not milk from a different species designed (only) for that species. ;-) What would your thoughts be on harvesting human milk and making cheese, butter, yoghurt etc out of it? Well, at least it would be natural (for us to consume, pre weaning) and as long as the people involved were doing so voluntarily (so *their choice*) and didn't need to have their babies taken away and killed ... (a genuine question rather than an attempt to wind anyone up... :-) ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnhO2uOTW3w I think Ricky's reaction is typical of most people that have been weaned. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 11:31, T i m wrote:
They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a different species in the first place! Why not? Who says? Where does this ruling come from? You're doing what the greeny nutters do, trying to make rules for everyone based on your minority crackpot ideas. Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been. I'm a member of a species that has co-existed with farm animals for millennia. That's not indoctrination, it's the natural world as it's evolved. Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe we weren't ever meant to drink it. Got a source for that figure? As it applies to our indigenous population? I know some effniks have problems with milk. Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick. No it isn't comparable because smoking is bad for you and milk is good for you. Bill Cheers, T i m |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 11:22, T i m wrote:
They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.' No it's true. It happened to a cow in our village. Something to do with the earth connection coming off the milking machine I believe. Bill |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 10:44, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 01:30:55 +0100, GB wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:58, T i m wrote: We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) Have you asked them if they care? The chances are if you are accommodating them in general I think they would be happy with that or what about asking them? The main guest is our son in law, and he's perfectly happy with the vegan glaze. Thinking about it, it's the rest of the family who are disappointed by it. :) See, and they say vegans are 'fussy'! (Well, yes we are, we 'prefer' our food didn't come with others suffering pain, suffering and death). Death is a certainty, pain and suffering are optional. Shame you don't care about animal welfare while the animal is alive. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
"SH" wrote in message ... On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote: On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote: milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill There is a range of vegan milk options available: Soya milk Oat milk coconut milk Peanut milk cashew milk Almond milk Pistachio milk that's well known ITYF that the point that the OP is making is that these alternatives don't adequately substitute when used as a glaze for baking |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 11:31, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 08:51:42 +0100, SH wrote: On 07/05/2021 08:34, williamwright wrote: On 07/05/2021 06:30, Richard wrote: milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it. Bill There is a range of vegan milk options available: Soya milk Oat milk coconut milk Peanut milk cashew milk Almond milk Pistachio milk They aren't actually 'vegan milk options', they are 'human milk options' as we should never have been consuming the growth fluid of a different species in the first place! Given we have evolved to have the necessary genes to digest lactose in adulthood, that is not true. Once you have undone all the indoctrination you (we) have been subjected to for (for most here), many many years you should be able to see it for the weird behaviour that it has always been. Only weird to fanatical vegans who don't think it's weird to consume soya milk in its place. Now, 'I get' you might stoop to all sorts of levels to do things to survive but we aren't talking about survival in 2021, well not for a vast proportion of the population in any case. And given 65% of the population are lactose intolerant (more intolerant of cows milk than pretty well anything else), that should give you the clue that maybe we weren't ever meant to drink it. The western population has the gene to process lactose. If you were Asian then I would extend my sympathies to your inability to digest milk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence Building up a tolerance to something we weren't naturally tolerant to (because it wasn't meant for us) makes as much sense of keeping smoking even though it makes you sick until you can do it without being sick. You're now talking gibberish. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 11:22, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 7 May 2021 06:30:17 +0100, Richard wrote: On 06/05/2021 20:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 06/05/2021 19:03, GB wrote: I bake most of the bread we eat, and it's nearly all vegan. But, for one thing! I need/like to glaze some of the loaves, and I haven't found a decent substitute for egg to do that. I've tried the liquid from tinned chickpeas, but it's really naff compared to nice shiny egg. So, can you suggest a decent vegan substitute, please? We have vegan guests, and I'm fed up with apologising for the poorly glazed bread. :) milk works if they are not agin it You seem to not grasp the "vegan" bit of this. Unfortunately this is the sort of thing we (vegans) get all the time, people arguing against 'it' when they really don't understand what 'it' is. It is very very simple: "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." What they (and the vegetarians) don't get is the cruelty involved in the industrial production of milk and eggs, they think something has to die to have suffered. They say stupid things like 'Vegans won't have milk because milking a cow kills it.' but even as a wind-up it's both ignorant and childish because 'of course' vegans know that the only way you can get milk is to get a cow pregnant (typically artificially), let it give birth then deny that calf the milk by killing it, either then (specifically if it's a male as they are 'no use' for milk production), or after a few months (after containing it in a small pen (rose veal)) or subjecting it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life. http://www.skoolofvegan.com/if-we-do...yll-burst.html So why anyone would consume the growth fluid of a different species, especially after they have weaned is simply because that's how they were conditioned from a child and now can't actually see it for the bizarre process it is. Because we have evolved the gene to digest milk, 100% of the Irish posses this gene by way of example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence https://ibb.co/VDR6Mny They consider 'milk' a thing, a commodity and that we are supposed to have, when it's just the opposite and always has been. It is a commodity, much like soy , coconut and other food products. Milk has been part of our natural balanced diet for thousands of years. You'd rather that not be the case and so bury your head in the sand. |
Mostly Vegan - Ping Tim
On 07/05/2021 10:22, T i m wrote:
subjecting it to the same slavery of producing 'industrial' levels of milk till it's exhausted and then it's killed at about 7 of it's 20+ year life. That's interesting, because wild foxes have the ability to live for 20 years, but the average age at death for them is about 5 years. So it looks from your figures that cows have 2 extra years of their pampered life that wild foxes never see at all. The natural world...great if you don't live in it... -- Spike |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:17 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 DIYbanter