Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1805124.html

On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers

I've searched for anything that says Farage in an anti-vaxxer and
failed. Perhaps your google-fu will be better?

Yes I fully accept he is anti-lockdown, though less certain about masks.

will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them ?

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally.

For small companies at least, sick pay is paid out of companies profits.
I'm intrigued what this generous offer might be.

On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel Farage

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally. Not that any amount of
proof can challenge the dogma that you must work till you die.



--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer and
anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends, so I'm wondering what
group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's name?

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed a
dying of Covid

Well I guess we are suddenly less likely to spread anything.
Brian

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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1805124.html

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
Yes I fully accept he is anti-lockdown, though less certain about masks.

Of course he is anti-lockdown. The only people who actually believe him
are the ****ed in pubs. Everyone else knows him for the charlatan he is.

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In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested positive.

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Brian Gaff wrote:

Well I guess we are suddenly less likely to spread anything.

I suppose it shows how much more contagious covid19 is,
if it can infect 1,495,408 cases out of 32,593,452 tests,
while at the same time flu gets 0 out of 685,000 tests

Andrew wrote

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing, fear or
inability to get to a GP,

It wouldnt be that given that a few do end up in hospital
and even on a respirator.

or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1805124.html

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers

I've searched for anything that says Farage in an anti-vaxxer and failed.
Perhaps your google-fu will be better?

Yes I fully accept he is anti-lockdown, though less certain about masks.

will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them ?

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally.

For small companies at least, sick pay is paid out of companies profits.

All pay is paid out of profits for all operations that are making a profit.

I'm intrigued what this generous offer might be.

Presumably letting you go off sick whenever you have any infectious illness
at all.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer and
anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's name?

On 25/02/2021 16:58, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:57:28 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
[quoted text muted]

I've searched for anything that says Farage in an anti-vaxxer and
failed.
Perhaps your google-fu will be better?

Where did I say he was ?

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...ast-likely-to-
get-covid-vaccine-among-voters-222265/

https://tinyurl.com/yccrgxzv

It was implied by, "Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-maskers".

I you have said "Mark Harper anti-vaxxer-anti-maskers" it would have
been more appropriate since Mr Harper was a remainer. :-)

Yes I fully accept he is anti-lockdown, though less certain about masks.

[quoted text muted]

For small companies at least, sick pay is paid out of companies profits.
I'm intrigued what this generous offer might be.

Well in a sane world, if you can avoid spreading flu - with the attendant
expense to society up to and including premature death - by expending
less on sick pay through the extra taxes you pick up, who wouldn't you ?

Why do you target someone else to pay taxes. Is there any reason why you
don't volunteer to pay more tax?

It's a common socialist ploy that it's everyone else who should pay
taxes. Perhaps stick NI on pensions and dividend to create a level
playing field?

On 25/02/2021 17:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message
...

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested positive.

....including those run over by a bus within 28 days of a positive test.

--
Max Demian

On 25/02/2021 17:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested positive.

I think that is the case now, but not in the early days.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

Well I guess we are suddenly less likely to spread anything.

In fact you buggers have been spreading covid like mad.

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-b1805124.html

On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting
pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's name?

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:24:50 +0000, Fredxx, the notorious, troll-feeding,
senile smartass, blathered again:


Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting
pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

I would expect that a senile idiot like you who regularly gets insulted and
abused by the abnormal Ozzie troll would STOP feeding him time and again.
Instead, to his enjoyment, you KEEP sucking him off on every occasion! BG

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 04:52:09 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

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"Ah, the voice of scum speaks."
MID:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested
positive.

there are reports of that not being the case

On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally. Not that any amount of
proof can challenge the dogma that you must work till you die.


I worked for a company that offered 6 months full pay for sickness and
that didn't stop the spread colds and flu around the office/factory -
possibly because it is already passed on before full symptoms appear.

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to them
?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer and
anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few,

Not that few actually.

and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting pubs and
shops.

Nope.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

The problem isnt with the legislation, its how you
deal with it at the supermarket or shop or pub door.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?

On 25/02/2021 18:06, Max Demian wrote:
On 25/02/2021 17:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* tim... wrote:
"Andrew" wrote in message
...

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested
positive.

...including those run over by a bus within 28 days of a positive test.


While some of that will inevitably be true, i.e. they died with covid
rather than necessarily from it, there is also a group of people who
died free from covid but because of it.

This could en up being a very large number when you factor in all those
deaths resulting from the inability (or reluctance) access healthcare,
and preventative treatment and screening, let alone the economic and
mental health effects.


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alan_m wrote
Jethro_uk wrote

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally. Not that any amount of
proof can challenge the dogma that you must work till you die.

