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On 25/09/2019 15:22, Martin Brown wrote:
On 25/09/2019 15:03, Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Better than a no-deal Brexit - which isn't saying much. They only need to hang him out to dry on his zip wire until 31/10/2019. Once his self imposed Brexit "do-or-die" deadline passes he is toast. Then what? We start the ridiculous charade all over again for another three months. Not getting anywhere because we never approach a deadline when any pressure comes to bear and anything actually happens. What is the point? The electorate is losing patience. The EU will lose patience. We'll get no nearer to a good deal. And no deal will remain the default position. Maybe there'll be a gradual realisation that we don't have the Article 50 time limit totally in our own hands. Maybe that will come as a sudden, unpleasant and unexpected surprise to some. All it takes is just one of the 27 countries of the EU to break ranks, and we'll be out, deal or no deal. |
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On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? |
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On Wednesday, 25 September 2019 16:40:28 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
We need a general election regardless of the result. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? Because then it;s be up to him to sort out the Brexist things which has nothing to do with himn he wasn;t in 'power' when it was decided the 'people' should vote on it, it wasn't his idea. Having a GE before 31st oct. would be a really bad move for labour, but perhaps if an extention was agreed then a GE it would give labour the chance to fomulate either another deal or to perhaps have another vote. But as voting to join or leave the EU has been said to be a once in a lifetime vote we might not get asked to vote on it again for another ~69 years[1] [1] How many years is considered a lifetime? For example, cohort life expectancy at age 65 years in 2014 would be worked out using the mortality rate for age 65 years in 2014, for age 66 years in 2015, for age 67 years in 2016 etc. |
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Norman Wells wrote: Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. And the remain vote split between the Tories and the Brexit party. Talk about out of the frying pan into the fire. Voting for a party of racists with no experience of anything. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? Because he wants an election when it suits him. Not when it suits Boris. -- *I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Thats very arguable if it prevents a no deal brexit and you believe that a no deal brexit is bad for the country. |
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. IMO its much more likely that the LimpDim vote will increase dramatically because they are the only major party that is unambiguously remain now apart from the SNP and the SNP hasnt got a hope in hell of ever being the party with the majority of the vote in the entire UK in a general election. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? He's not so stupid that he doesnt realise that a general election now allows Boris to have it just after 29-Oct and given the purdah rule that would mean a default no deal brexit on that date if he refuses to ask the EU for an extension or the EU refuses to agree to one. |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 04:46:08 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: IMO Your IMO doesn't count, you trolling piece of Australian ****! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 04:33:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: That¢s very arguable What is NOT "arguable" for you, you psychopathic "argumentative asshole"? -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On 25/09/2019 16:40, Norman Wells wrote:
On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But if the same proportions are elected then nothing will change. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement.Â* The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? You still don't get it do you!? boris will use such a vote to disolve parliament to prevent democratic debate over brexit. He already shown his intent with the attempt at a five week prorgument. |
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On 25/09/2019 21:57, dennis@home wrote:
On 25/09/2019 16:40, Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But if the same proportions are elected then nothing will change. They never, ever, have been. The pack needs shuffling. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement.Â* The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? You still don't get it do you!? boris will use such a vote to disolve parliament to prevent democratic debate over brexit. He already shown his intent with the attempt at a five week prorgument. Regardless of Boris's motives, which we weren't talking about, Corbyn's are not to lose his power base which he certainly would in a general election. He is frightened stiff to do anything that could result in such an election. That's why he's running scared of the electorate and will make any feeble excuse he can not to agree to an election, or to force a motion of no confidence which he would almost certainly win but would have the same consequence. It's a pathetic vision of what is supposed to be an opposition impressing the public as a government-in-waiting ready to assume power. How low Labour have sunk. |
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On 25/09/2019 22:40, Norman Wells wrote:
On 25/09/2019 21:57, dennis@home wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:40, Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â*Â* Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But if the same proportions are elected then nothing will change. They never, ever, have been. The pack needs shuffling. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement.Â* The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? You still don't get it do you!? boris will use such a vote to disolve parliament to prevent democratic debate over brexit. He already shown his intent with the attempt at a five week prorgument. Regardless of Boris's motives, which we weren't talking about, Corbyn's are not to lose his power base which he certainly would in a general election.Â* He is frightened stiff to do anything that could result in such an election.Â* That's why he's running scared of the electorate and will make any feeble excuse he can not to agree to an election, or to force a motion of no confidence which he would almost certainly win but would have the same consequence. It's a pathetic vision of what is supposed to be an opposition impressing the public as a government-in-waiting ready to assume power. How low Labour have sunk. You are just pouting more brexiteer lies just like boris in the hope of pitting the people against the HoC. Just like grove has been lying again.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221 You just can't trust anything a brexiteer says it is certain to be lies. |
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... On 25/09/2019 21:57, dennis@home wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:40, Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But if the same proportions are elected then nothing will change. They never, ever, have been. The pack needs shuffling. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? You still don't get it do you!? boris will use such a vote to disolve parliament to prevent democratic debate over brexit. He already shown his intent with the attempt at a five week prorgument. Regardless of Boris's motives, which we weren't talking about, Corbyn's are not to lose his power base which he certainly would in a general election. He is frightened stiff to do anything that could result in such an election. That's why he's running scared of the electorate and will make any feeble excuse he can not to agree to an election, or to force a motion of no confidence which he would almost certainly win but would have the same consequence. It's a pathetic vision of what is supposed to be an opposition impressing the public as a government-in-waiting ready to assume power. How low Labour have sunk. Hardly surprising given that its been hijacked by the Trots. That was always one real downside of the approach Blair took to make Labour electable to govt, once he stuffed that up completely, it was always going to be hijacked by the Trots and will be unelectable to govt for a generation at least. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message ... On 25/09/2019 16:40, Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 16:23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Norman Wells wrote: On 25/09/2019 14:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Martin Brown wrote: It's an utterly bizarre situation where the opposition is seemingly unprepared to govern, unwilling to take over, and so lacking in confidence in itself that it won't even try. They are smart enough not to fall into the trap of executing a vote of no confidence and then having Boris set a date for the election after his disastrous hard Brexit has been forced through. Quite. Seems to have been his whole policy to date. Break or bend any rules for his own ends. The only way to regain the votes the Tories have lost to the Brexit party. But you can't really expect the likes of Boris to know or care what might be best for the country. Is Corbyn's propping up Boris in office but unable to govern 'the best for the country'? Are you desperate to vote Corbyn in, then? We need a general election regardless of the result. But if the same proportions are elected Thats unlikely given that so many Torys have been deselected. then nothing will change. But the vote on Mays deal was so close that it might just get up. But the reality is that there wont be any general election until after 29-Oct because one would mean that Boris gets to set the date and would have it after 29-Oct by which time there would have been a completely automatic no deal brexit. But I don't see a Corbyn government given Labour's standing in the polls, and the complete inability of Labour and other Remain parties to come to any compromise agreement. The Remain vote will therefore be hopelessly split between Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and the SNP. Why else do you think Corbyn is so scared to bring a no confidence motion that he would almost certainly win? You still don't get it do you!? boris will use such a vote to disolve parliament to prevent democratic debate over brexit. He already shown his intent with the attempt at a five week prorgument. |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 09:47:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: How low Labour have sunk. Hardly In auto-contradicting mode again, you anomalous senile idiot from Oz? -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the auto-contradicting senile idiot's latest troll**** -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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