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Best energy appliance
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A
plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? |
In article , Timegoesby wrote:
The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see http://www.mtprog.com/approvedbriefi...tUniqu eID=83 -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Timegoesby wrote: The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. |
IMM wrote:
I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. I expect that there is much the same proportion of brainy people out there now, as there was a few years ago. IQ being a standard bell curve distribution and all. The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. It think you will find the primary concern is that the exams might not be as difficult as they once were. This has little to do with class, since it devalues the achievement of all the pupils, and the merit of the qualification for all, irrespective of class. As an aside, while in a bookshop the other day, I picked up some of the text books for A level computer science (or ICT as they call it these days). I was a little disappointed to see that depth each topic was explored to was almost trivial in comparison to what I would have expected to see at A level. In fact it was somewhat less than that which was expected of us when we did O level - let alone A level (in 1985/6). While I accept this is not a scientific study, and has only has a sample set of one, I can see why parents, employers and universitys are worried. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Imm wrote: I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than exceptional. I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests to sort out the A grade people from one another. The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private fee paying kids get in. |
IMM wrote:
I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. I think you are mising the point. The makers of the appliances wish to sell more of them. Energy use is one sales tool thay have at their disposal. When only a few met the "A" standard - those few would make a big show of the fact so as to get differntiation in the marketplace. Now many can reach the standard, the makers need another way of making their products stand out from the crowd. A+ etc is the way they do it. If however the government stated that all appliances should reach a particular "standard", but the standards testing body then (for whatever reason) kept lowering the actual standard they measure against, it would appear more appliances could reach the required "standard" that was in actual fact the case. This I am sure even you would accept would be a cause for concern. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
In article , Imm wrote:
I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than exceptional. So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests to sort out the A grade people from one another. I know that given a chance politicians would promise an educational system where everyone gets better than average marks but the reality is that only 10% of people are in the top 10%. Giving A grades to a much larger number just devalues the achievement those of any class who have got really good marks. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm |
"IMM" wrote
| The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private | fee paying kids get in. Comparing the ratios of state:independent applicants and state:independent students, Oxford takes disproportionately greater numbers of students from the state sector than its applicants would suggest it should. The only 'private fee paying kids' at British universities are those from outside the EU. Owain |
"John Rumm" wrote
| It think you will find the primary concern is that the exams might not | be as difficult as they once were. This has little to do with class, | since it devalues the achievement of all the pupils, and the merit of | the qualification for all, irrespective of class. During the last "That'll Teach 'Em" series, I was thinking how similar my education had been (in a rather backwards, academically demanding, but otherwise useless school) in the 1980s to that of the 1950s. I have proof-read BA dissertations written in English that I would have been ashamed to submit as O level homework. There's a second series set in a Secondary Modern starting later tonight. | As an aside, while in a bookshop the other day, I picked up some of the | text books for A level computer science (or ICT as they call it these | days). I was a little disappointed to see that depth each topic was | explored to was almost trivial in comparison to what I would have | expected to see at A level. In fact it was somewhat less than that which | was expected of us when we did O level - let alone A level (in 1985/6). That's because it's probably not real Computing Science - it's an A Level in Using Microsoft Proprietary Applications. | ... universitys Ahem :-) Owain |
Owain wrote:
| ... universitys Ahem :-) Yes quite - oops! (it looked wrong as I typed it - but the odd thing was, the spell checker was happy with it, since it is a valid american spelling I presume) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"Owain" wrote in message ... "IMM" wrote | The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private | fee paying kids get in. Comparing the ratios of state:independent applicants and state:independent students, Oxford takes disproportionately greater numbers of students from the state sector than its applicants would suggest it should. The only 'private fee paying kids' at British universities are those from outside the EU. "fee paying" meaning fee paying schools, which account for about 5% of the school population, yet 50% of Oxbridge is from "fee paying" schools. Seems out of balance eh? |
John Rumm wrote:
Owain wrote: | ... universitys Ahem :-) Yes quite - oops! (it looked wrong as I typed it - but the odd thing was, the spell checker was happy with it, since it is a valid american spelling I presume) Not in any American dictionary I've seen. Sheila |
S Viemeister wrote:
Not in any American dictionary I've seen. Try this one then:- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=universitys -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Timegoesby wrote: The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show that the education system is working Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ? My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to make a pass compared to when I was at university I doubt it Maxie. The old fatties always say that. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Imm wrote: I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than exceptional. I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests to sort out the A grade people from one another. The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private fee paying kids get in. The IMM chip on his shoulder shines through like a beacon in the fog Maxie, you are at it again. You are now on about beacons. When will you stop? |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Timegoesby wrote: The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show that the education system is working Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ? My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to make a pass compared to when I was at university -- geoff Maybe you are just very intelligent? |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Timegoesby wrote: The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show that the education system is working Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ? My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to make a pass compared to when I was at university -- geoff |
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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Imm wrote: I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. But the point - for A-levels and appliance energy rating labels - is that once you reach a stage where (say) 25% of ratings are 'A' it becomes far less meaningful, denoting better than average rather than exceptional. I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down So with appliances you then have to have A+ and A++ grades to discriminate and universities start setting their own aptitude tests to sort out the A grade people from one another. The uni tests, predominately Oxbridge, are to make sure the private fee paying kids get in. The IMM chip on his shoulder shines through like a beacon in the fog -- geoff |
