https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Rishi Sunak

Rishi Suna ?...can't be this country must be talking about wagga wagga
or some rat infested country ...

On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...

That will feck up all the fly men ...

On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


--

Roger Hayter

On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


that's not very nice...you are getting a bit stroppy ....

On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were
very anti-brexit.

On 04/03/2020 12:47, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed.Â*Â* Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get.Â* I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were
very anti-brexit.
me too ...

Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


that's not very nice...you are getting a bit stroppy ....

I shall do the laughing in front of the TV, not in person. I'm not
stupid.

--

Roger Hayter

newshound wrote:

On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were
very anti-brexit.

They tend to be rather conservative small businessmen. Round here they
blame the EU (in the face of considerable evidence to the contrary) for
*re-wilding* proposals that they suspect would make farmers into nature
reserve wardens.

--

Roger Hayter

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
And indeed anyone generating electricity off grid, and in some cases on
the grid

Just have to tank up with heating oil then


--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On 04/03/2020 13:25, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

Indeed. Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get. I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.


that's not very nice...you are getting a bit stroppy ....

I shall do the laughing in front of the TV, not in person. I'm not
stupid.

probably a good idea...suppose rallies will be cancelled this year.....

On 04/03/2020 12:47, newshound wrote:
I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were
very anti-brexit.

No, that is the impression created by the BBC.
In fact by and large farmers are neutral.
As long as they get state assistance to transition to whatever mix of
products makes a profit, they dont really care.

Chicken farmers will for example benefit as unhygienic rule breaking
east European chicken will be taxed . Lamb farmers may face tariff free
imports from New Zealand.

Arable farmers may or may not switch crops. Rape to meet Germany's
biodiesel commitments and field beans for Turkish houmous may give way
to malting barley for beer, and oats for vegans :-)

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.

It might encourage more of them to adopt the 'zero till'
method of growing crops, which reduces a lot of diesel usage.

Modern tractors have already reduced diesel usage because of
all the electronics and GPS that allow targetted application
of sprays and fertiliser rather than just splat every square
metre with the same amount.

Northern Ireland taxi drivers aren't going to like this either :-)

On 04/03/2020 11:23, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

It will distract the noise being made by the fishermen when they
are used as pawns (again) to keep the EU happy.

Andrew wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:23, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

It will distract the noise being made by the fishermen when they
are used as pawns (again) to keep the EU happy.

Prawns surely.

--
Chris Green
·

On 04/03/2020 12:47, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:

Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.

why not?..

Seems to be official UK Treasury policy now - we don't apparently need
farmers or fishermen if their special advisors hold sway.

https://www.independent.ie/business/...-39003338.html

They mostly voted for Brexit too and will be the first to be shafted.

Indeed.Â*Â* Anyone (except billionaires) who voted for Boris because they
were told to be scared of Corbyn deserves all they get.Â* I for one will
laugh at those queuing for foodbanks in Sunderland after voting for
Boris.

I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were
very anti-brexit.

No they are conservative little Englander types that like chasing foxes.
They do blame the EU for all sorts of strange things though.

The big boys who farm zillions of monoculture acres of cereal can do the
sums and were mostly pro-EU but the little guys who eke out a living on
the edge of the moors blamed the EU for just about everything. They will
likely see the price of lamb fall even further as a result of Brexit.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Well its about time they stopped this sort of thing as there is a lot of
fiddling going on. Far better to give those who need the use of a lot of it
a grant to get them over the hump of moving to a better fuel.

Brian

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:04:05 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Andrew wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:23, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:22, newshound wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...


Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.
why not?..

It will distract the noise being made by the fishermen when they
are used as pawns (again) to keep the EU happy.

Prawns surely.

Prawns in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEzET7n7lpc

Nick

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 04/03/2020 11:05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
Rishi Sunak

Rishi Suna ?...can't be this country must be talking about wagga wagga

Nope, we've never been stupid enough to have dyed
diesel for some diesel use. Just the one type of diesel
with a seasonal variation in the formulation.

or some rat infested country ...

They have to eat.

Dave Liquorice quoted:

Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty.

And I bet those city centre places selling red diesel to "legit honest
gov" customers close overnight.

newshound wrote:

Not just "**** Business", then. **** the farmers too.

I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers
(but not other users such as canal boats) quite surprised that 15% of
all diesel sales are red diesel ...

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:16:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile troll****

06:16??? And you've been up and trolling for OVER TWO HOURS already, yet
AGAIN!!! LOL

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/03/2020 12:47, newshound wrote:
I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would revert
to road rates. I thought that on the whole ordinary farmers were very
anti-brexit.

No, that is the impression created by the BBC.
In fact by and large farmers are neutral.
As long as they get state assistance to transition to whatever mix of
products makes a profit, they dont really care.

Chicken farmers will for example benefit as unhygienic rule breaking east
European chicken will be taxed .

Lamb farmers may face tariff free imports from New Zealand.

Lamb imports to the EU have always been tariff free.

Arable farmers may or may not switch crops. Rape to meet Germany's
biodiesel commitments and field beans for Turkish houmous may give way to
malting barley for beer, and oats for vegans :-)

--
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
gospel of envy.

Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:52:35 +1100, turnipt ****er, better known as
cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile asshole's latest troll****

06:52??? So you've been up and trolling for almost THREE HOURS, yet again,
you abnormal senile twit! LOL

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Andy Burns explained on 04/03/2020 :
I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers (but not
other users such as canal boats) quite surprised that 15% of all diesel sales
are red diesel ...

It's difficult to find a red diesel pump around here, for when I have
wanted some, so I guess much of it is delivered to tanks on company
premises where is is used.

on 04/03/2020, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) supposed :
Far better to give those who need the use of a lot of it a grant to get them
over the hump of moving to a better fuel.

There is no difference what-so-ever between red and white diesel, apart
from the red has a dye added to denote reduced duty rate.

On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:05:42 UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...

Be interesting how they handle cross-border issues. Like RoI's Green diesel..

Will NI people who are able cross to RoI to top up with Green?

Even if that is illegal, getting rid of Red would probably result in no, or almost no, HMRC/BF inspections and dipping.

On 05/03/2020 10:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns explained on 04/03/2020 :
I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers
(but not other users such as canal boats) quite surprised that 15% of
all diesel sales are red diesel ...

It's difficult to find a red diesel pump around here, for when I have
wanted some, so I guess much of it is delivered to tanks on company
premises where is is used.

Quite often you get it in drums from fuel oil suppliers, rather than "on
tap" so to speak.


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On 05/03/2020 12:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/03/2020 10:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns explained on 04/03/2020 :
I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers
(but not other users such as canal boats) quite surprised that 15% of
all diesel sales are red diesel ...

It's difficult to find a red diesel pump around here, for when I have
wanted some, so I guess much of it is delivered to tanks on company
premises where is is used.

Quite often you get it in drums from fuel oil suppliers, rather than "on
tap" so to speak.



Strangely enough there is a old filling stattion on the main A29
heading south of Horsham that has a red derv pump. Even their
electronic sign at the front shows the price. They do white
diesel and 4* too.

It's the only filling station that I have seen in recent years
selling it.

On 05/03/2020 10:27, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
on 04/03/2020, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) supposed :
Far better to give those who need the use of a lot of it a grant to
get them over the hump of moving to a better fuel.

There is no difference what-so-ever between red and white diesel, apart
from the red has a dye added to denote reduced duty rate.

In Northern Ireland even less difference, since 'washing out' the
red dye is widespread.

Andrew wrote:
On 05/03/2020 12:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/03/2020 10:24, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns explained on 04/03/2020 :
I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers
(but not other users such as canal boats) quite surprised that 15% of
all diesel sales are red diesel ...

It's difficult to find a red diesel pump around here, for when I have
wanted some, so I guess much of it is delivered to tanks on company
premises where is is used.

Quite often you get it in drums from fuel oil suppliers, rather than "on
tap" so to speak.



Strangely enough there is a old filling stattion on the main A29
heading south of Horsham that has a red derv pump. Even their
electronic sign at the front shows the price. They do white
diesel and 4* too.

It's the only filling station that I have seen in recent years
selling it.

The Morrisons in Ipswich has two red diesel pumps.

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On Thursday, March 5, 2020 at 11:30:43 AM UTC, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:05:42 UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51731757

"Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel
- so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract
a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total
diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in
revenue."

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7 p/l.

The reporting of these rumoured changes also hint that the freeze on
fuel duty may well end.

Think I might be filling the genset and paying a visit to the local
garage and to top up the jerry can and a 25 l drum or two...

Be interesting how they handle cross-border issues. Like RoI's Green diesel.

Will NI people who are able cross to RoI to top up with Green?

Even if that is illegal, getting rid of Red would probably result in no, or almost no, HMRC/BF inspections and dipping.

Some time back the EU decreed that pleasure craft could no longer use 'red/green' diesel.Problem was all the suppliers on Ireland's inland waterways only ever supplied red/green so the customs agreed private boaters could continue using red/green but once a year should report to the customs the quantity used and pony up the difference in the two tax rates. Yea right like that's going to happen.

Incidentally red and green diesel can both be washed.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:37 -0800 (PST), fred wrote:

Incidentally red and green diesel can both be washed.

The dye maybe, but there are other tracers or at least that is what
we are lead to believe. B-)

And don't forget yellow for 28sec kerosene aka paraffin, heating oil.

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Dave.

On 05/03/2020 13:59, Andrew wrote:
south of Horsham that has a red derv pump.

Bit of a contradiction there, Diesel Engined Road Vehicle pump with red
gas oil

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 19:37:15 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

I thought there was talk of a rebate scheme of some sort for farmers
(but not other users such as canal boats)

Not in anything I read.

... quite surprised that 15% of all diesel sales are red diesel ...

Yes it struck me as quite high but then anything diesel powered and
not licenced for road use probably runs on red. Construction
machinery and the like.

Anyway 55.1 l of red later and £49.54 lighter in the wallet I might
be £25.68 (£30.81 inc VAT) up next week. Which probably means the
duty won't go up on red or the duty freeze on road fuels removed.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 18:11:00 -0000, Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\) wrote:

Far better to give those who need the use of a lot of it a grant to get
them over the hump of moving to a better fuel.

Like what? I see no electric tractors, combine harvesters,
construction machinery...

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Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:47:33 +0000, newshound wrote:

Red disel current attracts 11.1 p/l duty. "Road" diesel 57.7
p/l.

I was sort of assuming that dropping the lower duty meant it would
revert to road rates.

That's what I'm expecting ie and increase of 46.6 p/l + VAT.

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Dave.

On 05/03/2020 16:02, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:31:06 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 07:21:37 -0800 (PST), fred wrote:

[quoted text muted]

The dye maybe, but there are other tracers or at least that is what we
are lead to believe. B-)

Tiniest traces of radioactive marker ?


no

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