On 16/03/2020 01:19, John Rumm wrote:

Is Linux free or do you have to buy it?

Can be either. You can get paid for supported versions and free
equivalents. Most home users would opt for a non paid one. Larger
corporates will often go for the paid versions because they have far
more proactive support and patch management (and the cost of the license
is only a small part of TCO in the bigger picture).

Linux is always free. You may elect to pay for a support contract, however.


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On 16/03/2020 03:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 01:19, John Rumm wrote:

Is Linux free or do you have to buy it?

Can be either. You can get paid for supported versions and free
equivalents. Most home users would opt for a non paid one. Larger
corporates will often go for the paid versions because they have far
more proactive support and patch management (and the cost of the
license is only a small part of TCO in the bigger picture).

Linux is always free. You may elect to pay for a support contract, however.

A semantic argument. You want RHEL or similar, you pay for it.


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On 16/03/2020 09:59, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/03/2020 03:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 01:19, John Rumm wrote:

Is Linux free or do you have to buy it?

Can be either. You can get paid for supported versions and free
equivalents. Most home users would opt for a non paid one. Larger
corporates will often go for the paid versions because they have far
more proactive support and patch management (and the cost of the
license is only a small part of TCO in the bigger picture).

Linux is always free. You may elect to pay for a support contract,
however.

A semantic argument. You want RHEL or similar, you pay for it.


A legal point. It is not Linux you are paying for.


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John Rumm wrote:

On 16/03/2020 03:24, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 01:19, John Rumm wrote:

Is Linux free or do you have to buy it?

Can be either. You can get paid for supported versions and free
equivalents. Most home users would opt for a non paid one. Larger
corporates will often go for the paid versions because they have far
more proactive support and patch management (and the cost of the
license is only a small part of TCO in the bigger picture).

Linux is always free. You may elect to pay for a support contract, however.

A semantic argument. You want RHEL or similar, you pay for it.

If you want RHEL and no support contract you get Centos for free. The
only things you don't get are paid-for services of one kind or another.


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I have 4 GB RAM.

It has been suggested that I install an SSD in the DVD drive slot, make that the run drive with the existing HDD as the slave or a USB? That so? Easy to do in set up?

Fitting the SSD is easy enough with a caddy frame for it, however it is the setup that is always gives problems.

Will the drivers work un a Linux (UNIX) type of OS. etc?

Also what version of Linux as there are many?

I have had a belly full of this Windows tripe. I have never had any version of Windows work properly over any length of time - they are all wonderfully fast when new, with performance becoming unworkable over time. All versions quickly became bad.

I suppose using Linux some apps can't be used, like WhatsApp web, etc. A small penalty though for a fast usable laptop.

Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop as there are so many?

On 16/03/2020 11:58, John wrote:
I have 4 GB RAM.

It has been suggested that I install an SSD in the DVD drive slot,
make that the run drive with the existing HDD as the slave or a USB?
That so? Easy to do in set up?


cant see why you would want to, but yes should be OK if it physically
fitrs., BUT it may confuse the BiOS


Fitting the SSD is easy enough with a caddy frame for it, however it
is the setup that is always gives problems.

Will the drivers work un a Linux (UNIX) type of OS. etc?


no drivers required. It will be a SATA interface. Issue may be in BIOS.


Also what version of Linux as there are many?

No, there is only one version of *linux*.
Manyt difgferent releaqses of te kernel, but tyat wont bother you.,


I have had a belly full of this Windows tripe. I have never had any
version of Windows work properly over any length of time - they are
all wonderfully fast when new, with performance becoming unworkable
over time. All versions quickly became bad.

I suppose using Linux some apps can't be used, like WhatsApp web,
etc. A small penalty though for a fast usable laptop.

I think whatsapp web works OK.

I would strongly advise you burn a DVD with a live linux and checck
that boots OK before you remove the DVD

I would further advise you to get a USB caddy for the existing drive nd
put the SSD in the laptop.

That's what I did and it worked smoothly


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Sorry WhatsApp web we is now available on Linux versions.

On 16/03/2020 12:02, John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop as there are so many?

