The US Supreme court handed down a decision today that will make the
entire Jury award taxable by the IRS as Normal Income and disallows
attorney fees to be deducted from the amount. The supreme court said
that since you don't pay the fees if you loose they can not be deducted
if you win. Therefor the money that was paid to attorneys as a
contingency was disallowed as a deduction.

What this means is

You get a 10,000,000 dollar jury award
you Pay US income Tax on the award of 38.6% (top rate)
You Pay State Income Tax of 8% (taken form tax tables of states with
highest jury awards)
Total Tax bite is 46.8%
Payment to attorneys for winning the case 40% of the total award
Total tax and attorney fees is 86.8%

What you have left is 13.2% of 10 million or
1.32 million dollars out of a ten million dollar settlement

What do the attorneys get??? They get to claim all the expert witness
fees, per diem, suits, laundry services, meals, entertainment costs, (to
include booze and hookers)and every thing under the sun so they probably
will get to keep 3 million of their fees.

So the brake down of a 10 million jury award
4.68 million to Federal and state Government
3.0 million to attorney
1.32 million to plaintive

What does this mean??

Well of the top of my head you won't see any more 10 million dollar
awards they will now be 100 million dollar awards.

The price of insurance will go up 1000% if you can get it which means
you won't.


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

Gunner wrote:

The US Supreme court handed down a decision today that will make the
entire Jury award taxable by the IRS as Normal Income and disallows
attorney fees to be deducted from the amount. The supreme court said
that since you don't pay the fees if you loose they can not be deducted
if you win. Therefor the money that was paid to attorneys as a
contingency was disallowed as a deduction.

What this means is

You get a 10,000,000 dollar jury award
you Pay US income Tax on the award of 38.6% (top rate)
You Pay State Income Tax of 8% (taken form tax tables of states with
highest jury awards)
Total Tax bite is 46.8%
Payment to attorneys for winning the case 40% of the total award
Total tax and attorney fees is 86.8%

What you have left is 13.2% of 10 million or
1.32 million dollars out of a ten million dollar settlement

What do the attorneys get??? They get to claim all the expert witness
fees, per diem, suits, laundry services, meals, entertainment costs, (to
include booze and hookers)and every thing under the sun so they probably
will get to keep 3 million of their fees.

So the brake down of a 10 million jury award
4.68 million to Federal and state Government
3.0 million to attorney
1.32 million to plaintive

What does this mean??

Well of the top of my head you won't see any more 10 million dollar
awards they will now be 100 million dollar awards.

The price of insurance will go up 1000% if you can get it which means
you won't.


Gunner, you excel at the art of cut and paste, but you really, really,
really suck as a legal scholar.

Read the court's ruling, then explain the impact of the American Jobs
Creation Act of 2004, then report back to us. If you have any balls.

Dale Scroggins

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

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"Gunner" wrote in message
...


The US Supreme court handed down a decision today that will make the
entire Jury award taxable by the IRS as Normal Income and disallows
attorney fees to be deducted from the amount. The supreme court said
that since you don't pay the fees if you loose they can not be deducted
if you win. Therefor the money that was paid to attorneys as a
contingency was disallowed as a deduction.

What this means is

You get a 10,000,000 dollar jury award
you Pay US income Tax on the award of 38.6% (top rate)
You Pay State Income Tax of 8% (taken form tax tables of states with
highest jury awards)
Total Tax bite is 46.8%
Payment to attorneys for winning the case 40% of the total award
Total tax and attorney fees is 86.8%

What you have left is 13.2% of 10 million or
1.32 million dollars out of a ten million dollar settlement

What do the attorneys get??? They get to claim all the expert witness
fees, per diem, suits, laundry services, meals, entertainment costs, (to
include booze and hookers)and every thing under the sun so they probably
will get to keep 3 million of their fees.

So the brake down of a 10 million jury award
4.68 million to Federal and state Government
3.0 million to attorney
1.32 million to plaintive

What does this mean??

Well of the top of my head you won't see any more 10 million dollar
awards they will now be 100 million dollar awards.

The price of insurance will go up 1000% if you can get it which means
you won't.


"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

In article B6NJd.23332$EG1.14109@lakeread04, Glenn Ashmore says...

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

Yet *another* example of our Tax&Spend republicans in action.

They say one thing (we're gonna LOWER yer taxes) while
at the same time dipping their fat paws into our wallets.