"P.Kyle esquire" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... In article , Timegoesby wrote: The energy rating on appliances is A for the best. Some say they are A plus, which means they go much further. How do I get to know which is the best energy appliance on the market and how much power they consume in real pounds figures per ann? The A, B, C rating is too vague. Is this rating now out of date? Usually the label has a predicted consumption under standard operating conditions. The A+ and A++ ratings have apparently come in this year because too many appliances got A (shades of school exams?) - see I read on the Teletext that some minister was slagging elitist people for ribbing the A levels because lots of people passed them. They can't accept that there are many brainy people about these days. Very true. Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show that the education system is working Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ? My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to make a pass compared to when I was at university Maybe you are just very intelligent? Of course Maxi is intelligent, he know all about things. |
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I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays -- geoff |
In message , P.Kyle esquire
writes Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to show that the education system is working Wake up at the back and look at your glorious leader The ones who gripe are mainly middle classy types upset that the working class kids can do better than their kids. Pathetic. Would you like to back that up with something, e.g. facts ? My son's "A" level physics course had a lot less depth than when I did mine and his final year project (he got a 2.1) might have struggled to make a pass compared to when I was at university -- geoff Maybe you are just very intelligent? Me? -- geoff |
John Rumm wrote:
S Viemeister wrote: Not in any American dictionary I've seen. Try this one then:- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=universitys Did you actually _read_ that page? It lists 'university', and indicates that the plural is 'universities'. Sheila |
John Rumm wrote:
Yup you are right it does, although it also has the "unconventional" (i.e. wrong) spelling I used as an entry point. It is also in the Mozilla UK English dictionary. Not suggesting it ought to be - just found it odd that it was. Very odd, indeed. Sheila |
S Viemeister wrote:
John Rumm wrote: S Viemeister wrote: Not in any American dictionary I've seen. Try this one then:- http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=universitys Did you actually _read_ that page? It lists 'university', and indicates that the plural is 'universities'. Yup you are right it does, although it also has the "unconventional" (i.e. wrong) spelling I used as an entry point. It is also in the Mozilla UK English dictionary. Not suggesting it ought to be - just found it odd that it was. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
"raden" wrote
| Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Owain |
"Owain" wrote in message
... "raden" wrote | Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? |
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:48 +0100, "IMM" wrote:
"Owain" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote | Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? Take a look at GCSE and A level exam papers and compare with those of a generation ago. The fall in standards is depressingly obvious. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
Andy Hall wrote:
Take a look at GCSE and A level exam papers and compare with those of a generation ago. The fall in standards is depressingly obvious. If anyone has kids doing A levels now, it would be quite interesting if they could post up some example questions from recent past papers. I am sure I still have Computer Science and Physics papers knocking about from the mid 80's that I could dig out for comparison. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
The point is the A level has ceased to be 'this means this guy is
intelligent - possibly in the top 5%' and now means 'this guy is not educationally subnormal, and is, like 25% of his age group, capable of jumping through a fairly dull and easily learnt set of hoops'. |
"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:48 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Owain" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote | Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? Take a look at GCSE and A level exam papers and compare with those of a generation ago. The fall in standards is depressingly obvious. Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? |
"IMM" wrote in message ... "Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:48 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Owain" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote | Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? Take a look at GCSE and A level exam papers and compare with those of a generation ago. The fall in standards is depressingly obvious. Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? A number of universities give their incoming students the same exams each year and have noticed a year-on-year decline in their scores, to the extent that they have introduced remedial classes to their 1st years to bring them up to the A level standard that prevailed when the undergraduate course was designed. York and Warwick keep suggesting themselves to me. Neil |
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:01:43 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:24:48 +0100, "IMM" wrote: "Owain" wrote in message ... "raden" wrote | Kids haven't suddenly got brainier, there's a political drive to | show that the education system is working s/ ^^ / hide the fact that the education system isn't working Any proof of this, or is this just inane ramblings? Take a look at GCSE and A level exam papers and compare with those of a generation ago. The fall in standards is depressingly obvious. We noted this when I was doing A levels nearly 30 years ago, that papers were getting bit easier. Although that might also have been due to some slight syllabus changes. We also noted that there was a small but detectable differences between exam boards (JMB hardest and NU easiest IIRC). -- Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter. The FAQ for uk.diy is at www.diyfaq.org.uk Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. In what, and from where ? An honours degree. It was supposed to be difficult then, so all the older timers are saying attempting to make out they are brainier. Maxie I hope you don't do that. |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. In what, and from where ? -- geoff |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. In what, and from where ? An honours degree. It was supposed to be difficult then, so all the older timers are saying attempting to make out they are brainier. Maxie I hope you don't do that. As I said ... in what (discipline) and from where (by which I meant from which university) a simple factual reply would suffice -- geoff |
"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. In what, and from where ? An honours degree. It was supposed to be difficult then, so all the older timers are saying attempting to make out they are brainier. Maxie I hope you don't do that. As I said ... in what (discipline) and from where (by which I meant from which university) a simple factual reply would suffice Maxie, a factual reply: An honours degree. |
IMM wrote:
Maxie, a factual reply: An honours degree. You forgot to include the url for the web site where you bought it. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes "raden" wrote in message ... In message , IMM writes I don't accept that. If say the government stated that all appliances must be super efficient and 90% met them, then according to you, the criteria must be moved so only a small %age get an A. Strange logic indeed.If 90% meet the standard in education or whatever then 90% are good. Compared with what, if the standard goes down The standard has not gone down. Yes it has, even you might be able to get a degree nowadays Maxie, I got my honours degree in the good old days. In what, and from where ? An honours degree. It was supposed to be difficult then, so all the older timers are saying attempting to make out they are brainier. Maxie I hope you don't do that. As I said ... in what (discipline) and from where (by which I meant from which university) a simple factual reply would suffice Maxie, a factual reply: An honours degree. OK, a relevant reply then I asked, in what discipline and from where? I didn't actually ask what class of degree -- geoff |
"John Rumm" wrote in message ... IMM wrote: Maxie, a factual reply: An honours degree. You forgot to include the url for the web site where you bought it. Can you buy them? |
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