I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives? I've heard rubbing alcohol mentioned,
but I've no idea what it is or where to get it form.

Daniele
--
Apple Juice Ltd
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk
Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:46:56 UTC,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I've found that using antibacterial soap helps. I'm using a reasonably
pleasant one that I bought in Sainsbury's - Cidal. Might be worth a try.
--
Bob Eager
begin a new life...dump Windows!

In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me. It's available from health food stores and from
their web-site http://www.pitrok.co.uk/ It's also available as a spray
but that seems less effective.

--
dave @ stejonda

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me.

It doesn't for me :-(

I sweat a lot and smell a lot. I use deodorants made by men in white coats
and they work.

Thorough washing (i.e. soaking and and rinsing) and wearing absolutely clean
clothes every day works.

I have a daughter who's even worse. She reacts to chemical deodorants and
says that washing doesn't help - but she wears the same clothes for more
than one day which I'm sure contributes to the whiff.

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
snip
I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me.

It doesn't for me :-(

I sweat a lot and smell a lot. I use deodorants made by men in white coats
and they work.

Me too.
Though I will admit to recently finding the discovery of Safeway own-brand
deodorant, at 49p each very welcome.
I can tell no functional difference between this and the 2.50+ ones, once
the perfumes of both have worn off in a couple of hours.

This is where genetic engineering could be really handy.
Pit bacteria with a floral scent.
One application, and you smell good for life.

Mary Fisher wrote:


Thorough washing (i.e. soaking and and rinsing) and wearing absolutely clean
clothes every day works.

I have a daughter who's even worse. She reacts to chemical deodorants and
says that washing doesn't help - but she wears the same clothes for more
than one day which I'm sure contributes to the whiff.

Simple lesson on B.O.

Sweat doesn't smell!

It's the bacteria that feeds off sweat that starts to grow after around
14 hours or so.

So, to stop stinking and making everyone around you feel like vomiting
when you exude your pungent stench, take your shower in the morning, not
at night.

That way, you are not smelly during the day when you are going to meet
people; and who cares if you start to pong later in the evening, you'll
be at your smelliest while you're asleep.

As for wearing yesterdays sweat soaked clothes, is it any wonder they
reek like skunks rectum... sorry, "oudour glands" this is the 21
century, people have things like automatic washing machines and tumble
driers. there is absolutely NO reason for wearing the same clotes day
after day.

Perhaps they should teach elementary personal hygiene at schools along
with english and maths!

HTH


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"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never
needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
snip
I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so
far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me.

It doesn't for me :-(

I sweat a lot and smell a lot. I use deodorants made by men in white
coats
and they work.

Me too.
Though I will admit to recently finding the discovery of Safeway own-brand
deodorant, at 49p each very welcome.

Safeway is now Morrison.

I can tell no functional difference between this and the 2.50+ ones, once
the perfumes of both have worn off in a couple of hours.

This is where genetic engineering could be really handy.
Pit bacteria with a floral scent.
One application, and you smell good for life.

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never
needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
snip
I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so
far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me.

It doesn't for me :-(

I sweat a lot and smell a lot. I use deodorants made by men in white
coats
and they work.

Me too.
Though I will admit to recently finding the discovery of Safeway own-brand
deodorant, at 49p each very welcome.
I can tell no functional difference between this and the 2.50+ ones, once
the perfumes of both have worn off in a couple of hours.

This is where genetic engineering could be really handy.
Pit bacteria with a floral scent.
One application, and you smell good for life.

That's the only good use for gm I've heard ...

Mary

"IMM" wrote in message
...


Safeway is now Morrison.

No! Realy?

Well I never.

Mary

"D.M. Procida" wrote
| I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of
| cotton wool) on those days when I think I'm likely to get
| hot and sticky, and so far it seems to be efficacious, even
| if I do smell a bit disinfected at times. Are there any
| alternatives? I've heard rubbing alcohol mentioned,
| but I've no idea what it is or where to get it form.

"Surgical Spirit" from a chemist. They may look at you suspiciously if you
buy it in the same sort of quantities that some people buy mineral water
(they assume you are buying it for imbibing).