I worked for a company that offered 6 months full pay for sickness and
that didn't stop the spread colds and flu around the office/factory -

What matters is whether they discouraged people from calling
in sick if they had a cold or flu and plenty did just that.

possibly because it is already passed on before full symptoms appear.

Thats what I was told by the GP when I tried to get a medical
certificate after I had chosen to stay home and call in sick. Its
not really much of an argument tho because even tho you may
well have infected people before you were aware that you were
infected, it still makes sense to not infect any more once its clear
that you are infected.

And covid is very unusual in that you can infect others before
you have any symptoms and some never have any symptoms.
That's one area where its very different to SARS and why is
much more of a medical problem than SARS was.

On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 07:50:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

In article , Fredxx
writes
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with
Nigel Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to
be allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,
That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting
pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?


Totally illogical. If you have been vaccinated what have you to fear?
--
bert

In article , alan_m
writes
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally. Not that any amount of
proof can challenge the dogma that you must work till you die.


I worked for a company that offered 6 months full pay for sickness and
that didn't stop the spread colds and flu around the office/factory -
possibly because it is already passed on before full symptoms appear.

Flu is far less aggressive than Covid 19 so the measures to stop spread
of the latter will be far more effective against the former. In addition
we have had more flu vaccinations this winter and for once the vaccine
was accurately targeted at this year's variant.
--
bert

On 25/02/2021 19:00, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:06:27 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

Why do you target someone else to pay taxes. Is there any reason why you
don't volunteer to pay more tax?

How do you know I don't, pray tell ?

If you do volunteer then you're unique. :-)

I well suspect I pay more tax that I need to but that's out of laziness,
and where the cost of paying someone to go over my accounts is greater
than the potential saving.

On 25/02/2021 19:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-

latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with
Nigel Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to
be allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few,

Not that few actually.

and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting pubs and
shops.

Nope.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

The problem isnt with the legislation, its how you
deal with it at the supermarket or shop or pub door.

That's simple, you treat it the same way as a barman selling a drink to
a child. £200 for the cashier or nominated person operating the
self-service checkouts and unlimited fine for the shop/pub.

Pubs and clubs are obliged to restrict entry, and will have licensed
doorman in many instances.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?

On 25/02/2021 19:16, tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Â* tim... wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

probably because all the people who actually died of flu were diagnosed
a dying of Covid

The deaths from Covid figures only apply to those who have tested
positive.

there are reports of that not being the case

Hence why excess deaths also became a useful indicator for the spread of
Covid.

On 25/02/2021 22:21, bert wrote:
In article , alan_m
writes
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:

The most persuasive argument is that the chance for people to spread flu
by dragging their sickbed into their workplace has gone. Proof that a
slightly more generous approach to sick pay could have a dramatic
beneficial effect on public health generally. Not that any amount of
proof can challenge the dogma that you must work till you die.


I worked for a company that offered 6 months full pay for sickness and
that didn't stop the spread colds and flu around the office/factory -
possibly because it is already passed on before full symptoms appear.

Flu is far less aggressive than Covid 19 so the measures to stop spread
of the latter will be far more effective against the former. In addition
we have had more flu vaccinations this winter and for once the vaccine
was accurately targeted at this year's variant.

the figures that I have seen are that without measures to slow it, the
R-rate (R0) for flue is about 1.3 and Covid-19 is 2.5+, so yes, the
anti-Covid measures that have stopped the spread of Covid-19 being as
high as they might, will have pretty well wiped out the spread of flu.

On 25/02/2021 22:26, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/02/2021 19:00, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:06:27 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

Why do you target someone else to pay taxes. Is there any reason why you
don't volunteer to pay more tax?

How do you know I don't, pray tell ?

If you do volunteer then you're unique. :-)

I well suspect I pay more tax that I need to but that's out of laziness,
and where the cost of paying someone to go over my accounts is greater
than the potential saving.

Similarly here, though not so much on a cost basis, as an effort basis.
The potential saving is there, but is just not worth the extra effort.
Much better to keep life simple.

On 25/02/2021 18:24, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-

latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting
pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

The simple answer would be to accept that small risk to others and issue
exemption certificates to those unable to have the vaccines - properly
policed, unlike the mask exemption that pretty well anyone can self-declare.

On 25/02/2021 22:19, bert wrote:
In article , Fredxx
writes
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:
Â* "Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-

latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with
NigelÂ* Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to
beÂ* allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,
Â*That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them
visiting pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?


Totally illogical. If you have been vaccinated what have you to fear?

What makes you think that vaccination is 100% effective? It isn't, it
only reduces the risk. Society, as a whole, relies upon sufficient
people being vaccinated to leave a pool too small to sustain and spread
an illness. Hence the concerns about lower numbers taking up MMR.