Jim


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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:55:37 GMT, Dale Scroggins
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

The US Supreme court handed down a decision today that will make the
entire Jury award taxable by the IRS as Normal Income and disallows
attorney fees to be deducted from the amount. The supreme court said
that since you don't pay the fees if you loose they can not be deducted
if you win. Therefor the money that was paid to attorneys as a
contingency was disallowed as a deduction.

What this means is

You get a 10,000,000 dollar jury award
you Pay US income Tax on the award of 38.6% (top rate)
You Pay State Income Tax of 8% (taken form tax tables of states with
highest jury awards)
Total Tax bite is 46.8%
Payment to attorneys for winning the case 40% of the total award
Total tax and attorney fees is 86.8%

What you have left is 13.2% of 10 million or
1.32 million dollars out of a ten million dollar settlement

What do the attorneys get??? They get to claim all the expert witness
fees, per diem, suits, laundry services, meals, entertainment costs, (to
include booze and hookers)and every thing under the sun so they probably
will get to keep 3 million of their fees.

So the brake down of a 10 million jury award
4.68 million to Federal and state Government
3.0 million to attorney
1.32 million to plaintive

What does this mean??

Well of the top of my head you won't see any more 10 million dollar
awards they will now be 100 million dollar awards.

The price of insurance will go up 1000% if you can get it which means
you won't.


Gunner, you excel at the art of cut and paste, but you really, really,
really suck as a legal scholar.

Read the court's ruling, then explain the impact of the American Jobs
Creation Act of 2004, then report back to us. If you have any balls.

Dale Scroggins

Ive made some claim to legal scholarship?

I posted this bit without comment.

Now where did you get your JD from?

Gunner

"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

See:

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-na-tax25jan25,1,7736904.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest&ctrack=1&cset=true

Gunner



"Considering the events of recent years,
the world has a long way to go to regain
its credibility and reputation with the US."
unknown

In article , Gunner says...

Ive made some claim to legal scholarship?

I think somebody better have installed lightning
rods on his new outdoor shop. :^)

Jim


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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:22:56 GMT, the renowned Gunner
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

See:

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-na-tax25jan25,1,7736904.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest&ctrack=1&cset=true

Gunner

I suppose to be fair then, the lawyers should not need to pay any tax
on the income, right?



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Gunner wrote:

snip

Ive made some claim to legal scholarship?

I posted this bit without comment.

Weasel. Lazy weasel.

Now where did you get your JD from?

University of Arkansas. 1987.

Dale Scroggins

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:22:56 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

The Contract with America, Glenn, was one of the few things Congress
ever did -right-.


It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

See:

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-na-tax25jan25,1,7736904.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest&ctrack=1&cset=true

That truly f*cking sucks. The gov't gets their max share from
both the awardee and the lawyer who claims it as income. Is out
gov't out of control, or what?

P.S: I'm just over 100 pages into Ross' "Unintentional Consequences".
It won't be as quick to read because it's so heavy--it strains my
wrist trying to hold it up to read in bed. Man, 860 pages of fun!


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Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Thanks Barry


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:22:56 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your
beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small
Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

The Contract with America, Glenn, was one of the few things Congress
ever did -right-.


It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case
that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

See:

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-na-tax25jan25,1,7736904.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest&ctrack=1&cset=true

That truly f*cking sucks. The gov't gets their max share from
both the awardee and the lawyer who claims it as income. Is out
gov't out of control, or what?

P.S: I'm just over 100 pages into Ross' "Unintentional Consequences".
It won't be as quick to read because it's so heavy--it strains my
wrist trying to hold it up to read in bed. Man, 860 pages of fun!


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http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Thanks Barry

The title is _Unintended Consequences_.

--
Ed Huntress

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Thanks Barry

BTW, here are some comments from the review in _Publisher's Weekly_. That's
the journal for book-dealers. It usually hypes all the good points about a
book:

"The dust jacket of this first novel nearly sums it up: a storm trooper-like
American federal agent holds an automatic weapon to the throat of a
semi-naked, buxom young woman as a giant copy of the Constitution burns in
the background."

