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I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms
system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:13:26 +0100
Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) Since you mention it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smar****er -- Davey. |
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? https://www.unitedutilities.com/my-a...eading-meters/ So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? |
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Mark Carver wrote:
I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? Meters can be tied together. One scheme, allows a dumb meter, to piggyback off the radio of a smart meter. A cable would run from the dumb meter, to the smart meter in that case. ******* Our water here, using the RFID concept. An especially strong "ping" from the truck as it drives by, causes the meter to transmit a "usage packet" back to the truck. The meter is battery powered, and the battery needs replacement every ten years. Since the water meter stays in a low power state, most all of the time, the ten year battery interval is really the "shelf life". Counting pulses at extremely low rates, uses no power to speak of. Now, my meter it is claimed, has "leak detection", which implies at the very least, some notion of time in the metering. And including a measure of time would waste power. I've never heard of anyone getting a warning on their water bill, that "something is leaking". This would not be real-time detection, more a delay of a month or two, to find out. The radio on the unit, cannot be heard by anything, otherwise. Only the truck driving by can "hear it". When the toilet valve was leaking, there was no notification on any bill. I detected that by watching the visual meter dial one day, and seeing the fastest moving spindle, "pipping a bit". Then I went hunting for the miscreant. So if there is leak detection, I'm still waiting for a demo. Paul |
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On 26/04/2021 19:39, tim... wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message ... I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? https://www.unitedutilities.com/my-a...eading-meters/ Well yes. That's exactly what I've got at present, (it's exactly what I described in my post) but it doesn't explain how they will continuously (once per hour/day etc) monitor my use (if that's the plan) ? |
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:13:26 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:
I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? My water meter has a radio link, with indicator in the electricity box. |
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jon wrote:
My water meter has a radio link, with indicator in the electricity box. does water consumption show up on the In house Display? |
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Mark Carver wrote:
tim... wrote: https://www.unitedutilities.com/my-a...eading-meters/ That's exactly what I've got at present, (it's exactly what I described in my post) but it doesn't explain how they will continuously (once per hour/day etc) monitor my use (if that's the plan) ? When was Dagenham moved to Northumbria? https://www.arqiva.com/news/press-releases/arqiva-smart-water-metering-northumbrian-water/ |
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On 27/04/2021 11:22, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: tim... wrote: https://www.unitedutilities.com/my-a...eading-meters/ That's exactly what I've got at present, (it's exactly what I described in my post) but it doesn't explain how they will continuously (once per hour/day etc) monitor my use (if that's the plan) ? When was Dagenham moved to Northumbria? https://www.arqiva.com/news/press-releases/arqiva-smart-water-metering-northumbrian-water/ "Northumbrian Water Group, one of Britains largest water providers, to deliver an initial roll-out of a smart metering network in Essex, where it operates as Essex & Suffolk Water." -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 27/04/2021 07:59, Mark Carver wrote:
On 26/04/2021 19:39, tim... wrote: "Mark Carver" wrote in message ... I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? https://www.unitedutilities.com/my-a...eading-meters/ Well yes. That's exactly what I've got at present, (it's exactly what I described in my post) but it doesn't explain how they will continuously (once per hour/day etc) monitor my use (if that's the plan) ? Thames don't claim to be able to get every meter connected to the Flexnet network. But I think some of the smart water meters have an aerial wire - although I've no idea if those have been used. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Mark Carver wrote:
What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? Around here the mechanical indoor water meters are cabled to a ~10cm round black plastic 'puck' that's mounted on the front wall of the house. To my knowledge there's no power supply or battery in the meter (never had to change one in 15 years, although I suppose it could be powered from the water pressure). I had assumed that a meter reader went around with a battery powered gadget and touched it to the puck, which illuminated a coil in the puck with RF and that stimulated some resonances within the meter digits, so you got an RF resonance that corresponded to which digit was in which position. That means you can read it passively like an RFID without needing a power supply. But I have no evidence for this, and I now can't find a picture. I've never seen anyone read it, but they could do this without ringing the bell. Are you saying this kind can be read from a van? I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so. Or maybe there are multiple types. Theo |
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On 27/04/2021 14:30, Theo wrote:
Mark Carver wrote: What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? Around here the mechanical indoor water meters are cabled to a ~10cm round black plastic 'puck' that's mounted on the front wall of the house. To my knowledge there's no power supply or battery in the meter (never had to change one in 15 years, although I suppose it could be powered from the water pressure). I had assumed that a meter reader went around with a battery powered gadget and touched it to the puck, which illuminated a coil in the puck with RF and that stimulated some resonances within the meter digits, so you got an RF resonance that corresponded to which digit was in which position. That means you can read it passively like an RFID without needing a power supply. But I have no evidence for this, and I now can't find a picture. I've never seen anyone read it, but they could do this without ringing the bell. Are you saying this kind can be read from a van? I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so. Or maybe there are multiple types. That sounds like the remote reader we had fitted here by Thames Water in 2005. It never worked properly and the final straw was when they sent people out on Good Friday /and/ Easter Monday in 2008 who both insisted I needed to lift the fitted carpet and provide access to the meter. After lengthy correspondence they admitted they no longer fitted such systems because of their unreliability, fitted a new meter in the pavement in place of their stop cock, and refunded a year's charges by way of compensation. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 27/04/2021 15:00, Robin wrote:
On 27/04/2021 14:30, Theo wrote: Mark Carver wrote: What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? Around here the mechanical indoor water meters are cabled to a ~10cm round black plastic 'puck' that's mounted on the front wall of the house. To my knowledge there's no power supply or battery in the meter (never had to change one in 15 years, although I suppose it could be powered from the water pressure). I had assumed that a meter reader went around with a battery powered gadget and touched it to the puck, which illuminated a coil in the puck with RF and that stimulated some resonances within the meter digits, so you got an RF resonance that corresponded to which digit was in which position.Â* That means you can read it passively like an RFID without needing a power supply. But I have no evidence for this, and I now can't find a picture.Â* I've never seen anyone read it, but they could do this without ringing the bell. Are you saying this kind can be read from a van?Â* I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so.Â* Or maybe there are multiple types. That sounds like the remote reader we had fitted here by Thames Water in 2005.Â* It never worked properly and the final straw was when they sent people out on Good Friday /and/ Easter Monday in 2008 who both insisted I needed to lift the fitted carpet and provide access to the meter. After lengthy correspondence they admitted they no longer fitted such systems because of their unreliability, fitted a new meter in the pavement in place of their stop cock, and refunded a year's charges by way of compensation. D'oh! I forgot to say that in 2005-2008 there was no drive-by reading; it was man putting reader to pad. But they can certainly do it now - even with meters well under the pavement. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 27/04/2021 14:30, Theo wrote:
Are you saying this kind can be read from a van? I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so. Or maybe there are multiple types. No. I was only suggesting the kerbside (400-600mm under the pavement etc) ones can be read by a van/man with a wand/etc, |
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Mark Carver wrote: On 27/04/2021 14:30, Theo wrote: Are you saying this kind can be read from a van? I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so. Or maybe there are multiple types. No. I was only suggesting the kerbside (400-600mm under the pavement etc) ones can be read by a van/man with a wand/etc, our water meter reader has to jump (or wade) the ditch between us and the road. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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Theo wrote: Mark Carver wrote: What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? Around here the mechanical indoor water meters are cabled to a ~10cm round black plastic 'puck' that's mounted on the front wall of the house. To my knowledge there's no power supply or battery in the meter (never had to change one in 15 years, although I suppose it could be powered from the water pressure). I had assumed that a meter reader went around with a battery powered gadget and touched it to the puck, which illuminated a coil in the puck with RF and that stimulated some resonances within the meter digits, so you got an RF resonance that corresponded to which digit was in which position. That means you can read it passively like an RFID without needing a power supply. But I have no evidence for this, and I now can't find a picture. I've never seen anyone read it, but they could do this without ringing the bell. Are you saying this kind can be read from a van? I'm rather surprised at the amount of RF power needed if so. Or maybe there are multiple types. Theo I had two water meters fitted in 2010 and about a year later I caught sight of a Yorkshire Water van parked outside my house. Intrigued I approached the driver and asked if he was reading my meters and was given a demonstration of the handheld reading device. He explained that information gathered fro each meter includes the total amount of water, the maximum flow and the amount of reverse flow (this very serious and can result in to very heavy penalties). The meters are 10.5 metres from the road. -- John Bryan |
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:02:29 +0100
John Bryan wrote: I had two water meters fitted in 2010 and about a year later I caught sight of a Yorkshire Water van parked outside my house. Intrigued I approached the driver and asked if he was reading my meters and was given a demonstration of the handheld reading device. I thought you were going to say that you lived in Cornwall, so this was a real surprise! -- Davey. |
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On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote:
I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. -- Reentrant |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote:
On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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PeterC wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote: On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. err no. You'd be charged for any water passing through the meter. My water meter is on my boundary, so outside leaks arec my problem. But I had a plastic pipe installed before the days of water meters, so I shouldn't get a leak there. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:07:42 +0100, charles wrote:
In article , PeterC wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote: On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. err no. You'd be charged for any water passing through the meter. My water meter is on my boundary, so outside leaks arec my problem. But I had a plastic pipe installed before the days of water meters, so I shouldn't get a leak there. That I know - mine had a leak in the box where the pipe on the outlet from the meter was askew. It was just outside my boundary in in the company's box, plus lead pipe to the old stop cock just inside my boundary. The meter wasn't 'square' to the MDPE that went to lead then to MDPE. I had it repaired FOC and got the lead replaced, so now it's MDPE. with a joint, all the way. The meter is a bit out of true as the incoming and outgoing pipes aren't in line. BUT, if the meter is inside the house (a neighbour's is) then any leaks upstream aren't the user's responsibility. I haven't looked closely eneough to be sure, but there appears to be a bypass loop with isolating valves for the meter - very tempting! The reader covers just over half of the meter, so it can't be read. That would annoy me - I'd install another meter in series. The only external stopcock serves more than on house. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 30/04/2021 22:18, PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:07:42 +0100, charles wrote: In article , PeterC wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote: On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. err no. You'd be charged for any water passing through the meter. My water meter is on my boundary, so outside leaks arec my problem. But I had a plastic pipe installed before the days of water meters, so I shouldn't get a leak there. That I know - mine had a leak in the box where the pipe on the outlet from the meter was askew. It was just outside my boundary in in the company's box, plus lead pipe to the old stop cock just inside my boundary. The meter wasn't 'square' to the MDPE that went to lead then to MDPE. I had it repaired FOC and got the lead replaced, so now it's MDPE. with a joint, all the way. The meter is a bit out of true as the incoming and outgoing pipes aren't in line. BUT, if the meter is inside the house (a neighbour's is) then any leaks upstream aren't the user's responsibility. I haven't looked closely eneough to be sure, but there appears to be a bypass loop with isolating valves for the meter - very tempting! The reader covers just over half of the meter, so it can't be read. That would annoy me - I'd install another meter in series. The only external stopcock serves more than on house. That's not my understanding. And would lead to bizarre results where (as was not uncommon) meters were fitted inside houses and flats. The supplier is only responsible for the communication pipe up to (usually) the boundary of the property. If the supply pipe after that serves several properties then it is the responsibility of the several owners. See the table in https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/.../supply-pipes/ -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 30 Apr 2021 at 22:33:20 BST, "Robin" wrote:
On 30/04/2021 22:18, PeterC wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:07:42 +0100, charles wrote: In article , PeterC wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote: On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ? The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. err no. You'd be charged for any water passing through the meter. My water meter is on my boundary, so outside leaks arec my problem. But I had a plastic pipe installed before the days of water meters, so I shouldn't get a leak there. That I know - mine had a leak in the box where the pipe on the outlet from the meter was askew. It was just outside my boundary in in the company's box, plus lead pipe to the old stop cock just inside my boundary. The meter wasn't 'square' to the MDPE that went to lead then to MDPE. I had it repaired FOC and got the lead replaced, so now it's MDPE. with a joint, all the way. The meter is a bit out of true as the incoming and outgoing pipes aren't in line. BUT, if the meter is inside the house (a neighbour's is) then any leaks upstream aren't the user's responsibility. I haven't looked closely eneough to be sure, but there appears to be a bypass loop with isolating valves for the meter - very tempting! The reader covers just over half of the meter, so it can't be read. That would annoy me - I'd install another meter in series. The only external stopcock serves more than on house. That's not my understanding. And would lead to bizarre results where (as was not uncommon) meters were fitted inside houses and flats. The supplier is only responsible for the communication pipe up to (usually) the boundary of the property. If the supply pipe after that serves several properties then it is the responsibility of the several owners. See the table in https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/.../supply-pipes/ The leak may be their responsibility once it is detected but they can't easily be charged for the water loss before the meter(s). -- Roger Hayter |
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Smart Water Meters
On 30/04/2021 23:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
On 30 Apr 2021 at 22:33:20 BST, "Robin" wrote: On 30/04/2021 22:18, PeterC wrote: BUT, if the meter is inside the house (a neighbour's is) then any leaks upstream aren't the user's responsibility. I haven't looked closely eneough to be sure, but there appears to be a bypass loop with isolating valves for the meter - very tempting! The reader covers just over half of the meter, so it can't be read. That would annoy me - I'd install another meter in series. The only external stopcock serves more than on house. That's not my understanding. And would lead to bizarre results where (as was not uncommon) meters were fitted inside houses and flats. The supplier is only responsible for the communication pipe up to (usually) the boundary of the property. If the supply pipe after that serves several properties then it is the responsibility of the several owners. See the table in https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/.../supply-pipes/ The leak may be their responsibility once it is detected but they can't easily be charged for the water loss before the meter(s). Good point. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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Smart Water Meters
On 30/04/2021 17:12, PeterC wrote:
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:57:36 +0100, Reentrant wrote: On 26/04/2021 14:13, Mark Carver wrote: I read some gumf the other day, saying Arqiva are rolling out a comms system for Smart Water meters (it's the meters that are presumably smart, not the water) What is a smart meter, have I already got one ?Â* The present one has some sort of RFID functionality I assume, coz the van from South East Water drives up our road, emitting a signal, that causes the meters to 'ping' back their readings ? So, are these meters going to be the same ones used for the smart metering, or will they come and change my meter (for the third time in 10 years now !) And if they are the same ones, how on earth will the magic 10 megawatt ERP signal from Arqiva reach my meter that's 600mm below the ground ? For some reason our water meter is inside the house. It's fitted with one of these: https://www.itron.com/-/media/feature/products/documents/brochure/everblu_cyble_enhanced_pb_en_0911.pdf Never had a meter reader person visit, and our water bills are always spot on. It makes it impossible to read the meter. I read mine every week just in case there's a leak somewhere. Still, with meter inside you'd be aware of leaks and wouldn't be charged for leaks outside. No problem at all reading the meter. Here's a pictu https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BOrk0FJapnxpGI1s13xX0mTOi4bzVpY/view?usp=sharing -- Reentrant |
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