Linux Mint MATE 64 bit latest version
I can support you on that...

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On 16/03/2020 12:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:02, John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop as
there are so many?

Linux Mint MATE 64 bit latest version
I can support you on that...

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=276


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I would strongly advise you burn a DVD with a live linux and checck
that boots OK before you remove the DVD

I have no DVD, only a slot, which can take an extar drive if I want.

I would further advise you to get a USB caddy for the existing drive nd
put the SSD in the laptop.

You lost me.

On 16/03/2020 11:58, John wrote:
I have 4 GB RAM.

It has been suggested that I install an SSD in the DVD drive slot, make that the run drive with the existing HDD as the slave or a USB? That so? Easy to do in set up?

Fitting the SSD is easy enough with a caddy frame for it, however it is the setup that is always gives problems.

Will the drivers work un a Linux (UNIX) type of OS. etc?

Also what version of Linux as there are many?

I have had a belly full of this Windows tripe. I have never had any version of Windows work properly over any length of time - they are all wonderfully fast when new, with performance becoming unworkable over time. All versions quickly became bad.

I suppose using Linux some apps can't be used, like WhatsApp web, etc. A small penalty though for a fast usable laptop.

life is too short to wait for windows 10 ...

On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 12:15:15 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:02, John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop as
there are so many?

Linux Mint MATE 64 bit latest version
I can support you on that...

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=276

Thanks.

What about sound drivers, etc?

On 16/03/2020 12:17, John wrote:
I would strongly advise you burn a DVD with a live linux and checck
that boots OK before you remove the DVD

I have no DVD, only a slot, which can take an extar drive if I want.
Ah.
Id put a DVD in it. Easier to boot/install from that. I thought all
lenovos had dvd drives in them


I would further advise you to get a USB caddy for the existing drive nd
put the SSD in the laptop.

You lost me.

You can get a drive enclosure so you can take the existing drive OUT
and turn it into a USB drive. Then put the SSD back in its place in the
laptop.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-Drive.../dp/B00B0RD2RA




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On 16/03/2020 12:19, John wrote:
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 12:15:15 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:02, John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop as
there are so many?

Linux Mint MATE 64 bit latest version
I can support you on that...

https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=276

Thanks.

What about sound drivers, etc?

All included.

MINT will give you out of the box everything you need except POSSIBLY
the best video drivers and the wifi drivers. Because these are 'non
free' but once the machine is up preferably on the internet via a CAT5
cable, you can launch the 'drivers' program that searches the hardware
and tells you what else you need. As long as you have an internet
connection it will then update itself to the suggestions if you click OK


I checked and it runs whatsapp web in firefox OK

The beauty of taking the existing drive out and making it a USB drive is
that you can copy data off it and even put it back in if all else goes
wrong.

TBH the default installation covers 99% of what you will probably need.
I install a few more multimedias apps and a few more desktop publishing
apps on the desktop, but the laptop is pure vanilla 19.3 mint these days
plus only VLC


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On 16/03/2020 12:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 12:17, John wrote:
I would strongly advise you burn a DVDÂ* with a live linux and checck
that boots OK before you remove the DVD

I have no DVD, only a slot, which can take an extar drive if I want.
Ah.
Id put a DVD in it. Easier to boot/install from that. I thought all
lenovos had dvd drives in them


I would further advise you to get a USB caddy for the existing drive nd
put the SSD in the laptop.

You lost me.

You can get a drive enclosure so you canÂ* take the existing drive OUT
and turn it into a USB drive. Then put the SSD back in its place in the
laptop.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-Drive.../dp/B00B0RD2RA





OK I did some more research. It is possible you don't have a DVD. and
you can install from usb drive by prepping the drive as seen here

https://linuxmint-installation-guide...test/burn.html

Then you will need to configure the Lenovo BIOS to boot legacy mode
(UEFI may work also) USB

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/p...tions/ht500207



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John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

#Paul

Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.
5. Download Linux Mint installing it on the USB SSD.
6. Ensure the machine can boot up from the USB SSD on Linux Mint.
7. Swap the HDD for the SSD.
8. Ensure the machine boots up from the SSD which is now in the same position as the older HDD which should be the boot up drive.
9. Done.
10. If problems the old HDD still has Windows 10 on it, so the machine can work if a problem with Linux Mint on the SSD.

