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I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle
mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? |
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"Harry Bloomfield"; "Esq." wrote in message ... I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? https://support.lenovo.com/au/en/solutions/ht071861 |
Lenovo B50-30
On 03/03/2020 17:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec.* I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Just download an ISO of win 10. I'd expect a machine of that vintage to work without many extra drivers. https://www.microsoft.com/eb-gb/soft...load/windows10 It'll still be slow though. How much RAM? |
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Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. It's a Celeron N2840 CPU and the whole laptop sold for 200 quid in 2014. It has a cpubenchmark.net scope of 1000, compared to a decent modern laptop score of 12000. You can try, but I wouldn't expect much better than treacle. Theo |
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On 03/03/2020 17:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. There is a party trick I have seen some of these play where they throttle back to a very low clock speed all the time. Going into the BIOS and resetting to default BIOS settings will fix that one. (might also be worth checking for BIOS upgrades while you are at it). Having said that, its a slow machine to start with. About the only thing you can do to make any real difference would be to clone the HDD onto a SSD. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec.* I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? It will have a recovery partition. So you can recover to the supplied image (which is unlikely to be Win 10). Failing that you can download Win 10 from MS - just search for download Win 10. That will get you the media creation tool which will either upgrade the machine its being run on, or let you write a boot image to USB or DVD. For the utilities etc, there will likely be a tag number of some kind on it that you may be able to use on the Lenovo web site to take you to the right set of utilities. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Chris Bartram formulated the question :
On 03/03/2020 17:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec.* I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Just download an ISO of win 10. I'd expect a machine of that vintage to work without many extra drivers. https://www.microsoft.com/eb-gb/soft...load/windows10 It'll still be slow though. How much RAM? It seems to be reporting 4gb |
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John Rumm formulated the question :
It will have a recovery partition. So you can recover to the supplied image (which is unlikely to be Win 10). I have managed to run the recovery utility and its faster initially then gradually comes to a complete stop. It has a few unnecessary things on it, which are grabbing memory and CPU, but I have been unable to stop or delete them so far. |
Lenovo B50-30
On 03/03/2020 19:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
John Rumm formulated the question : It will have a recovery partition. So you can recover to the supplied image (which is unlikely to be Win 10). I have managed to run the recovery utility and its faster initially then gradually comes to a complete stop. It has a few unnecessary things on it, which are grabbing memory and CPU, but I have been unable to stop or delete them so far. before you go mad, use the SMART disk utilities (HDtune) to see if the disk is, in fact, failing. -- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 03/03/2020 19:34, Harry Bloomfield wrote: John Rumm formulated the question : It will have a recovery partition. So you can recover to the supplied image (which is unlikely to be Win 10). I have managed to run the recovery utility and its faster initially then gradually comes to a complete stop. It has a few unnecessary things on it, which are grabbing memory and CPU, but I have been unable to stop or delete them so far. before you go mad, use the SMART disk utilities (HDtune) to see if the disk is, in fact, failing. That wouldnt normally produce that very long delay for a keystroke to happen. |
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If it came pre installed often its hidden in a secret partition on the
drive. Have you been able to look what crapware is running at start up? Can it run in safe mode or whatever Microsoft call it this week? Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! Harry Bloomfield; "Esq." wrote in message ... I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? |
Lenovo B50-30
Well it should be faster than mentioned though. One thing to watch out for
on these cheaper machines is a terribly small hard drive. This often means that when you get a new version of windows as you do every 6 months or sooner, there is just not enough space to actually properly install and configure it. Its probably OK for simple word processing,email or browsing text only sites using the new Chrome Edge. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Theo" wrote in message ... Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. It's a Celeron N2840 CPU and the whole laptop sold for 200 quid in 2014. It has a cpubenchmark.net scope of 1000, compared to a decent modern laptop score of 12000. You can try, but I wouldn't expect much better than treacle. Theo |