I've just compared the ingredients of my Tesco Deodorant Body Spray vs Sure.
The body spray is (*ane propellants aside) alcohol denat, water and parfum.
So it's basically nice-smelling alcohol, with none of the aluminium
chlorwhatsit that sticks to skin and clothing. I suspect it would be more
acceptable than TCP which, despite its undoubted utility in the antiseptic
department, might be unflatteringly compared with sheepdip so far as aroma
is concerned.

Owain

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:21:29 +0100, "IMM" strung
together this:

Safeway is now Morrison.

And you're a thick ****, what's your next astoundingly stupid comment
with no particular relevance to anything then?
--

SJW
A.C.S. Ltd

In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them.

Good sentiments IMHO

The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I don't have a problem.

I can't speak for those around me


I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives? I've heard rubbing alcohol mentioned,
but I've no idea what it is or where to get it form.

Are you being oversensitive?

It might be worthwhile asking other people who are in relatively close
contact with you for an honest opinion, you could also ask them if you
smell

--
geoff

In message , Ian
Stirling writes
Mary Fisher wrote:

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
snip
I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives?

I've been using Pitrok for several years now. It's a crystal rock which
you apply to wet skin. It claims not to block pores but to create an
environment unpleasant for the whiff-producing bacteria. It certainly
seems to work for me.

It doesn't for me :-(

I sweat a lot and smell a lot. I use deodorants made by men in white coats
and they work.

Me too.
Though I will admit to recently finding the discovery of Safeway own-brand
deodorant, at 49p each very welcome.
I can tell no functional difference between this and the 2.50+ ones, once
the perfumes of both have worn off in a couple of hours.

This is where genetic engineering could be really handy.
Pit bacteria with a floral scent.
One application, and you smell good for life.

I trust that smellnet will be banned when it arrives in line with
binaries
pooooooooooo

--
geoff

In message , Pet
writes
Simple lesson on B.O.

Sweat doesn't smell!

It's the bacteria that feeds off sweat that starts to grow after around
14 hours or so.

So, to stop stinking and making everyone around you feel like vomiting
when you exude your pungent stench, take your shower in the morning,
not at night.

What each June 23rd?

I can't see the difference whether it's morning or evening


That way, you are not smelly during the day when you are going to meet
people; and who cares if you start to pong later in the evening, you'll
be at your smelliest while you're asleep.

Who cares?


As for wearing yesterdays sweat soaked clothes, is it any wonder they
reek like skunks rectum... sorry, "oudour glands" this is the 21
century, people have things like automatic washing machines and tumble
driers. there is absolutely NO reason for wearing the same clotes day
after day.

Good - I'll send you my clothes to wash


Perhaps they should teach elementary personal hygiene at schools along
with english and maths!

No, maybe we need a sense of proportion here

--
geoff (WHO IS TAKING THE **** FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT)

In message , Lurch
writes
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:21:29 +0100, "IMM" strung
together this:

Safeway is now Morrison.

And you're a thick ****, what's your next astoundingly stupid comment
with no particular relevance to anything then?

Don't encourage him

He'll start using his CSE in domestic science in a minute

--
geoff

"Lurch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:21:29 +0100, "IMM" strung
together this:

Safeway is now Morrison.

And you're a thick ****, what's your next astoundingly stupid comment
with no particular relevance to anything then?

Do you mean Safeway are now not Morrison's, with different stock to Safeway?
Every Safeway store was/is being stripped of its stock and replaced by
Morrison's stock.

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"IMM" wrote in message
...


Safeway is now Morrison.

No! Realy?

Well I never.

Mary, by gum it is. That cheapo will disappear.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them.

Good sentiments IMHO

The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I don't have a problem.

Oh Maxie! Spherical people sweat and smell a lot. Everyone knows that.

raden wrote:


So, to stop stinking and making everyone around you feel like vomiting
when you exude your pungent stench, take your shower in the morning,
not at night.


What each June 23rd?

If you're a student then yes, probabally just the once is all you'll
manage, but don't worry, the rest of your student chums will smell just
as bad and no one will be any the wiser.

I can't see the difference whether it's morning or evening

Which part of "You start to stink after 14 hrs" don't you understand?
Of course, if you work night shifts, then shower in the evening BEFORE
you go to work. thats WORK! Something, like personal hygiene, you may
not be familiar with.