Is that right?

On 16/03/2020 14:28, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.

Is that right?
No

1. Buy SSD
2. Buy external HDD holder
3. Buy pen drive (or external USB DVD drive - whatever)
4. Download linux image and put onto pen drive (Or DVD)
5. Change bios boot order and try booting from pen drive(or DVD)
Note at this point you haven't changed anything on the computers normal
settings or hardware.If booting successful then...
6. Take a screwdriver to the lenovo, remove hard drive and put that in
the external hdd holder.
7. Put the SSD in the lenovo
8. plug lenovo into network with cable
9. Boot and install linux on the SSD.
10. Run the package update software to get everything as new as can be
11. Use the drivers part of the control panel to get wifi and or video
working to best performance.
12. plug in the old disk and recover off it anything you need.




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Thanks.

I am foggy on this....

9. Boot and install linux on the SSD.

The machine boots up from a USB stick (pen drive).
The SSD is empty as it has just been swappped intohte HDDs location.
The Linux Mint image is on the UB stick.

So, just copy the image over from the USB stick drive onto the SSD?

On 16/03/2020 15:20, John wrote:
Thanks.

I am foggy on this....

9. Boot and install linux on the SSD.

The machine boots up from a USB stick (pen drive).
The SSD is empty as it has just been swappped intohte HDDs location.
The Linux Mint image is on the UB stick.

So, just copy the image over from the USB stick drive onto the SSD?

No.
When you boot Mint it actually boots a full blown linux that runs from
RAM and the boot media.

It has a preconfigured menu that allows you to either play with linux,
use it to do system hardware checks etc or install itself.
You just click on that option, tell it to use the whole disk, who you
are, where you are and it does everything else automagically.

Once installed it will allow you to do updates to latest patches and so on.


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On 16/03/2020 14:16, #Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

XFCE is a good choice BUT for a windows user I think MATE is instantly
more familiar.

I can assure you it works fine in 2GB RAM: The big hog is not the
desktop manager it is the likes of Firefox and Thunderbird.,

Mate was built over gnome, but IIRC its now running on the GTK toolkit
and is lighter weight as a result

Cinnamon is prettier, but I found it less functional than mate.
XFCE is a bit like going back to windows 3 in terms of a very plain flat
look

this is worth looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rWBjIyE9dw


#Paul





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On 16/03/2020 14:16, #Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

#Paul



This is also a very useful video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_70MApHaA


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On 16/03/2020 15:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 14:16, #Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

#Paul



This is also a very useful video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_70MApHaA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRE2rLdnFQ

is a very good walk through installation and early configuration


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On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:36:35 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 15:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 14:16, #Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

#Paul



This is also a very useful video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_70MApHaA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRE2rLdnFQ

is a very good walk through installation and early configuration

I used this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vq_v0oGPH8

I am up and running on only a USB which is infinitely faster than Windows 10.o change some things. Probably never did it right as some BIOS windows came up on boot up. All works irrespective, sound, graphics, WiFi, cable Internet, etc. Very surprised. I had to go intro the BIOS tI am a happy bunny. What it will be like on a SSD I await will eager anticipation. So some more setting up to do.

Can a normal Unix window using standard Unix commands be found?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
This is also a very useful video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_70MApHaA

Isn't there a man page? :-)

#Paul

On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 00:46:21 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 14/03/2020 16:15, alan_m wrote:
On 14/03/2020 15:06, John Rumm wrote:


Although if you are going to disable automatic checks, make sure that
you have an effective patching routine to ensure you are not running
applications with known critical vulnerabilities for extended periods
of time.


I take it you have never had the misfortune of working on a project and
when close to the deadline an automatic update results in a GUI change?

While I have had updates result in changes to UI features, I have not
had any show stopping incidents. I have however had machines in effect
deny service by deciding to do updates at unexpected times. Not so much
of an issue on a quick machine, but can be an issue if working on
ancient kit belonging to a customer etc.