"This action-packed, overlong fiction-as-manifesto is a hotbed of pulp
melodrama, enhanced with photos of--and reproductions of ads for--guns.
(...) In a preface, Ross states that he hopes "this book will reduce the
likelihood of armed conflict in this country." It seems disingenuous. This
whole story seethes with a grudge against a government that is portrayed as
having persecuted praiseworthy citizens who merely want to exercise their
civil rights. Like the notorious and paranoid _The Turner Diaries_, this
novel may speak to readers on the fringes of American society--but it misses
the middle, both artistic and political, by a long shot."

Regarding the fringes of society, it's an RCM "Must Read," and a Golden
Cartridge Belt winner...

--
Ed Huntress

In article , Ed Huntress says...

"The dust jacket of this first novel nearly sums it up: a storm trooper-like
American federal agent holds an automatic weapon to the throat of a
semi-naked, buxom young woman as a giant copy of the Constitution burns in
the background."

So-called "Good Girl Art" which graced many a pulp magazine
and dime store novel, example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6943871 704&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

The artist in question was well-known for drawing buxom young lasses
in peril. He was without a doubt the quietest, kindest, most
conservative church-going individual. But he was good at drawing
buxom young lasses.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Ed Huntress says...

"The dust jacket of this first novel nearly sums it up: a storm
trooper-like
American federal agent holds an automatic weapon to the throat of a
semi-naked, buxom young woman as a giant copy of the Constitution burns
in
the background."

So-called "Good Girl Art" which graced many a pulp magazine
and dime store novel, example:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...em=6943871 70
4&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

The artist in question was well-known for drawing buxom young lasses
in peril. He was without a doubt the quietest, kindest, most
conservative church-going individual. But he was good at drawing
buxom young lasses.

It used to be a good money-maker. Another one who made a lot of money doing
it, including buying a big, hundred-year-old Victorian house on Boston's
North Shore, and a couple of Benz's, is Roberts Howard. Rob is an old friend
of mine. He's an excellent fine artist, and he's written books on the
subject, but he made his money illustrating bodice-rippers. g

--
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:02:05 -0500, the inscrutable "Barry"
spake:

Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Sorry, Barry, I totally spaced the title earlier.
Author: John Ross
Title : Unintended Consequences
Hardcover: 863 pages
Publisher: Accurate Press (January 1, 1996)
ISBN: 1888118040
Rated 4.5 out of 5 stars via 314 reviews.

Ed quoted the Publisher's Weekly rant. Here's a typical review
from Amazon.com:

34 of 37 people found the following review helpful:
It Changed My Thinking, April 27, 2003
Reviewer: Beau Thurnauer "Beau" (Coventry, CT USA) - See all my
reviews
(REAL NAME)
"I'm a pretty conservative guy. I follow rules because I find it
comfortable to do so. I stop at stop lights and do a lot of things I
would rather not do as well as not doing things I would like to do
because I find this an orderly and secure way to live.

I do recognize that there are many stupid poorly conceived laws and
rules but I still comply. I have never thought about starting a
revolution because the trivial moronic little rules and regulations
that we are requested to comply with are unreasonable in a free
society. But that is the topic of this book.

Few books in my life have changed my thinking over the long term.
Unintended Consequences did this. This book is about the gun culture.
How it began and where it is today. I never never never thought about
how not only many of the Federal firearms regulations are but in a
more global sense how many of our regulations are ridiculous.

This may sound like a vague description of a 800+ page book. But this
book is so global. It talks specifically about Henry Bowman who grows
up shooting guns as a hobby like many others collect stamps or ride
motorcycles. Yet he explains very slowly and methodically how his life
experiences with his hobby are hampered unreasonably by Federal
regulations. You do not have to be a gun lover or hater to appreciate
this book. You only have to have a hobby or passion; any hobby or
passion. You will see how our Constitution and Bill of Rights have
been beaten and changed, how we are losing our individual rights and
how dangerous the repurcussions.

Please read this book for the message, it will change you."

And to top it off, Gunner liked it. bseg


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

Please read this book for the message, it will change you."

