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Jim K... wrote:
Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:42:11 UTC+1, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. Yes; I had seen the wall before, including before it had plants! I just met a builder, by chance, who said that bricklaying costs at least £1 per brick, so I'll get a minimum value from the surface area of the proposed wall divided by the surface area of the side of a brick. Wall say 60 feet long by 3 feet high by 2 sides = 360 sq ft. Leaning out of window with tape measure, brick+mortar is 9 ins by 3 ins, calculator says 360*144/27 = 1920 - for bricklaying alone ~ £2000 minimum. Google swiftly finds that ordinary good bricks are about £1 each, so another £2000 for bricks. Then there's foundations, requiring digging up a 40-yr old unkempt hedge and I suppose pouring concrete, buying earth .... Total, therefore, at least several thousand pounds. Any improvements for the above? -- (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK. Gmail: dr.s.lartius@ | |
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On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 3:16:38 PM UTC+1, Dr S Lartius wrote:
On Thursday, 19 September 2019 14:42:11 UTC+1, Chris J Dixon wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. Yes; I had seen the wall before, including before it had plants! I just met a builder, by chance, who said that bricklaying costs at least £1 per brick, so I'll get a minimum value from the surface area of the proposed wall divided by the surface area of the side of a brick. I suspect that price is all-in, for laying commons. No way does just the labour cost £1/brick unless a bricky is earning £500 a day nowadays.. Wall say 60 feet long by 3 feet high by 2 sides = 360 sq ft. Leaning out of window with tape measure, brick+mortar is 9 ins by 3 ins, calculator says 360*144/27 = 1920 - for bricklaying alone ~ £2000 minimum. Google swiftly finds that ordinary good bricks are about £1 each, so another £2000 for bricks. Then there's foundations, requiring digging up a 40-yr old unkempt hedge and I suppose pouring concrete, buying earth ... Total, therefore, at least several thousand pounds. Any improvements for the above? -- (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK. Gmail: dr.s.lartius@ | |
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Chris J Dixon Wrote in message:
Jim K... wrote: Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. Chris So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jim K... wrote:
Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On 19/09/2019 13:53, Dr S Lartius wrote:
A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. We would like to know VERY ROUGHLY what the cost might be for 20 metres of such a wall, with earth but not plants, so as to choose between "We can easily afford that", "We must investigate further", and "Far too expensive, we'll do something else". Failing that, we would like to know what that sort of wall is properly called, to help with our Google/Wikipedia research. remember and factor in those two courses of engineering bricks as a DPC ....... |
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Chris J Dixon Wrote in message:
Jim K... wrote: Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris Ah..even more clearly visible now is the rendered block? inner skin of the wall on the other side of the corner... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 19/09/2019 16:17, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 19/09/2019 13:53, Dr S Lartius wrote: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed.* In the picture, it is growing little bushes. We would like to know VERY ROUGHLY what the cost might be for 20 metres of such a wall, with earth but not plants, so as to choose between "We can easily afford that", "We must investigate further", and "Far too expensive, we'll do something else". Failing that, we would like to know what that sort of wall is properly called, to help with our Google/Wikipedia research. remember and factor in those two courses of engineering bricks as a DPC ...... then again why did they bother?.... |
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Chris J Dixon wrote:
Jim K... wrote: Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris Or from here you can see the inside of the wall and the hedge now appears outside indicating that its between walls. https://goo.gl/maps/wSoQ23GvovQW2moB9 -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Chris J Dixon wrote: Jim K... wrote: Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris Or from here you can see the ?inside? of the wall and the hedge now appears ?outside? indicating that it?s between walls. https://goo.gl/maps/wSoQ23GvovQW2moB9 As my last post presumably? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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![]() "Jim K..." wrote in message o.uk... Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? Corse the buggers would have to put the street name all over the bloody return on the only really visible gate post. |
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![]() "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... On 19/09/2019 16:17, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: On 19/09/2019 13:53, Dr S Lartius wrote: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. We would like to know VERY ROUGHLY what the cost might be for 20 metres of such a wall, with earth but not plants, so as to choose between "We can easily afford that", "We must investigate further", and "Far too expensive, we'll do something else". Failing that, we would like to know what that sort of wall is properly called, to help with our Google/Wikipedia research. remember and factor in those two courses of engineering bricks as a DPC ...... then again why did they bother?.... Habit without thought presumably. |