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On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:55:43 UTC, wrote:
I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Have the Lenovo drivers, etc., been installed? Probably needs Lenovo Vantage installed to do that properly. The process of finding and installing updates usually works fine. It can make a huge difference. |
Lenovo B50-30
On 03/03/2020 19:29, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Chris Bartram formulated the question : On 03/03/2020 17:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Just download an ISO of win 10. I'd expect a machine of that vintage to work without many extra drivers. https://www.microsoft.com/eb-gb/soft...load/windows10 It'll still be slow though. How much RAM? It seems to be reporting 4gb Don't bother. It'll struggle. Slow processor, not enough RAM, probably a 5400rpm spinning rust drive. |
More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 07:14:36 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: That wouldnt normally produce that very long delay for a keystroke to happen. Would be interesting to learn how MANY people are wishing for you senile swine to succumb to a stroke finally, senile Rodent! -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
Lenovo B50-30
On Tue, 03 Mar 2020 17:55:29 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Before you go there, have you checked to see if there is more than one AV program? Or anything else that looks 'iffy'? A good experiment in these cases is to boot a Linux DVD / USB and just check to see if the machine runs 'normally' (=as expected for the spec). If it does (and I'm *not* advocating installing Linux instead of Windows here g) then you could try creating an additional user, logging out of the std user and logging back in as the new user and seeing if anything has changed. If it has (if it's faster / as expected) then the chances are it's something to do with the std user. If it's not it's likely to be a system problem and depending on how much data and how many 'licensed programs are on there, you may try to fix that installation or just do a fresh one. A std W10 install disk would probably be fine on that and the W10 Media Creation Tool and a 4G USB stick is all you need. https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...allation-media You can use the tool to create the image on another W7+ PC (you just need to tell it that's what you are doing) and away you go. If it's already running W10 it should re-authenticate itself automatically when you go online. It might be worth checking what version of W10 (Home / Pro, 32/64 bit) before you re-install (System, General tab). Cheers, T i m |
Lenovo B50-30
On 03/03/2020 21:49, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 03/03/2020 19:29, Harry Bloomfield wrote: Chris Bartram formulated the question : On 03/03/2020 17:55, Harry Bloomfield wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Just download an ISO of win 10. I'd expect a machine of that vintage to work without many extra drivers. https://www.microsoft.com/eb-gb/soft...load/windows10 It'll still be slow though. How much RAM? It seems to be reporting 4gb Don't bother. It'll struggle. Slow processor, not enough RAM, probably a 5400rpm spinning rust drive. Unfortunately I cannot find the web page I used to disable a lot of Win10 eye candy features. It did include deleting some of the pre-installed MS programs (or apps as they like to call them now) Things like their news app which has an animated icon and in reality is constantly trying to download news from the internet in the background. There are few more apps like this which may not be required. There is a lot of graphic features that can be disabled in favour of performance, especially on an older machine It may also be worth running a cleaner/optimisation program such as CCleaner (free trial) https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download Is there more than one real time virus checker running? If so they may be fighting each other in that they are both constantly checking any files each of the other checker may be creating. Win 10 comes with an inbuilt virus checker but PC manufacturers are fond of bundeling another. A second virus check could be put into manual mode and removed from the startup list to see if it improves Win 10 performance. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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on 03/03/2020, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) supposed :
It should not be that slow then, unless its got a disc full of crap. Difficult to tell, its so slow it doesn't allow you too investigate what's on the HDD. |
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alan_m pretended :
Is there more than one real time virus checker running? It looks as if there are two, but so slow its impossible to progress it to a check.. If so they may be fighting each other in that they are both constantly checking any files each of the other checker may be creating. Win 10 comes with an inbuilt virus checker but PC manufacturers are fond of bundeling another. A second virus check could be put into manual mode and removed from the startup list to see if it improves Win 10 performance. If only I could get to the startup. |
Lenovo B50-30
Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote :
If it came pre installed often its hidden in a secret partition on the drive. Have you been able to look what crapware is running at start up? Can it run in safe mode or whatever Microsoft call it this week? I have failed so far to get it to boot in the safe boot mode. |
