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Ah, the "good old days", were rotten, was OT - Bush *ignores*Supreme Court's rulings ..
Dave Mundt wrote:
Well, we know that now, don't we? It ended up as scrap metal in Rotterdam. Not all of it. After all a big chunk of the nasties that Syria had ended up just up the road in Oak Ridge...so WE have most of the fun toys now. Care to educate people? Or are we talking about ships here? |
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Greetings and Salutations...
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:58:19 +1000, Terry Collins wrote: Dave Mundt wrote: Well, we know that now, don't we? It ended up as scrap metal in Rotterdam. Not all of it. After all a big chunk of the nasties that Syria had ended up just up the road in Oak Ridge...so WE have most of the fun toys now. Care to educate people? Or are we talking about ships here? Not ships...materials for "building nuclear weapons". There was a bit of a stir in the area when the Feds quietly flew the stuff into the local airport, and trucked it up to Oak Ridge. Of course the public did not find out about this until WELL after the event Here is a news story on it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/libya/stor...170337,00.html and a somewhat more skeptical note here http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000236.htm I suppose it says something (I'll let YOU figure out what) that a quick google search only brings up stories about the event from OUTSIDE the USA. It was a tempest in a teacup here, actually. There were a number of folks that were kind of grumpy about the possibility of environmental damage *IF* there had been an accident...but really not much was said. Regards Dave Mundt |
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Dave Mundt wrote:
Sorry for being obscure. I ACTUALLY meant that I found it kind of interesting that there seemed to be a lot more detailed stories about this in news organizations outside the USA, and, it was almost completely ignored (or has disappeared into the archives) of the USA News outlets. It is always interesting to read different (i.e. independent) sources on various matters. In general, I find commercial source very simplistic and uninformative, whereas government funded sources vary. Sources from different languages can be very interesting as the different though processes seem to lead to different view points. |
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"Cliff Huprich" wrote What did you have in mind? Many of the "news" reports seem to have been planted by wingers and later easily proved to be false. But just the accusation (on page one) is enough. The (rare) retraction on page 89 is rarely seen. And the right-wing mainstream airborn media virtually never makes any retractions, no matter how egregious the original "misstatement" (read: lie). Then, to add to the irony, the wingnuts claim the media is "liberal." Lewis Carroll would be mighty proud of these guys! Dan |
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If you are a liberal, you see the media as being balanced or somewhat
conservative. But if you are conservative, you see fox news as being balanced and most of the media as liberal. If you think about it, this is natural. If I believe that abortion is okay, any article against abortion will be seen as far right. If I believe that abortion is the same as murder, and article that is pro-abortion will be seen as ultra liberal. So the question ought to be where the media is with respect to public opinion. Since the public is more liberal on both coasts, and the media is mostly located on the coasts, I would say the media is more liberal than the public. Note that Jim Rozen and Ed Huntress cosider themselves as conservatives. They probably are more conservative than their neighbors, but not as conservative as some in this group. But they live on the East coast. If they lived in the rural South, they might consider themselves as liberals. Dan ( the conservative one ) "Dan" wrote in message Then, to add to the irony, the wingnuts claim the media is "liberal." Lewis Carroll would be mighty proud of these guys! Dan |
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Dan Caster wrote: If you are a liberal, you see the media as being balanced or somewhat conservative. But if you are conservative, you see fox news as being balanced and most of the media as liberal. If you think about it, this is natural. If I believe that abortion is okay, any article against abortion will be seen as far right. If I believe that abortion is the same as murder, and article that is pro-abortion will be seen as ultra liberal. So the question ought to be where the media is with respect to public opinion. Since the public is more liberal on both coasts, and the media is mostly located on the coasts, I would say the media is more liberal than the public. Note that Jim Rozen and Ed Huntress cosider themselves as conservatives. They probably are more conservative than their neighbors, but not as conservative as some in this group. But they live on the East coast. If they lived in the rural South, they might consider themselves as liberals. Dan ( the conservative one ) "Dan" wrote in message Then, to add to the irony, the wingnuts claim the media is "liberal." Lewis Carroll would be mighty proud of these guys! Dan Dear Dan From now on, do not use logic or facts, on this board, as it conflicts with the positions, that are derived from the years of screaming and yelling, the hurling of insults, and the occasional threats of bodily harm, to those who are not in agreement with the positions held, to be correct by the any of the posters. Such deference to facts and logic, are not with in the cannons of the survivalist law, which governs the conduct of the people, of what ever dubious mental stability, that continually make known to the world, the proclamations of the correct cognitive processes, that are required for the concept of, The End of The World as We Know it, to take form in an environment of stability and civil discourse, that is enjoyed by the citizens of this community but are held to be only temporary and a transient state in nature. As such you are here by enjoined to cease and desist your further proclamations, based on logic and facts, as they are of such have such a intellectual nature, as to force those of this community to entertain certain cognitive processes, that they are not no, nor ever have been abel to perform within the scope of their educational status, or there lack of medication to properly control their temporary mental stability. The Independent "Pilot to Gunner: Bandits at 9 O'Clock." |
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In article , Dan Caster says...