That way, you are not smelly during the day when you are going to meet
people; and who cares if you start to pong later in the evening,
you'll be at your smelliest while you're asleep.


Who cares?

not me, not as long as I never have to be around you during the day.

As for wearing yesterdays sweat soaked clothes, is it any wonder they
reek like skunks rectum... sorry, "oudour glands" this is the 21
century, people have things like automatic washing machines and tumble
driers. there is absolutely NO reason for wearing the same clotes day
after day.


Good - I'll send you my clothes to wash

You ARE Student!

maybe we need a sense of proportion here

Well, I'm 6'2" weigh 15 stone and don't smell,

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In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them.

Good sentiments IMHO

The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I don't have a problem.

Oh Maxie! Spherical people sweat and smell a lot. Everyone knows that.

Don't come to me with your problems

--
geoff

IMM wrote:

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net...

"IMM" wrote in message
...


Safeway is now Morrison.

No! Realy?

Well I never.

Mary, by gum it is. That cheapo will disappear.

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

In message , Pet
writes
raden wrote:

That way, you are not smelly during the day when you are going to
meet people; and who cares if you start to pong later in the
evening, you'll be at your smelliest while you're asleep.
Who cares?

not me, not as long as I never have to be around you during the day.

As for wearing yesterdays sweat soaked clothes, is it any wonder
they reek like skunks rectum... sorry, "oudour glands" this is the
21 century, people have things like automatic washing machines and
tumble driers. there is absolutely NO reason for wearing the same
clotes day after day.
Good - I'll send you my clothes to wash

You ARE Student!

maybe we need a sense of proportion here

Well, I'm 6'2" weigh 15 stone and don't smell,

As long as you don't try on my clothes after you've washed them, who
cares?


--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , IMM writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message
,
D.M. Procida writes
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never
needed
or used them.

Good sentiments IMHO

The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block
the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant
whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I don't have a problem.

Oh Maxie! Spherical people sweat and smell a lot. Everyone knows that.

Don't come to me with your problems

If you were around your smelliness would be a problem, so buy a couple of
gallons of anti-spherical person spray. Better still buy a vat of it.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:08:10 GMT, raden wrote:



I trust that smellnet will be banned when it arrives in line with
binaries
pooooooooooo


All of which reminds me of the Swedish pharmacy sketch (can't remember
who did it) but requires to be read with Swedish accent:

Customer: "I would like some deodorant please"

Pharmacist: "Ball or aerosol"

Customer: "Neither. I want it for under my arms"


..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

raden wrote:

I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives? I've heard rubbing alcohol mentioned,
but I've no idea what it is or where to get it form.

Are you being oversensitive?

I'm not bothered about the smell of TCP - it's pleasant enough - but I
would like the option of not smelling of it.

It might be worthwhile asking other people who are in relatively close
contact with you for an honest opinion, you could also ask them if you
smell

There are people around me who don't need to be asked, including one
whose sense of smell has been at science-fiction levels of sensitivity
ever since she was pregnant eight years ago...

Daniele
--
Apple Juice Ltd
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk
Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140

In article , Andy Hall
writes
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:08:10 GMT, raden wrote:



I trust that smellnet will be banned when it arrives in line with
binaries
pooooooooooo


All of which reminds me of the Swedish pharmacy sketch (can't remember
who did it) but requires to be read with Swedish accent:

It was Alas Smith and Jones.

Customer: "I would like some deodorant please"

Pharmacist: "Ball or aerosol"

Customer: "Neither. I want it for under my arms"

(I think it was actually "I want it for my armpit"; the rhythm works
better with the accent)

I always did like that one. Thanks for the memory!
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of
stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

Morrison does sell the excellent Orchard Grove organic orange juice which is
the only one we drink and has a far superior flavour to anything else we've
ever tried. Yes, it's expensive but you get what you pay for - food is the
last thing to economise on.

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:

Morrison does sell the excellent Orchard Grove organic orange juice which is
the only one we drink and has a far superior flavour to anything else we've
ever tried. Yes, it's expensive but you get what you pay for - food is the
last thing to economise on.

No, I think parachutes are the last thing to economise on. Or aircraft
maintenance.