Lenovo B50-30
On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:55:43 UTC, wrote:
I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? First thing I'd do is boot it from a lightweight linux distro cd. Running from cd slows any OS down a lot, but not to the extent you describe. If it works that way, as I expect it will, wipe the hdd and install a suitable OS eg a lightweight linux. If you must go windows try an older lighter version.. The problem is most likely malware, so a disc format & reinstall of win10 might be enough, maybe. And for a joke suggestion, win98 runs real fast on modern hardware :) IT takes assorted tweaks just to get it to work. NT |
Lenovo B50-30
On Tuesday, 3 March 2020 23:07:42 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2020 17:55:29 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote: I have asked to look at the above, which sort of runs, but in treacle mode. Takes forever to boot up, press a button and it will maybe respond 5 minutes later. It has Win10 installed on it, it seems to have a reasonable spec. I'm wondering if there should be a recovery CD for it, or if anyone knows where I could download from and burn a CD? Before you go there, have you checked to see if there is more than one AV program? Or anything else that looks 'iffy'? A good experiment in these cases is to boot a Linux DVD / USB and just check to see if the machine runs 'normally' (=as expected for the spec). If it does (and I'm *not* advocating installing Linux instead of Windows here g) then you could try creating an additional user, logging out of the std user and logging back in as the new user and seeing if anything has changed. If it has (if it's faster / as expected) then the chances are it's something to do with the std user. If it's not it's likely to be a system problem and depending on how much data and how many 'licensed programs are on there, you may try to fix that installation or just do a fresh one. A std W10 install disk would probably be fine on that and the W10 Media Creation Tool and a 4G USB stick is all you need. https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...allation-media You can use the tool to create the image on another W7+ PC (you just need to tell it that's what you are doing) and away you go. If it's already running W10 it should re-authenticate itself automatically when you go online. It might be worth checking what version of W10 (Home / Pro, 32/64 bit) before you re-install (System, General tab). Cheers, T i m Having spoken with Lenovo support, they advise that at least on some models, you should not use the default Microsoft installer - but should download a version from Lenovo. I have no idea what specific differences there are - but they did say that installing standard and then applying Lenovo updates does NOT have the same effect. (Could have been utter BS. But they were adamant.) |
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On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 03:04:21 -0800 (PST), polygonum_on_google
wrote: snip A std W10 install disk would probably be fine on that and the W10 Media Creation Tool and a 4G USB stick is all you need. https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...allation-media You can use the tool to create the image on another W7+ PC (you just need to tell it that's what you are doing) and away you go. snip Having spoken with Lenovo support, they advise that at least on some models, you should not use the default Microsoft installer - but should download a version from Lenovo. I have no idea what specific differences there are - but they did say that installing standard and then applying Lenovo updates does NOT have the same effect. (Could have been utter BS. But they were adamant.) If such a thing exists then I agree, it's probably worth going that route. That said, I've installed the std MS W10 on a few Thinkpads and they have all worked fine. This makes sense in that most components and parts in most laptops / PC's are fairly generic, apart from the BIOS or when they have 'locked parts in' etc (like WiFi cards). I wonder if it's because they want you to install their spyware. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 03/03/2020 20:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
It should not be that slow then, Its going to be pretty dismal... Its a dual core processor - probably no better than a 1/5th the speed of a modern business spec desktop machine. For example a comparison he https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...K/m16086vs3941 unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 04/03/2020 08:10, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
alan_m pretended : Is there more than one real time virus checker running? It looks as if there are two, but so slow its impossible to progress it to a check.. If so they may be fighting each other in that they are both constantly checking any files each of the other checker may be creating. Win 10 comes with an inbuilt virus checker but PC manufacturers are fond of bundeling another. A second virus check could be put into manual mode and removed from the startup list to see if it improves Win 10 performance. If only I could get to the startup. You might be able to boot it in safe mode - but even then it will be difficult. I would start by making a USB bootable copy of acronis[1] (on another machine). Get a SSD, and connect it to the machine via a USB/SATA adaptor. Boot the machine from the acronis boot drive. Clone the internal HDD onto the SSD - might take an hour or more depending on how much is on it. Now swap out the HDD and replace with the SSD. That should get you a system that will now likely be fast enough to use well enough to optimise it a bit further. However, keep in mind you can probably get a second hand i5 laptop for 150. [1] Depending on which SSD you buy you may get a license for Acronis with it, however email me if you need an activation code for acronis - I have spare ones. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Lenovo B50-30