"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , Fredxx
writes
On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,
That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few, and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting
pubs and shops.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?

Totally illogical.

We'll see...

If you have been vaccinated what have you to fear?

That the protection hasn't fully kicked in yet, that your
body's immune system isnt that effective at all, that
some of the vaccines may not be that great at preventing
infection and that even when they do prevent severe
disease very effective, we don't know what they do
about long covid yet.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 25/02/2021 19:39, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 25/02/2021 18:03, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 25/02/2021 16:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 25/02/2021 14:33, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:16:47 +0000, Andrew wrote:

Is this because of social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing,
fear or inability to get to a GP, or something else ?

See this article in the Inde -

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...d-england-phe-
latest-b1805124.html

Probably a combination. I wonder how the Faragist anti-vaxxer-anti-
maskers will respond to this news, when a grown up has read it to
them ?

Why would being anti-vax or anti mask have anything to do with Nigel
Farage

I think Jethro is confusing an anti-lockdown policy with anti-vaxxer
and anti-mask wearers.

I have just signed the petition requiring only those vaccinated to be
allowed in shops and pubs when lockdown ends,

That would be hard on those who cant be vaccinated
for medical reasons and there are some of those.

Very few,

Not that few actually.

and I would expect with medical issues stopping them visiting pubs and
shops.

Nope.

As with any legislation there are always justified exceptions.

The problem isnt with the legislation, its how you
deal with it at the supermarket or shop or pub door.

That's simple,

Not really.

you treat it the same way as a barman selling a drink to a child.

It doesnt really matter if that doesnt work very well.

It does with this virus where everyone there can be
infected if an unvaccinated infected person manages
to get thru the system, like they do with the age check.

£200 for the cashier or nominated person operating the self-service
checkouts and unlimited fine for the shop/pub.

Unlimited fines are practical and are never applied with an
offence like that. It just not feasible to send the operation
broke when some employee ****s up and forgets to check
or chooses to let a mate or relo bypass the check.

Pubs and clubs are obliged to restrict entry, and will have licensed
doorman in many instances.

But given that fraudulent passports happen, its never
going to be possible to avoid fake vaccination passports
and given that some cant be vaccinated for medical
reasons, they will have to be exceptions in the
legislation and so some risk of infection.

The reality is that its not really practical and while ever there
is a shortage of vaccine, not feasible for that reason either.

And there is likely to be a shortage of vaccines for a long time
given the new undesirable strains showing up. They are doing
to continue to happen in the third world for years.

so I'm wondering what group Jethro is trying to abuse with Farage's
name?

On 25/02/2021 22:31, Fredxx wrote:

Hence why excess deaths also became a useful indicator for the spread of
Covid.

Surely excess deaths to measure of covid deaths is only meaningful if
the rest of the NHS was working the same way as in previous years? If
there is a much reduced healthcare for other conditions the figure could
be expected to rise accordingly.

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On 25/02/2021 23:09, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/02/2021 22:26, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/02/2021 19:00, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:06:27 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

Why do you target someone else to pay taxes. Is there any reason why
you
don't volunteer to pay more tax?

How do you know I don't, pray tell ?

If you do volunteer then you're unique. :-)

I well suspect I pay more tax that I need to but that's out of
laziness, and where the cost of paying someone to go over my accounts
is greater than the potential saving.

Similarly here, though not so much on a cost basis, as an effort basis.
The potential saving is there, but is just not worth the extra effort.
Much better to keep life simple.

It's also about sleeping at night without fear from an HMRC
investigation. Over the years I've had two. Thankfully both ended well.

On 26/02/2021 01:00, alan_m wrote:
On 25/02/2021 22:31, Fredxx wrote:

Hence why excess deaths also became a useful indicator for the spread
of Covid.

Surely excess deaths to measure of covid deaths is only meaningful if
the rest of the NHS was working the same way as in previous years?Â* If
there is a much reduced healthcare for other conditions the figure could
be expected to rise accordingly.

In the early days there was a complaint that not all Covid related
deaths were being recorded from the lack of testing.

Therefore excess deaths over the long term seasonal expectation was a
useful measure of deaths that might be related to Covid.

With greater testing this has become less of an issue, but still useful
to compare where there might otherwise be a number of conventional flu
related deaths.

I think that deaths in coming years may well be increased, from the
recent lack of treatments.

"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 25/02/2021 22:31, Fredxx wrote:

Hence why excess deaths also became a useful indicator for the spread of
Covid.

Surely excess deaths to measure of covid deaths is only meaningful if the
rest of the NHS was working the same way as in previous years? If there
is a much reduced healthcare for other conditions the figure could be
expected to rise accordingly.

Rather unlikely to go up by that much tho.