Daniele
--
Apple Juice Ltd
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk
Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:50:26 +0100, D.M. Procida wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote:

Morrison does sell the excellent Orchard Grove organic orange juice which is
the only one we drink and has a far superior flavour to anything else we've
ever tried. Yes, it's expensive but you get what you pay for - food is the
last thing to economise on.

No, I think parachutes are the last thing to economise on. Or aircraft
maintenance.

You're both wrong - it's toilet paper. :^)

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of
stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

It's not downmarket either.....in quality.

No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

Like most, if not all. Most supermarkets have similar lines anyway. It is a
matter of getting the cheapest of the big supermarkets, and Morrison's is
the cheapest. Most people only go to the local big supermarket, so location
determines where most people shop. If the local is a Morrison's then you are
lucky.

"D.M. Procida" wrote in
message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

Morrison does sell the excellent Orchard Grove organic orange juice
which is
the only one we drink and has a far superior flavour to anything else
we've
ever tried. Yes, it's expensive but you get what you pay for - food is
the
last thing to economise on.

No, I think parachutes are the last thing to economise on. Or aircraft
maintenance.

Only if you use them. We have to eat.

:-)

Mary

Daniele
--
Apple Juice Ltd
Chapter Arts Centre
Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk
Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140

"D.M. Procida" wrote in
message
...
I've never got on well with deodorants, and have generally never needed
or used them. The more I use them the more I find I need to be
deodorised, so I avoid them (I think it might be because they block the
pores or something like that). I sweat as much as anyone else, but it
usually doesn't smell stale. Sometimes it does have an unpleasant whiff,
which is hard to shift. Thorough washing with soap and water often
doesn't seem to help much.

I've started using TCP (rubbed on with a little wad on of cotton wool)
on those days when I think I'm likely to get hot and sticky, and so far
it seems to be efficacious, even if I do smell a bit disinfected at
times. Are there any alternatives? I've heard rubbing alcohol mentioned,
but I've no idea what it is or where to get it form.



The rubbing alcohols that I have come across have been West Indian - Bay Rum
and Alcolada.

Ran out of Bay Rum ages ago, but still use the Alcolada Glacial occasionally
after shaving (yeah, I know, it's reckoned that astringents should be
avoided, but by god they work...). They're a bit fierce, but hey, some
people pay good money for pain like that!

Don't know where to get them here (got mine in Dominica a few years ago) but
I'm sure I have seen them in shops that sell a lot of W.I. produce.

--
Richard Sampson

mail me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:47:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of
stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

It's not downmarket either.....in quality.

It's a dreadful place. I looked in a Safeway recently and almost all
of their own brand of quality items had been removed and replaced with
cheap Morrisons branded rubbish - they now have two cheap brand lines.
The "fresh" produce, which was not great at Safeway, is now abysmal.

The car park, which used to be quite full, is now practically empty
most of the time as people have voted with their feet.


No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

Like most, if not all. Most supermarkets have similar lines anyway. It is a
matter of getting the cheapest of the big supermarkets, and Morrison's is
the cheapest. Most people only go to the local big supermarket, so location
determines where most people shop. If the local is a Morrison's then you are
lucky.

You are?

Fortunately I have four alternatives, all of whom continue to have
their own quality lines as well as a broad selection of national
brands.

..andy

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Mary Fisher wrote:

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
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nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of
stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

Morrison does sell the excellent Orchard Grove organic orange juice which is
the only one we drink and has a far superior flavour to anything else we've
ever tried. Yes, it's expensive but you get what you pay for - food is the
last thing to economise on.

Not sure I'd completely agree.

The safeway concentrated orange juice was acceptable, to the extent that
I'd often get through 1-2l/day (made up).

There is a threshold at which I'd rather not have something, and just
eat potatos (or whatever) if the quality is too bad.

For example, there is an excellent local pie shop, that does a puff-pastry
large steak pie.
Aldi do one for half the price, but it doesn't compare.
I'd much rather have the really nice one half as often.

For some things, I don't appreciate the difference.
For example, you can trivially find a factor of 2-3 difference in
price on various sorts of potatos, for the same variety.
If they aren't rotten, and are in reasonable condition, there isn't
usually a 2-3 times difference in taste.