It's amazing what one can do by applying the methods of fiction to polemic.
We await in anticipation what you find in there. g

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

It used to be a good money-maker. Another one who made a lot of money
doing
it, including buying a big, hundred-year-old Victorian house on Boston's
North Shore, and a couple of Benz's, is Roberts Howard. Rob is an old
friend
of mine. He's an excellent fine artist, and he's written books on the
subject, but he made his money illustrating bodice-rippers. g

Would that be the same Rob Howard who used to be the moderator
of the illustrators board on Compuserve 10 odd years ago????
Brian, in Cedar

"Brian Barnson" wrote in message
news:Qi%Jd.183395$Xk.47840@pd7tw3no...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

It used to be a good money-maker. Another one who made a lot of money
doing
it, including buying a big, hundred-year-old Victorian house on Boston's
North Shore, and a couple of Benz's, is Roberts Howard. Rob is an old
friend
of mine. He's an excellent fine artist, and he's written books on the
subject, but he made his money illustrating bodice-rippers. g

Would that be the same Rob Howard who used to be the moderator
of the illustrators board on Compuserve 10 odd years ago????
Brian, in Cedar

That be the man. It was the Artist's forum. I was a sysop there, too, but it
was all Rob's show.

Rob now has a company you can find at www.studioproducts.com. He has a forum
there, too.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
(snip)
Would that be the same Rob Howard who used to be the moderator
of the illustrators board on Compuserve 10 odd years ago????
Brian, in Cedar

That be the man. It was the Artist's forum. I was a sysop there, too, but
it
was all Rob's show.

Rob now has a company you can find at www.studioproducts.com. He has a
forum
there, too.

Thanks, I'll pass it on to the wife/artist/signwriter. Hmmm, I just
misspelled
that "sighwriter" and it goes pretty well with "bodice-ripper". Metal
content-we
tuned up her etching press yesterday.
Brian, in Cedar

"Brian Barnson" wrote in message
news:nH9Kd.190469$6l.17034@pd7tw2no...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
(snip)
Would that be the same Rob Howard who used to be the moderator
of the illustrators board on Compuserve 10 odd years ago????
Brian, in Cedar

That be the man. It was the Artist's forum. I was a sysop there, too,
but
it
was all Rob's show.

Rob now has a company you can find at www.studioproducts.com. He has a
forum
there, too.

Thanks, I'll pass it on to the wife/artist/signwriter. Hmmm, I just
misspelled
that "sighwriter" and it goes pretty well with "bodice-ripper". Metal
content-we
tuned up her etching press yesterday.
Brian, in Cedar

She'll probably find it very interesting. Like Rob, the site has lots
of...personality. g

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

Please read this book for the message, it will change you."

It's amazing what one can do by applying the methods of fiction to polemic.
We await in anticipation what you find in there. g

Gee, Ed. I feel myself changing already, just as the reviewer said.
I found WORDS in there! Unfortunately, he uses "there's" far too often
in place of the contextually correct "there are."

How do you feel about the SCOTUS decision of the subject?
I feel that it is downright WRONG; that the taxes for the
portion going to the attorney should be paid by the attorney,
not the awardee. Otherwise, double taxes are paid, and those
gov't folks have too much of "our" money now.


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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:13:16 -0500, the inscrutable "Ed Huntress"
spake:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

Please read this book for the message, it will change you."

It's amazing what one can do by applying the methods of fiction to
polemic.
We await in anticipation what you find in there. g

Gee, Ed. I feel myself changing already, just as the reviewer said.
I found WORDS in there! Unfortunately, he uses "there's" far too often
in place of the contextually correct "there are."

How do you feel about the SCOTUS decision of the subject?
I feel that it is downright WRONG; that the taxes for the
portion going to the attorney should be paid by the attorney,
not the awardee. Otherwise, double taxes are paid, and those
gov't folks have too much of "our" money now.

I haven't read the decision, Larry, so I have no opinion. There is a
question of the constitutionality of it, and another one of the fairness --
which, sad to say, sometimes has little to do with constitutionality.

They'd both take some time to figure out. But most tax issues boil down to
how you want to divide the payments up. It tends to come out of the same
pockets in the end, for the most part.

--
Ed Huntress

Barry wrote:

Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Try searching "Unintended Consequences" rather than "Unintentional Consequences".

-jc-

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:15:36 GMT, Dale Scroggins
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

snip

Ive made some claim to legal scholarship?

I posted this bit without comment.

Weasel. Lazy weasel.

Your opinion is noted.

Now where did you get your JD from?

University of Arkansas. 1987.

Dale Scroggins

And you passed the bar and are practicing now?

Gunner

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:42:11 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:22:56 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:41:58 -0500, "Glenn Ashmore"
wrote:

Gunner, that law was passed in1996 when your hero the Newt and your beloved
Republicans were running things in Congress. It is in the "Small Business
Protection Act", part of their "Contract on America".