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![]() "Tim+" wrote in message ... Chris J Dixon wrote: Jim K... wrote: Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris Or from here you can see the inside of the wall and the hedge now appears outside indicating that its between walls. https://goo.gl/maps/wSoQ23GvovQW2moB9 Just as well the owners dont get notified every time someone perves at his wall. Could get a bit paranoid about burglars casing the joint etc. |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 05:59:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Just as well the owners dont get notified every time someone perves at his wall. Could get a bit paranoid about burglars casing the joint etc. Oh, darn! Did you HAVE to **** also in this thread, you pesky bluebottle? -- Richard addressing Rot Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 05:39:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Corse the buggers would have to put the street name all over the bloody return on the only really visible gate post. Nobody asked YOU anything, senile pest! So why do you keep answering questions? LOL -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 05:46:11 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: then again why did they bother?.... Habit without thought presumably. Again: NOBODY asked YOU anything! So why do you keep answering people's questions, you lonesome cantankerous senile idiot? BG -- Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak": "Thats because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******." Message-ID: |
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Somebody in my road seems to have put some terra cotter narrow planters on
top of a wall, tend not sure how, secured them to said wall with a tiny gap, one assumes for drainage and then has plants that flow over the sides to make it look like its all one wall.There are pillars at either end, as high as the top of the planter. I suspect the issue they may have is when there is little rain, but since I cannot see in detail these days, I'm not even sure its still there. I had considered this myself, but it looked too much like hard work or too much expense at the time. grin. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Jim K..." wrote in message ... Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. We would like to know VERY ROUGHLY what the cost might be for 20 metres of such a wall, with earth but not plants, so as to choose between "We can easily afford that", "We must investigate further", and "Far too expensive, we'll do something else". Failing that, we would like to know what that sort of wall is properly called, to help with our Google/Wikipedia research. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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In article becde371-3516-40a5-a073-20ce5607a623
@googlegroups.com, says... A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. A much simpler link for such posts is https://goo.gl/maps/uqT5pfYLx2RgUUwZ8 Just click on the three dots to the right of the street adress and select 'Share or embed image'. Then copy the link -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 20/09/2019 15:42, Terry Casey wrote:
View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? |
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says... On 20/09/2019 15:42, Terry Casey wrote: View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? The owner has told Google that they mustn't show their property in detail. There are often gaps in the Google coverage. For example, I was preparing a map for a CAMRA pub crawl a few months ago but a section of road over 300m long gidn't exist. You could approach from the south but when you gor so far, that was it. The same coming from the north. I try to make the map as accurate as possible butcouldn't find the precise location for the pub. I found it on on Open Streetmap and guess what? There was a primary school directly opposite! I looked at various other schools in the area and no problem, so it was obviouly blocked following a specific demand. -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 19/09/2019 14:42, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Jim K... wrote: Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. Chris I think it looks horrible though. I'd wonder whether it is full of earth, or just has a trough at the top. If I *were* building such a thing I'd be inclined to make it from 9 inch blocks with a brick facing at the front only. |
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On 19/09/2019 16:17, Jim K... wrote:
Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Chris J Dixon Wrote in message: Jim K... wrote: Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. So the returns on the gateposts mean there are two skins? I'm not sure what screen you are using, but on my PC in the middle of the shot you can see the second skin as it is visible through a gap in the planting. Chris Ah..even more clearly visible now is the rendered block? inner skin of the wall on the other side of the corner... So basically it's a big plant pot? -- Adam |
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On 19/09/2019 13:57, Jim K... wrote:
Dr S Lartius Wrote in message: A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. The wall is evidently mostly two thin brick walls, perhaps with ties between, and with a sufficient layer of earth at the top between, and something to hold that layer up, and maybe drainage - most of that is guessed. In the picture, it is growing little bushes. We would like to know VERY ROUGHLY what the cost might be for 20 metres of such a wall, with earth but not plants, so as to choose between "We can easily afford that", "We must investigate further", and "Far too expensive, we'll do something else". Failing that, we would like to know what that sort of wall is properly called, to help with our Google/Wikipedia research. Evidently you need to look closer, I don't see two skins... https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1atuz has 4:-) -- Adam |
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![]() "Terry Casey" wrote in message ... In article , says... Look he https://goo.gl/maps/BHricQGFm5z7BX2z7 The OP is correct. View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA The tops of the gate posts are very clumsily done. It would have been much better to just leave those bricks off. |
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Andrew May wrote
Terry Casey wrote https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? Thats where the street view camera car driver lives, silly. |
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:44:07 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? Thats where the street view camera car driver lives, silly. Oh, no! Not yet more of your senile "humour", you humourless, senile troll! -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:35:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA The tops of the gate posts are very clumsily done. It would have been much better to just leave those bricks off. Translation: "I would have done it much better, as usual! Why does nobody ever ask me first"! -- pamela about Rot Speed: "His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..." MID: |
