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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

please paste link to these incedents.

Not possible. They are mostly on those reality TV doco series.

Precisely the situation where you dont want the perp
to be able to fire the gun,.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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05:26??? Can't you even TRY to hide what an abnormal senile trolling pest
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On 05/12/2019 16:15, whisky-dave wrote:
And then they steal the cops gun do they....

please paste link to these incedents.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=cop+shot+own+gun

whisky-dave wrote

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

please paste link to these incedents.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 02:17:04 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile cretin's troll****

02:17??? And you've been up and trolling for almost half an hour already!

ADMIT it finally, senile retard, you do it because this here is the ONLY
place in the world where people can't avoid you!

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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.
You've been dreaming again haven't you.

On Friday, 6 December 2019 10:38:22 UTC, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 05/12/2019 16:15, whisky-dave wrote:
And then they steal the cops gun do they....

please paste link to these incedents.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=cop+shot+own+gun

Plenty of them in the USA, strange considering guns are legal,
and NONE of them were terrosists.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 03:39:11 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile asshole's troll****

03:39 in Australia? Yet AGAIN??? Can't you even TRY to hide what a miserable
abnormal idiot you are, senile Rodent?

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On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:47:11 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

That's in india ****wit not the UK.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:47:11 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

That's in india ****wit not the UK.

We were discussing the prevention of the use of guns grabbed from cops and
troops in general, not just the in the UK, ****wit.

Even a terminal ****wit such as yourself should have noticed that the UK
doesnt
actually make too many guns anymore.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:56:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

05:56??? ...and you've been up and trolling for almost SIX HOURS already,
yet AGAIN! Is the **** in your head fomenting so hard you can't sleep AT
ALL? LOL

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On Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:56:38 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:47:11 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

That's in india ****wit not the UK.

We were discussing the prevention of the use of guns grabbed from cops and
troops in general, not just the in the UK, ****wit.

No we weren't as those scenarios are differnt and require a differnt approach.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 02:34:27 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

senile troll****

02:34 in Australia? AGAIN??? BRUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:56:38 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:47:11 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed
wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc.

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a
cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

That's in india ****wit not the UK.

We were discussing the prevention of the use of guns grabbed from cops
and
troops in general, not just the in the UK, ****wit.

No we weren't as those scenarios are differnt and require a differnt
approach.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

The same approach is needed, only allow the individual ho has been
issued with the gun and the other goons/troops to fire it, ****wit.

On Wednesday, 11 December 2019 15:36:49 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Tuesday, 10 December 2019 18:56:38 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Monday, 9 December 2019 16:47:11 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:27:09 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:54:34 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
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On Thursday, 5 December 2019 14:19:19 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:08:47 UTC, Rod Speed
wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote

That doesnt work reliably inside big buildings
and thats what you need with the cops etc..

You'd have a localised system for that,

Not possible to organise that in every place
a terrorist or armed holdup can happen.

you take it with you,

Not viable when some terrorist is stabling people
and you need to shoot them dead as quickly as
possible to minimise the number they kill.

you won't need it for that situation, terrosts don;t go
up to polce marksman and take their gun off them.

They do actually, particularly in the countrys that have
enough of a clue to make it hard to get hold of a gun.

Can you show a situation where a terrosist has gone up to a
cop
and taken their gun from them and started shooting people.

Yep, and plenty of others where someone has grabbed a cop's
gun when they have been pulled over for something as basic
as a traffic violation when the perp knows that they will be
arrested for an outstanding arrest warrant when the cop
works out who they are or finds illegal drugs in the car
or discovers its a stolen vehicle etc.

And then they steal the cops gun do they....

Yep.

really I've never heard of that before.

Because you spend all your time with your head up your arse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262

That's in india ****wit not the UK.

We were discussing the prevention of the use of guns grabbed from cops
and
troops in general, not just the in the UK, ****wit.

No we weren't as those scenarios are differnt and require a differnt
approach.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

The same approach is needed, only allow the individual ho has been
issued with the gun and the other goons/troops to fire it, ****wit.

Agreed but how would you do such a thing that is the point and that is what
is being looked into. Now sure the NRA will like it though, but it could also mean more guns so perhaps that will please them.

On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 9:12:35 AM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 22/11/2019 00:50, alan_m wrote:

Recommendation for key safe required. This is the type to be fitted
outside of a front door and holds the front door key.

This is for an elderly relative with failing sight (in one eye) so
ideally needs large easy to read numbers and a mechanism that easy to
use. It will also be used by carers visiting the property.

I have yet to see one that meets those requirements. Most are small and
fiddly trying not to attract too much attention to what they are.