The Contract with America, Glenn, was one of the few things Congress
ever did -right-.


It can actually teg much worse than your example. In the O'Gilive case that
the SCOUS decided, the family that won a $10 Mil award when their mother
died from toxic shock. After legal fees and taxes they owed the IRS
$500,000 more than they received.

See:

http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-na-tax25jan25,1,7736904.story?coll=la-headlines-business-invest&ctrack=1&cset=true

That truly f*cking sucks. The gov't gets their max share from
both the awardee and the lawyer who claims it as income. Is out
gov't out of control, or what?

P.S: I'm just over 100 pages into Ross' "Unintentional Consequences".
It won't be as quick to read because it's so heavy--it strains my
wrist trying to hold it up to read in bed. Man, 860 pages of fun!


You are in the slow part..it picks up the pace considerably a bit
later on. Ross is quite meticulous in setting up the rest of the book

Gunner


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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:21:14 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
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"Barry" wrote in message
...
Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Thanks Barry

BTW, here are some comments from the review in _Publisher's Weekly_. That's
the journal for book-dealers. It usually hypes all the good points about a
book:

"The dust jacket of this first novel nearly sums it up: a storm trooper-like
American federal agent holds an automatic weapon to the throat of a
semi-naked, buxom young woman as a giant copy of the Constitution burns in
the background."

"This action-packed, overlong fiction-as-manifesto is a hotbed of pulp
melodrama, enhanced with photos of--and reproductions of ads for--guns.
(...) In a preface, Ross states that he hopes "this book will reduce the
likelihood of armed conflict in this country." It seems disingenuous. This
whole story seethes with a grudge against a government that is portrayed as
having persecuted praiseworthy citizens who merely want to exercise their
civil rights. Like the notorious and paranoid _The Turner Diaries_, this
novel may speak to readers on the fringes of American society--but it misses
the middle, both artistic and political, by a long shot."

Regarding the fringes of society, it's an RCM "Must Read," and a Golden
Cartridge Belt winner...


Great review from a leftist run organization. How about posting some
readers reviews or from other less biased sources?

Gunner

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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:02:03 GMT, John Chase
wrote:

Barry wrote:

Larry,

Could you be more specefic on this book? Sounds Interesting. I have been
unable to google it.

Try searching "Unintended Consequences" rather than "Unintentional Consequences".

-jc-

http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=3942

http://www.accuratepress.net/uc.html
http://www.ncc-1776.com/tle1996/le960508.html
http://www.libertybookshop.us/mall/U...nsequences.htm
http://y2kchaos.entrewave.com/view/y2kchaos/s35p123.htm

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2110/RV_UC.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...522020-5494327


http://john-ross.net/

And of course, the obligatory response in force from the BATF
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Am...f_approved.htm



Another book thats an interesting read:
http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/reviews.htm


And for a glimps into the mind of the petty beuracrat
http://www.enterstageright.com/archi...0999buslic.htm

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"Gunner" wrote in message
...

BTW, here are some comments from the review in _Publisher's Weekly_.
That's
the journal for book-dealers. It usually hypes all the good points about
a
book:

"The dust jacket of this first novel nearly sums it up: a storm
trooper-like
American federal agent holds an automatic weapon to the throat of a
semi-naked, buxom young woman as a giant copy of the Constitution burns
in
the background."

"This action-packed, overlong fiction-as-manifesto is a hotbed of pulp
melodrama, enhanced with photos of--and reproductions of ads for--guns.
(...) In a preface, Ross states that he hopes "this book will reduce the
likelihood of armed conflict in this country." It seems disingenuous.
This
whole story seethes with a grudge against a government that is portrayed
as
having persecuted praiseworthy citizens who merely want to exercise their
civil rights. Like the notorious and paranoid _The Turner Diaries_, this
novel may speak to readers on the fringes of American society--but it
misses
the middle, both artistic and political, by a long shot."

Regarding the fringes of society, it's an RCM "Must Read," and a Golden
Cartridge Belt winner...


Great review from a leftist run organization. How about posting some
readers reviews or from other less biased sources?

You apparently don't know what _Publisher's Weekly_ is. It's not a political
organization. It's a market review for booksellers. Their object is to
identify who the likely market is for a book, and what its general character
is, as well as to classify it by genre.