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On Friday, 20 September 2019 15:38:16 UTC+1, Terry Casey wrote:
In article becde371-3516-40a5-a073-20ce5607a623 @googlegroups.com, SL says... A friend, in his travels, has seen the garden wall shown at and wants a similar wall to be built where he now lives. A much simpler link for such posts is https://goo.gl/maps/uqT5pfYLx2RgUUwZ8 Just click on the three dots to the right of the street adress and select 'Share or embed image'. Then copy the link. Thanks. I used to know how to do that, before Maps was "improved". In Map view, use the three dashes to the left of the address, and select similarly. Q1. Is it expected that the condensed form will give the same result for as long as Google Maps exists? Q2. How do they arrange that, when I drop the little man in Maps onto a location, the initial View is always facing in the opposite direction to what I want? -- (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK. Gmail: dr.s.lartius@ | |
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I think it looks horrible though. I'd wonder whether it is full of earth, or just has a trough at the top. If I *were* building such a thing I'd be inclined to make it from 9 inch blocks with a brick facing at the front only. This one near me looks like it would be strong enough to protect an embassy: https://goo.gl/maps/9WAtip1tAgxFSgE28 To my eye is simply seems out of scale for its position, and is only slightly "softened by the planting". Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK @ChrisJDixon1 Plant amazing Acers. |
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On Friday, 20 September 2019 21:13:17 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
So basically it's a big plant pot? Yes; but it also obstructs access and viewing. I have suggested to Google Maps that their Satellite view should offer Summer and Winter versions, since the latter would show what is at land level substantially better. -- (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK. Gmail: dr.s.lartius@ | |
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In article 0689425f-343d-404e-89ba-63d7bd38b071
@googlegroups.com, says... A much simpler link for such posts is https://goo.gl/maps/uqT5pfYLx2RgUUwZ8 Just click on the three dots to the right of the street adress and select 'Share or embed image'. Then copy the link. Thanks. I used to know how to do that, before Maps was "improved". In Map view, use the three dashes to the left of the address, and select similarly. Q1. Is it expected that the condensed form will give the same result for as long as Google Maps exists? Yes. But if you have your line length set to the generally accepted line length of 80 characters, the link fits neatly into one line. The long link breaks at the end of the line, so doesn't work without some repair work or using tinyurl (or similar). Q2. How do they arrange that, when I drop the little man in Maps onto a location, the initial View is always facing in the opposite direction to what I want? I think it is purely random but you are obviously unlucky! -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 20/09/2019 16:10, Andrew May wrote:
On 20/09/2019 15:42, Terry Casey wrote: View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? People can request it. There are 3 houses blocked here. Although Google did not do a good job of it at you can see the house on Princeport Road from the photo taken on Essexport Road. https://goo.gl/maps/MLaaxAv1Z8Ci82TXA -- Adam |
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On 21/09/2019 16:11, ARW wrote:
On 20/09/2019 16:10, Andrew May wrote: On 20/09/2019 15:42, Terry Casey wrote: View of the end of the wall, showng construction: https://goo.gl/maps/Bz5Kv5vdWoa3qN6RA I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? People can request it. There are 3 houses blocked here. Although Google did not do a good job of it at you can see the house on Princeport Road from the photo taken on Essexport Road. https://goo.gl/maps/MLaaxAv1Z8Ci82TXA Sorry two houses not three. There is a good cafe a few hundred metres away (that how I Googled the place) as I was working nearby. -- Adam |
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On Saturday, 21 September 2019 12:49:35 UTC+1, Terry Casey wrote:
In article 0689425f-343d-404e-89ba-63d7bd38b071 @googlegroups.com, SL says... A much simpler link for such posts is https://goo.gl/maps/uqT5pfYLx2RgUUwZ8 Just click on the three dots to the right of the street adress and select 'Share or embed image'. Then copy the link. Thanks. I used to know how to do that, before Maps was "improved". In Map view, use the three dashes to the left of the address, and select similarly. Q1. Is it expected that the condensed form will give the same result for as long as Google Maps exists? Yes. But if you have your line length set to the generally accepted line length of 80 characters, the link fits neatly into one line. The long link breaks at the end of the line, so doesn't work without some repair work or using tinyurl (or similar). In News, the lifetime of the link is not of great importance. But I often write in HTML (because I know enough of HTML better than I do of my other non-plaintext systems) and there line-length does not matter but longevity does. I have now remembered that when considering the cost of a wall, one should also consider its effect on the resale vale of the property. -- (c) Dr. S. Lartius, UK. Gmail: dr.s.lartius@ | |
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On 20/09/2019 19:37, Terry Casey wrote:
In article , says... I'm intrigued now. What is it about the house next door (across the side road) that has led Google to blur it all out? The owner has told Google that they mustn't show their property in detail. There are often gaps in the Google coverage. For example, I was preparing a map for a CAMRA pub crawl a few months ago but a section of road over 300m long gidn't exist. You could approach from the south but when you gor so far, that was it. The same coming from the north. I try to make the map as accurate as possible butcouldn't find the precise location for the pub. I found it on on Open Streetmap and guess what? There was a primary school directly opposite! I looked at various other schools in the area and no problem, so it was obviouly blocked following a specific demand. That is a little different. That is removing the whole photograph. My neighbour's is the same. He parks some expensive cars on his drive. But this shows the whole house blurred out. |
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