Lucky you. My dual boot laptop is now borked as a result of 1909.

1) Booted into grub repair but nothing I could do work
2) Used Win10 media USB and got MBR repaired, booted into Windows but
no option for Linux
3) Tried Boot-repair and something ran that I didn't expect and I've
now lost my Linux partition (unallocated).

Fortunately I'm now having to curtail all my social and external
activities so have lots of time to sort it all out.

Please Mr m$oft - when you are going to do an update as I switch off
to go to bed tell me what your are going to wreck first. No wonder so
many resist any updates and my most reliable system remains this XP
that I'm now typing on - a Lenovo 3000-N100 if anyone wants to know,
purchased 01/10/2007




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On 16/03/2020 19:24, John wrote:
On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:36:35 PM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 15:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 16/03/2020 14:16, #Paul wrote:
John wrote:
Also, what is the best version of Linux for a Lenovo 310 laptop
as there are so many?

As you have seen, lots of people recommend Mint. I use Slackware
myself, but that's not suitable for everybody; although sometimes
Debian if it's not a machine I need to micromanage.

I am not familiar with Mint, but for a low powered laptop, the
choice of window manager can be important. I tend to recommend
xfce as one that will seem friendly enough but will not overtax
your system, as e.g. kde or gnome might.

#Paul



This is also a very useful video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_70MApHaA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRE2rLdnFQ

is a very good walk through installation and early configuration

I used this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vq_v0oGPH8

I am up and running on only a USB which is infinitely faster than Windows 10.o change some things. Probably never did it right as some BIOS windows came up on boot up. All works irrespective, sound, graphics, WiFi, cable Internet, etc. Very surprised. I had to go intro the BIOS tI am a happy bunny. What it will be like on a SSD I await will eager anticipation. So some more setting up to do.

Can a normal Unix window using standard Unix commands be found?

right click on desktop: select 'open in terminal'


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On 16/03/2020 11:58, John wrote:
I have 4 GB RAM.

It has been suggested that I install an SSD in the DVD drive slot,
make that the run drive with the existing HDD as the slave or a USB?
That so? Easy to do in set up?

Seems like an overly complex way of doing it. How large is the current
HDD? More to the point, how much space is actually being used on it?

I would normally just suggest that you clone the existing HDD onto the
SSD, then replace the HDD with the SSD. But after that you won't need
it. (you can keep it as a disaster recovery backup). (you can use a
simple USB to SATA adaptor to plug the new drive into the computer on a
short term basis to facilitate the copy - it does not need a complete
external caddy as such.

However if you are planning to replace windows entirely with a linux,
then just swap the drives, and boot the laptop from a USB thumb drive
with your chosen version of linux on it, and do a fresh install.

Fitting the SSD is easy enough with a caddy frame for it, however it
is the setup that is always gives problems.

Will the drivers work un a Linux (UNIX) type of OS. etc?

Usually - although it would be worth doing a search the model number to
see if others have had drivers issues. Most stuff works, but you can
sometimes get problems with things like laptop track pads.

Also what version of Linux as there are many?

Pick one of the well known ones, and you will have a better selection of
users to ask questions of. People here like mint, but loads of people
use Ubunto - however that might be a bit to big and heavy for a lower
spec machine. Lots of non geeks use Debian since its basically what the
Raspberry pi runs.

I have had a belly full of this Windows tripe. I have never had any
version of Windows work properly over any length of time - they are
all wonderfully fast when new, with performance becoming unworkable
over time. All versions quickly became bad.

I suppose using Linux some apps can't be used, like WhatsApp web,
etc. A small penalty though for a fast usable laptop.

As an experiment, download a copy of this and make a USB drive from it:

https://nomadbsd.org/

That will give a remarkably responsive desktop on low end hardware with
no installation required. (and its not just a "live" style setup that
throws everything away on reboot - it persists all settings and data
between uses. (its BSD based rather than Linux, but many Linux software
packages will install and run just fine)


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On Monday, 16 March 2020 12:17:10 UTC, John wrote:

I would strongly advise you burn a DVD with a live linux and checck
that boots OK before you remove the DVD

I have no DVD, only a slot, which can take an extar drive if I want.

then it sounds like a good plan.