The booksellers who have sizable numbers of readers like you in their
regional market will stock it, based on what _PW_ has told them about it.
But it's the kind of book that will sell mostly by word-of-mouth, or by the
pound, for people who like big bodice-rippers.

That's why it has that cover illustration. It's like a label. It identifies
the market. It's not a trivial market, either, but it's not part of the
mainstream, tradebook marketplace.

--
Ed Huntress

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:03:21 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Great review from a leftist run organization. How about posting some
readers reviews or from other less biased sources?

You apparently don't know what _Publisher's Weekly_ is. It's not a political
organization. It's a market review for booksellers. Their object is to
identify who the likely market is for a book,

It may be their job to do so objectivly...but their review read like
it was written by Michael Moore. So much for what passes for
objectivity, huh?

I couldnt put in more political buzzwords and intent if I tried.

Gunner



" We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of
Shakespeare...Thanks to AOL and WebTv, we know this is not possible."

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:29 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


At over 800 pages, it's thick enough to use for body armor. How many
bullets
has it taken?

To my knowledge, none. But if it has to take one, I hope it saves the
person carrying it. Then Ill cough up and put another one in the
circuit

You could wait a bit and see if you get a deal on the remaindered copies.
Then you could start a "Hillbilly Armor" website and take collections. After
a few Humvee patrols pass by, the streets of Falluga will look like they're
covered with confetti.

--
Ed Huntress


Only after the remaining copies of Earth In the Balance are used up.

Gunner



" We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of
Shakespeare...Thanks to AOL and WebTv, we know this is not possible."

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:03:21 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Great review from a leftist run organization. How about posting some
readers reviews or from other less biased sources?

You apparently don't know what _Publisher's Weekly_ is. It's not a
political
organization. It's a market review for booksellers. Their object is to
identify who the likely market is for a book,

It may be their job to do so objectivly...but their review read like
it was written by Michael Moore. So much for what passes for
objectivity, huh?

They aren't trying to be objective. They're trying to be accurate. And
they've probably nailed the market identifiers for this one dead-nutz, based
on the subject, size, cover illustration, and treatment.

It isn't a political tract or analysis. It's a heads-up for booksellers that
will help them identify potential buyers. Did they get something wrong?


I couldnt put in more political buzzwords and intent if I tried.

As you often say, shrug. That's the market. My guess is they've identified
you quite well.

--
Ed Huntress

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:29 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


At over 800 pages, it's thick enough to use for body armor. How many
bullets
has it taken?

To my knowledge, none. But if it has to take one, I hope it saves the
person carrying it. Then Ill cough up and put another one in the
circuit

You could wait a bit and see if you get a deal on the remaindered copies.
Then you could start a "Hillbilly Armor" website and take collections.
After
a few Humvee patrols pass by, the streets of Falluga will look like
they're
covered with confetti.

--
Ed Huntress


Only after the remaining copies of Earth In the Balance are used up.

Not enough boilerplate in it. It's the cliched boilerplate that makes a book
a good piece of armor. g

--
Ed Huntress

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:01:23 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

It may be their job to do so objectivly...but their review read like
it was written by Michael Moore. So much for what passes for
objectivity, huh?

They aren't trying to be objective. They're trying to be accurate. And
they've probably nailed the market identifiers for this one dead-nutz, based
on the subject, size, cover illustration, and treatment.

It isn't a political tract or analysis. It's a heads-up for booksellers that
will help them identify potential buyers. Did they get something wrong?

Yes they got virtually all of it wrong. And they used the buzzwords
fo the Left to do it.

Gunner



" We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of
Shakespeare...Thanks to AOL and WebTv, we know this is not possible."

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:01:23 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

It may be their job to do so objectivly...but their review read like
it was written by Michael Moore. So much for what passes for
objectivity, huh?

They aren't trying to be objective. They're trying to be accurate. And
they've probably nailed the market identifiers for this one dead-nutz,
based
on the subject, size, cover illustration, and treatment.

It isn't a political tract or analysis. It's a heads-up for booksellers
that
will help them identify potential buyers. Did they get something wrong?

Yes they got virtually all of it wrong. And they used the buzzwords
fo the Left to do it.

Gunner

Well, maybe you could offer to write a review of your own. My guess is that,
once they saw *your* buzzwords, the booksellers would get exactly the same
idea about the market for that book that they got from the original review.
g

--
Ed Huntress