Currently fitted is this type
https://www.screwfix.com/p/master-lo...key-safe/77908

and IMO is completely crap. The numbers on the combination are small and
with fairly limited use are already silver on a silver background and
even I have difficulty in seeing them. The opening lever requires thin
fingers and not only has it to be pushed down but to open the box has to
be caught with a finger nail to bring it forward.

I have another type fitted somewhere on my property with small push
buttons that is slightly better but once open it is very fiddly to close
again having to re-input the code, but now with the buttons on the
hinged section section that is free. OK maybe for the occasional use but
probably not suitable for day to day use where carers may be different
people each day, and again not suitable for someone with failing sight

Why can't she continue to have her own key?
Only the carers need to be using the key safe.

Sometimes one can only judge the ease of working of some of these
equipments trying to use them on a regular basis hence a call for
recommendations.

I went for this one when I was doing this stuff.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It is OK and the legend never wears off the buttons but it is still a
bit fiddly although unobtrusive and looks more like an external mains
socket than a key safe. Open and closing both require the code.


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The

On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 9:12:35 AM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 22/11/2019 00:50, alan_m wrote:

Recommendation for key safe required. This is the type to be fitted
outside of a front door and holds the front door key.

This is for an elderly relative with failing sight (in one eye) so
ideally needs large easy to read numbers and a mechanism that easy to
use. It will also be used by carers visiting the property.

I have yet to see one that meets those requirements. Most are small and
fiddly trying not to attract too much attention to what they are.

Currently fitted is this type
https://www.screwfix.com/p/master-lo...key-safe/77908

and IMO is completely crap. The numbers on the combination are small and
with fairly limited use are already silver on a silver background and
even I have difficulty in seeing them. The opening lever requires thin
fingers and not only has it to be pushed down but to open the box has to
be caught with a finger nail to bring it forward.

I have another type fitted somewhere on my property with small push
buttons that is slightly better but once open it is very fiddly to close
again having to re-input the code, but now with the buttons on the
hinged section section that is free. OK maybe for the occasional use but
probably not suitable for day to day use where carers may be different
people each day, and again not suitable for someone with failing sight

Why can't she continue to have her own key?
Only the carers need to be using the key safe.

Sometimes one can only judge the ease of working of some of these
equipments trying to use them on a regular basis hence a call for
recommendations.

I went for this one when I was doing this stuff.

https://alarms4life.com/best-key-safe-lock-box/

It is OK and the legend never wears off the buttons but it is still a
bit fiddly although unobtrusive and looks more like an external mains
socket than a key safe. Open and closing both require the code.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown


The problem with that one from sentinel is the buttons are too small. I've had a few different ones and for us, the only one that is worth getting are the police approved ones e.g. the supra c500 or the Burton Keyguard. Anything else and you're taking a risk.

On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 9:12:35 AM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 22/11/2019 00:50, alan_m wrote:

Recommendation for key safe required. This is the type to be fitted
outside of a front door and holds the front door key.

This is for an elderly relative with failing sight (in one eye) so
ideally needs large easy to read numbers and a mechanism that easy to
use. It will also be used by carers visiting the property.

I have yet to see one that meets those requirements. Most are small and
fiddly trying not to attract too much attention to what they are.

Currently fitted is this type
https://www.screwfix.com/p/master-lo...key-safe/77908

and IMO is completely crap. The numbers on the combination are small and
with fairly limited use are already silver on a silver background and
even I have difficulty in seeing them. The opening lever requires thin
fingers and not only has it to be pushed down but to open the box has to
be caught with a finger nail to bring it forward.

I have another type fitted somewhere on my property with small push
buttons that is slightly better but once open it is very fiddly to close
again having to re-input the code, but now with the buttons on the
hinged section section that is free. OK maybe for the occasional use but
probably not suitable for day to day use where carers may be different
people each day, and again not suitable for someone with failing sight

Why can't she continue to have her own key?
Only the carers need to be using the key safe.

Sometimes one can only judge the ease of working of some of these
equipments trying to use them on a regular basis hence a call for
recommendations.

I went for this one when I was doing this stuff.

https://alarms4life.com/best-key-safe-lock-box/

It is OK and the legend never wears off the buttons but it is still a
bit fiddly although unobtrusive and looks more like an external mains
socket than a key safe. Open and closing both require the code.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown




The problem with that one from sentinel is the buttons are too small. I've had a few different ones and for us, the only one that is worth getting are the police approved ones e.g. the supra c500 or the Burton Keyguard. Anything else and you're taking a risk.

On 27/02/2020 17:29, wrote:
On Friday, November 22, 2019 at 9:12:35 AM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 22/11/2019 00:50, alan_m wrote:

Recommendation for key safe required. This is the type to be fitted
outside of a front door and holds the front door key.



I fitted the type you gave link to .... my parents also have failing
eyesight, but they are not the ones using it ..... it was carer who used
it so no eyesight issue.