I would further advise you to get a USB caddy for the existing drive nd
put the SSD in the laptop.

You lost me.

He means swap the existing hdd with a new SSD. Put your hdd where the dvd goes. Either should work fine though, no need for the switch around.


NT

On Monday, 16 March 2020 11:58:45 UTC, John wrote:
I have 4 GB RAM.

It has been suggested that I install an SSD in the DVD drive slot, make that the run drive with the existing HDD as the slave or a USB? That so? Easy to do in set up?

Fitting the SSD is easy enough with a caddy frame for it, however it is the setup that is always gives problems.

Will the drivers work un a Linux (UNIX) type of OS. etc?

Normally yes. There is win only hardware but they are a tiny percentage. If one linux distro doesn't work just try another - dl a few before losing windows.


Also what version of Linux as there are many?

I have had a belly full of this Windows tripe. I have never had any version of Windows work properly over any length of time - they are all wonderfully fast when new, with performance becoming unworkable over time. All versions quickly became bad.

I've not had that happen with linux, but windows usually it does.

I suppose using Linux some apps can't be used, like WhatsApp web, etc. A small penalty though for a fast usable laptop.

Linux distros have their own repository of apps, pick ones from that. These cover almost everything. So the jobs it'll do are the same but it may be an app with another name.

There is the occasional app that thas no native linux equivalent. These can be run in a windows emulator on linux, eg 'wine.'

Lastly dling apps from the wild web is definitely not advisable, and should be treated as a last resort.


NT

On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS. So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting, getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

On 17/03/2020 21:18, John wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS. So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting, getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

IF you can so that. Boot from the caddy SSD.


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puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 7:38:58 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2020 21:18, John wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS. So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting, getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

IF you can so that. Boot from the caddy SSD.

The Intel 330 120gb SSD is SATA3 so I assume OK. I noticed the SSD has more pins than the HDD. I am not sure if the SSD is compatible to plug in. It is about 7 or 8 years old, but not used for 6 years.

On 18/03/2020 10:05, John wrote:
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 7:38:58 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2020 21:18, John wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS. So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting, getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

IF you can so that. Boot from the caddy SSD.

The Intel 330 120gb SSD is SATA3 so I assume OK. I noticed the SSD has more pins than the HDD. I am not sure if the SSD is compatible to plug in. It is about 7 or 8 years old, but not used for 6 years.

sata is a 4 pin interface

here's a teardown and replace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j6J232QGmg&vl=en

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On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 10:21:38 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/03/2020 10:05, John wrote:
On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 7:38:58 AM UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/03/2020 21:18, John wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS. So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting, getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

IF you can so that. Boot from the caddy SSD.

The Intel 330 120gb SSD is SATA3 so I assume OK. I noticed the SSD has more pins than the HDD. I am not sure if the SSD is compatible to plug in. It is about 7 or 8 years old, but not used for 6 years.

sata is a 4 pin interface

The SSD has a 15 pin and a 7 pin. The Lenovo 310 is easier than the vid. No need to remove the keyboard.

On Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:18:35 UTC, John wrote:
On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 7:56:25 PM UTC, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 14:28:26 UTC, John wrote:
Thanks very helpful.
So....
1. Buy an external HDD holder from Amazon for £7 or so.
2. Put a new SSD in that.
3. Plug it into the USB port.
4. Ensure the SSD is formatted.

reformat it as ext3, not a windows format
Linux wants 2 partitions, one for swap space, one for everything else. 4G of swap should be more than you'll ever need.

I have an old Intel 330 120gb SSD. I assume this is fine for the Linux OS..

should be fine

So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting,
getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk keeping the one TB HDD as data.

Yep


NT

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So just a matter getting a caddy, inserting,
getting into the BIOS and make the SSD the boot (run) disk
keeping the one TB HDD as data.

Yep

But put your swap on the 1TB drive, not the SSD.

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