John Rumm wrote :
unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... |
Lenovo B50-30
On 04/03/2020 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
John Rumm wrote : unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... What will prove the hardware is OK is to burn a live Linux DVD - I recommend MINT MATE - and boot from that. If it runs OK on that the RAM and CPU and network are probably sound. There are also linux tools to interrogate the SMART data on the disk that will tell you if THAT is dying BUT.... Faced with a slow old PC I'd be tempted to (assuming rest of the hardware is OK) - junk the HD - install SSD - install Linux MINT mate. - buy a USB case for the old drive and transfer what data you need from that to the SSD. Unless you have a good reason to retain windows or have some particular software installed, you will get a better end result this way -- People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, ones agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of ones suitability to be taken seriously. Paul Krugman |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Faced with a slow old PC I'd be tempted to (assuming rest of the hardware is OK) - junk the HD - install SSD I have to say that, having a spare SSD available, I investigated my partner's 6-year old laptop which had become barely useable, discovered that I could do a swap for the old HDD, and was amazed by the improvement in performance. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:21:19 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 03:04:21 -0800 (PST), polygonum_on_google wrote: snip A std W10 install disk would probably be fine on that and the W10 Media Creation Tool and a 4G USB stick is all you need. https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...allation-media You can use the tool to create the image on another W7+ PC (you just need to tell it that's what you are doing) and away you go. snip Having spoken with Lenovo support, they advise that at least on some models, you should not use the default Microsoft installer - but should download a version from Lenovo. I have no idea what specific differences there are - but they did say that installing standard and then applying Lenovo updates does NOT have the same effect. (Could have been utter BS. But they were adamant.) If such a thing exists then I agree, it's probably worth going that route. That said, I've installed the std MS W10 on a few Thinkpads and they have all worked fine. This makes sense in that most components and parts in most laptops / PC's are fairly generic, apart from the BIOS or when they have 'locked parts in' etc (like WiFi cards). I wonder if it's because they want you to install their spyware. ;-) Cheers, T i m We did see some issues that seemed to resolve by rebuilding from their versions. (Sorry, can't remember the details.) On the basis that you probably install some Lenovo drivers anwyway, they could probably shove their spyware in at that stage! |
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John Rumm brought next idea :
You might be able to boot it in safe mode - but even then it will be difficult. I would start by making a USB bootable copy of acronis[1] (on another machine). Get a SSD, and connect it to the machine via a USB/SATA adaptor. Boot the machine from the acronis boot drive. Clone the internal HDD onto the SSD - might take an hour or more depending on how much is on it. Its all sorted now, thanks for the suggestions. I managed to get it to Safe Boot, via MSCONFIG. Once in Safe Boot, it ran at a decent speed and I was able to go into control panel and removed the problem dross which had been installed. I followed that with Malwarebytes, which found 850 items of maleware. Once all cleaned up and rebooted, it ran at a sensible speed. |
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On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:04:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/03/2020 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote: John Rumm wrote : unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... What will prove the hardware is OK is to burn a live Linux DVD - I recommend MINT MATE - and boot from that. If it runs OK on that the RAM and CPU and network are probably sound. There are also linux tools to interrogate the SMART data on the disk that will tell you if THAT is dying BUT.... smartmontools is also available, pre-built, for Windows. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:36:53 +0000, Harry Bloomfield, Esq. wrote:
John Rumm brought next idea : You might be able to boot it in safe mode - but even then it will be difficult. I would start by making a USB bootable copy of acronis[1] (on another machine). Get a SSD, and connect it to the machine via a USB/SATA adaptor. Boot the machine from the acronis boot drive. Clone the internal HDD onto the SSD - might take an hour or more depending on how much is on it. Its all sorted now, thanks for the suggestions. I managed to get it to Safe Boot, via MSCONFIG. Once in Safe Boot, it ran at a decent speed and I was able to go into control panel and removed the problem dross which had been installed. I followed that with Malwarebytes, which found 850 items of maleware. Once all cleaned up and rebooted, it ran at a sensible speed. It's often the initial installation of femaleware that brings in the dross (from the XXX sites). -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:39:58 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 03/03/2020 20:46, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote: It should not be that slow then, Its going to be pretty dismal... Its a dual core processor - probably no better than a 1/5th the speed of a modern business spec desktop machine. For example a comparison he https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...K/m16086vs3941 2 cores at 2.1GHz is more then enough for any sane OS. unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. might be. More likely a huge pile of crap loading down to unworkable. NT |
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On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 11:51:20 UTC, wrote:
John Rumm wrote : unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... if you can't uninstall apps you can usually just delete them. Boot in linux to use file manager. NT |
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On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 17:36:58 UTC, wrote:
John Rumm brought next idea : You might be able to boot it in safe mode - but even then it will be difficult. I would start by making a USB bootable copy of acronis[1] (on another machine). Get a SSD, and connect it to the machine via a USB/SATA adaptor. Boot the machine from the acronis boot drive. Clone the internal HDD onto the SSD - might take an hour or more depending on how much is on it. Its all sorted now, thanks for the suggestions. I managed to get it to Safe Boot, via MSCONFIG. Once in Safe Boot, it ran at a decent speed and I was able to go into control panel and removed the problem dross which had been installed. I followed that with Malwarebytes, which found 850 items of maleware. Once all cleaned up and rebooted, it ran at a sensible speed. There are problably another 850 it didn't detect. I'd format & reinstall. NT |
Lenovo B50-30
On 04/03/2020 21:04, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:04:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 04/03/2020 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote: John Rumm wrote : unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... What will prove the hardware is OK is to burn a live Linux DVD - I recommend MINT MATE - and boot from that. If it runs OK on that the RAM and CPU and network are probably sound. There are also linux tools to interrogate the SMART data on the disk that will tell you if THAT is dying BUT.... smartmontools is also available, pre-built, for Windows. yessbut there was some doubt that he could boot into windows -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat. |
Lenovo B50-30
After serious thinking Bob Eager wrote :
It's often the initial installation of femaleware that brings in the dross (from the XXX sites). In this case the owner is a female and she had allowed grandkids to use the laptop, with no supervision in regards to what they installed. She is now delighted to get her working laptop back. |
Lenovo B50-30
On 04/03/2020 11:51, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
John Rumm wrote : unless its got a disc full of crap. At that age the drive may well be ailing. It will have been slow even when new. I am told it hasn't had much use since new. It was crawling to the point of logging in, but I have managed to sort that out using a rebuild from the hidden partition. Unfortunately it didn't do a restore to factory and left the following rubbish in place and loading. It loads various things when booting, including Premier Systems, Winzip Driver and Webdiscover - grinding to almost an halt in the process. It becomes so slow, it is impossible to use control panel to be able remove them. I seem unable to do a safe boot, or maybe I don't know how... Which OS did it restore to? If 10, then there are number of ways going to safe mode: https://www.ccleaner.com/news/blog/h...s-in-safe-mode -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Lenovo B50-30
On 04/03/2020 17:36, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
John Rumm brought next idea : You might be able to boot it in safe mode - but even then it will be difficult. I would start by making a USB bootable copy of acronis[1] (on another machine). Get a SSD, and connect it to the machine via a USB/SATA adaptor. Boot the machine from the acronis boot drive. Clone the internal HDD onto the SSD - might take an hour or more depending on how much is on it. Its all sorted now, thanks for the suggestions. I managed to get it to Safe Boot, via MSCONFIG. Once in Safe Boot, it ran at a decent speed and I was able to go into control panel and removed the problem dross which had been installed. Ah, yup once loaded down with Mindspark and all the usual assorted crap, that will often reduce even a high end machine to being pretty much unusable. I followed that with Malwarebytes, which found 850 items of maleware. Once all cleaned up and rebooted, it ran at a sensible speed. If yo do the SSD upgrade now, she they may be pleasently surprised just how much better it could be. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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