Note that Jim Rozen and Ed Huntress cosider themselves as conservatives. They probably are more conservative than their neighbors, but not as conservative as some in this group. But they live on the East coast. If they lived in the rural South, they might consider themselves as liberals. It's a complicated question, Dan. There's the kind of fiscal conservative that says that the government ought to run a tight ship and a ballanced budget. The opposite of that used to be called 'tax and spend liberal.' Now that same catagory is called 'republican.' For the record I think the deficits being run up are nearly criminal. Then you have the issue of how much government should intrude into the citizens' lives. My personal view is that should be the smallest amount possible. In some camps that makes me a libertarian, in others it makes me a constitutional conservative. In yet another it makes me 'pro abortion' which is flaming liberal. So where do you draw the line in the sand? I think that the government should look out for widders and orphans which is what social security is all about - so for the over 60 crowd that makes me a staunch conservative (because they want their benefits) but for the folks getting payroll taxes ripped from their paychecks, I am again a flaming liberal. Funny how the terms being bandied about are invariably used in a derogatory sense if the person you are sticking them to disagrees with some particular issue that's dear to the stick-er's heart! On a lighter note I would mention that you have a very cute grand-daughter which I happened to see the other week. Your daughter in law said you would be miffed that you haven't had a chance to meet her in person yet! Congratulations to Dan!! Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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I agree. It is complicated. I think we agree on most things. But
mostly I was just trying to say that with the same views, you may be a liberal in some places and a conservative in others. I consider myself a conservative here in Washington State. When I lived in Alabama, I was a liberal. I expect to be in your neighborhood this Christmas. Hope to see you then. Dan jim rozen wrote in message It's a complicated question, Dan. So where do you draw the line in the sand? On a lighter note I would mention that you have a very cute grand-daughter which I happened to see the other week. Your daughter in law said you would be miffed that you haven't had a chance to meet her in person yet! Congratulations to Dan!! Jim |
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"Dan Caster" wrote in message m... I agree. It is complicated. I think we agree on most things. But mostly I was just trying to say that with the same views, you may be a liberal in some places and a conservative in others. I consider myself a conservative here in Washington State. When I lived in Alabama, I was a liberal. In Washington State, a conservative is someone that believes there should be any limits on welfare. The moderate position is that "lower income" people should be given an unlimited amount of money each month by the State. The liberal position is not only should they be given an unlimited amount of money, they should be able to go into anyone's home, and take anything they like. The underlying belief being that people wouldn't be poor, if they weren't being oppressed by the fascist people with money, so they deserve to be "compensated" for their "oppression". Note: Eastern Washington State does consider itself to be part of Washington State! ;^) |
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I believe you on this.
Dan (Cliff Huprich) wrote in message om... (Dan Caster) wrote in message om... If you are a liberal, you see the media as being balanced or somewhat conservative. But if you are conservative, you see fox news as being balanced and most of the media as liberal. If you think about it, this is natural. I don't know what a "conservative" or a "liberal" is. Cliff |
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(Dan Caster) wrote in message om...
(Cliff Huprich) wrote in message om... (Dan Caster) wrote in message om... If you are a liberal, you see the media as being balanced or somewhat conservative. But if you are conservative, you see fox news as being balanced and most of the media as liberal. If you think about it, this is natural. I don't know what a "conservative" or a "liberal" is. I believe you on this. And you top post too. AFAIK It looks like "conservatives" want to have stronger (and bigger) Federal governments, more government intrusions, deficit spending, restrictions on most rights, intrude the churches into everything, interfere with other nations, undo most of the US Constitution, prohibit education if not in a church setting, dispose of the sciences, probably reinstate slavery .... How much did I miss? -- Cliff |
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