For some things, tomatos for example, carefully selecting among the
cheaper lines can often get you a taste approaching the more expensive
ones.

Buying on lowest price alone is not generally a good idea - but neither
is buying solely on highest price.

And sometimes, public perception does not match your own.
For example, occasionally I'll see the shop-stackers disposing of
'overripe' banannas, and purchase a carrier-bag full for pennies.
Yumm.

Brown patches on the skin - as long as there is no bruising or
frosting that caused it, mean that the bananna is really, really tasty.
Of course it will rapidly go mushy if not kept in the fridge, but I
like them so much that that does not happen.

"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:

Buying on lowest price alone is not generally a good idea - but neither
is buying solely on highest price.

Agreed. I didn't say that it was - I said that food was the last thing to
economise on.

Quality is more important than price no matter what.

We - the Fishers - will economise on clothes, car, leisure activities and
almost anything you can think of - but not food and drink. Eating and
drinkiing well is far more important to us than anything else, we spend a
lot of time on it and it is, after all, what makes us.

So saying, our food bill is probably less than most people's because we grow
much of what we eat, make a huge proportion and buy most other things
directly from producers. That way we KNOW the quality even though I suspect
that we pay less than we would if we shopped in supermarkets.

Mary

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:54:18 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:

Buying on lowest price alone is not generally a good idea - but neither
is buying solely on highest price.

Agreed. I didn't say that it was - I said that food was the last thing to
economise on.

Quality is more important than price no matter what.

We - the Fishers - will economise on clothes, car, leisure activities and
almost anything you can think of - but not food and drink. Eating and
drinkiing well is far more important to us than anything else, we spend a
lot of time on it and it is, after all, what makes us.

Hi,

You probably don't economise on food because you can afford not to.
I'd rather eat cheaper food than shiver in the winter because the
heating is too low, I'd even eat cheaper food than have poor bedding
and seating and end up with permanent back pain.

As for quality getting the last 5% of quality available can be quite
expensive and not always necessary.

cheers,
Pete.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:47:11 +0100, "IMM" wrote:


"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
nog wrote:
On 26 Aug 2004 23:00:19 GMT, Ian Stirling wrote:

Unfortunately, this is one case where I agree that this is likely.
The acceptable cheap orange juice they did has already gone out of
stock,
replaced by the horribly plasticy 'robinsons'.

Morrison's isn't exactly up-market.

It's not downmarket either.....in quality.

It's a dreadful place. I looked in a Safeway recently and almost all
of their own brand of quality items had been removed and replaced with
cheap Morrisons branded rubbish - they now have two cheap brand lines.
The "fresh" produce, which was not great at Safeway, is now abysmal.

The car park, which used to be quite full, is now practically empty
most of the time as people have voted with their feet.


No, but they seem to be killing off some safeway lines.

Like most, if not all. Most supermarkets have similar lines anyway. It is
a
matter of getting the cheapest of the big supermarkets, and Morrison's is
the cheapest. Most people only go to the local big supermarket, so
location
determines where most people shop. If the local is a Morrison's then you
are
lucky.

You are?

Fortunately I have four alternatives, all of whom continue to have
their own quality lines as well as a broad selection of national
brands.

I know of Lidl, Aldi and Netto, who is the other one?

"Pete C" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 17:54:18 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Ian Stirling" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

Buying on lowest price alone is not generally a good idea - but neither
is buying solely on highest price.

Agreed. I didn't say that it was - I said that food was the last thing to
economise on.

Quality is more important than price no matter what.

We - the Fishers - will economise on clothes, car, leisure activities and
almost anything you can think of - but not food and drink. Eating and
drinkiing well is far more important to us than anything else, we spend a
lot of time on it and it is, after all, what makes us.

Hi,

You probably don't economise on food because you can afford not to.

Our income is far less than the national average.

I'd rather eat cheaper food than shiver in the winter because the
heating is too low,

You can put on more clothing, as we do.

I'd even eat cheaper food than have poor bedding

?

and seating and end up with permanent back pain.

We only sit at the table, at mealtimes - and at the computer. Our other
chairs are redundant except for family occasions.

As for quality getting the last 5% of quality available can be quite
expensive and not always necessary.

Not if you grow/make your own and buy direct rather than making more profits
for the already rich.

Mary