The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

In article , Timegoesby wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Timegoesby
wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.

In article , Imm wrote:
I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist
people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them.
They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these
days. Very true.

But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is
that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it
becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than
exceptional.

So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to
discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests
to sort out the A grade people from one another. I know that given a
chance politicians would promise an educational system where everyone
gets better than average marks but the reality is that only 10% of
people are in the top 10%. Giving A grades to a much larger number
just devalues the achievement those of any class who have got really
good marks.

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In article , Imm wrote:
I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist
people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them.
They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these
days. Very true.

But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is
that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it
becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than
exceptional.

I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must
be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria
must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90%
meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good.

So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to
discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests
to sort out the A grade people from one another.

The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private fee
paying kids get in.

IMM wrote:

I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must
be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria
must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90%
meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good.

I think you are mising the point. The makers of the appliances wish to
sell more of them. Energy use is one sales tool thay have at their
disposal. When only a few met the "A" standard - those few would make a
big show of the fact so as to get differntiation in the marketplace. Now
many can reach the standard, the makers need another way of making their
products stand out from the crowd. A+ etc is the way they do it.

If however the government stated that all appliances should reach a
particular "standard", but the standards testing body then (for whatever
reason) kept lowering the actual standard they measure against, it would
appear more appliances could reach the required "standard" that was in
actual fact the case. This I am sure even you would accept would be a
cause for concern.


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"IMM" wrote
| The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private
| fee paying kids get in.

Comparing the ratios of state:independent applicants and state:independent
students, Oxford takes disproportionately greater numbers of students from
the state sector than its applicants would suggest it should.

The only 'private fee paying kids' at British universities are those from
outside the EU.

Owain

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Imm wrote:
I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist
people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them.
They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these
days. Very true.

But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is
that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it
becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than
exceptional.

I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must
be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria
must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90%
meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good.

Compared with what, if the standard goes down


So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to
discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests
to sort out the A grade people from one another.

The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private fee
paying kids get in.

The IMM chip on his shoulder shines through like a beacon in the fog

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IMM wrote:

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

I expect that there is much the same proportion of brainy people out
there now, as there was a few years ago. IQ being a standard bell curve
distribution and all.

The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.

It think you will find the primary concern is that the exams might not
be as difficult as they once were. This has little to do with class,
since it devalues the achievement of all the pupils, and the merit of
the qualification for all, irrespective of class.

As an aside, while in a bookshop the other day, I picked up some of the
text books for A level computer science (or ICT as they call it these
days). I was a little disappointed to see that depth each topic was
explored to was almost trivial in comparison to what I would have
expected to see at A level. In fact it was somewhat less than that which
was expected of us when we did O level - let alone A level (in 1985/6).

While I accept this is not a scientific study, and has only has a sample
set of one, I can see why parents, employers and universitys are worried.

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"John Rumm" wrote
| It think you will find the primary concern is that the exams might not
| be as difficult as they once were. This has little to do with class,
| since it devalues the achievement of all the pupils, and the merit of
| the qualification for all, irrespective of class.

During the last "That'll Teach 'Em" series, I was thinking how similar my
education had been (in a rather backwards, academically demanding, but
otherwise useless school) in the 1980s to that of the 1950s.

I have proof-read BA dissertations written in English that I would have been
ashamed to submit as O level homework.

There's a second series set in a Secondary Modern starting later tonight.

| As an aside, while in a bookshop the other day, I picked up some of the
| text books for A level computer science (or ICT as they call it these
| days). I was a little disappointed to see that depth each topic was
| explored to was almost trivial in comparison to what I would have
| expected to see at A level. In fact it was somewhat less than that which
| was expected of us when we did O level - let alone A level (in 1985/6).

That's because it's probably not real Computing Science - it's an A Level in
Using Microsoft Proprietary Applications.

| ... universitys

Ahem :-)

Owain

Owain wrote:


| ... universitys

Ahem :-)

Yes quite - oops!

(it looked wrong as I typed it - but the odd thing was, the spell
checker was happy with it, since it is a valid american spelling I presume)

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , Timegoesby
wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show
that the education system is working

Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader


The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.


Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ?

My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did
mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to
make a pass compared to when I was at university

--
geoff

"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM writes

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Timegoesby
wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are
A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't
accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show
that the education system is working

Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader


The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.


Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ?

My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did
mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to
make a pass compared to when I was at university

I doubt it Maxie. The old fatties always say that.

"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM writes

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Timegoesby
wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are
A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't
accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show
that the education system is working

Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader


The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.


Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ?

My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did
mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to
make a pass compared to when I was at university

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geoff

Maybe you are just very intelligent?

"P.Kyle esquire" wrote in message
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"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM writes

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Timegoesby
wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they
are
A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which
is
the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they
consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too
vague. Is this rating now out of date?

Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard
operating
conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year
because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see

I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people
for
ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't
accept
that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true.

Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show
that the education system is working

Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader

The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the
working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.

Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ?

My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did
mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to
make a pass compared to when I was at university

Maybe you are just very intelligent?

Of course Maxi is intelligent, he know all about things.

In message , P.Kyle esquire
writes

Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show
that the education system is working

Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader


The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working
class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic.


Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ?

My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did
mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to
make a pass compared to when I was at university

--
geoff

Maybe you are just very intelligent?

Me?



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"raden" wrote
| Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to
| show that the education system is working

s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working

Owain

"Owain" wrote in message
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"raden" wrote

| Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to
| show that the education system is working

s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working

Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings?