Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
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On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements,
in fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger.
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

On 11/09/2019 14:55, newshound wrote:
On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar


Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements,
in fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger.
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

And as an aside, I *really* don't like the look of the reviews on that
product. I would be quite suspicious that they were fake.

It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

On 11/09/2019 14:57, newshound wrote:


And as an aside, I *really* don't like the look of the reviews on that
product. I would be quite suspicious that they were fake.

I am sure they are fake. Could be wrong of course...

Bill

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:55:32 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements,
in fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger.
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

If I were to buy a Makita cordless jigsaw sans battery and charger,
what would be my options for the battery and charger?
Do you mean that Lidl chargers and batteries would fit the bill?
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:04:32 -0700 (PDT), "Tim+"
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It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

That was certainly my impression, especially as each review included a
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newshound expressed precisely :
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Those come without a battery and charger too. I think the reasoning is,
some will already have those for other units in their range, so sell
those items separately, then you can buy if needed.

On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8

Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8


Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

Oh, and he has bought twelve pairs of earbuds of various types since
May. All of which he rated five stars.

"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no
less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8
Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

Oh, and he has bought twelve pairs of earbuds of various types since May.
All of which he rated five stars.

Presumably the sellers pay him for the reviews.

On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.


Because you may already have batteries and a charger with other
compatible equipment.

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On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8


Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products


He seems to review at least 1 product every day on Amazon and on some
days half a dozen products. Never less than 5 starts.

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Mike Halmarack wrote:

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Because once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you
don't generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy
another tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several
years ago, got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact
combo set and have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when
I purchased a 36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a
dual charger.

In article ,
alan_m wrote:
On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.


Because you may already have batteries and a charger with other
compatible equipment.

as in my case using Ryobi One+: 2 drills, Circular saw, jig saw, stapler &
radio. 1 mains charger & one 12v charger (to run off car battery).

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Jim K... submitted this idea :
Handily it also means the batteries aren't covered by the usual
lidl 3 year guarantee....

Batteries were always excepted anyway..

Harry Bloomfield, Esq. Wrote in
message:
newshound expressed precisely :
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Those come without a battery and charger too. I think the reasoning is,
some will already have those for other units in their range, so sell
those items separately, then you can buy if needed.


Handily it also means the batteries aren't covered by the usual
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Andy Burns Wrote in message:
Mike Halmarack wrote:

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Because once you "buy in" to a given manufacturer's cordless tools, you
don't generally want an extra battery and charger every time you buy
another tool to add to the collection ... I chose 18V Makita several
years ago, got 3x 3.0Ah batteries and a charger with a drill/impact
combo set and have bought several "bare" tools since, only recently when
I purchased a 36V tool did I buy a pair of 5.0Ah batteries along with a
dual charger.



Snap! (But already had 2 chargers)
36v cowhorn strimmer for me!
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On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Look pretty suspect - only 5 reviews and all video?

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Because once you have bought into a "system" of batteries and chargers,
its often nice to be able to add tools at a much lower cost without
needing to duplicate batteries and chargers that you already have.



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On 11/09/2019 15:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:55:32 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements,
in fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger.
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

If I were to buy a Makita cordless jigsaw sans battery and charger,
what would be my options for the battery and charger?

You would need to buy some...

In many cases when starting with cordless tools you would probably buy
the first couple as complete kits with batteries and chargers. Then you
could add new tools as required as "bare" tools, and use the existing
batteries and chargers you have.

Do you mean that Lidl chargers and batteries would fit the bill?

No, they will only work for Lidl tools...

So pick a brand that has all the tools you might ever need, and start
there.


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On 11/09/2019 20:37, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:55:32 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar


Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements,
in fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger.
Just bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

If I were to buy a Makita cordless jigsaw sans battery and charger,
what would be my options for the battery and charger?

You would need to buy some...

In many cases when starting with cordless tools you would probably buy
the first couple as complete kits with batteries and chargers. Then you
could add new tools as required as "bare" tools, and use the existing
batteries and chargers you have.

Do you mean that Lidl chargers and batteries would fit the bill?

No, they will only work for Lidl tools...

So pick a brand that has all the tools you might ever need, and start
there.


Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until they
finally die. These days I am a light user (but something of a collector
of toys). I've mostly been happy with my non-cordless Lidl tools and
they are producing an increasing number of cordless tools. Note that
they have two different battery options. So when they had a relatively
cheap cordless angle grinder (something on my wish list for a while) I
bought one, plus charger and a couple of batteries. I passed on a
chainsaw on a stick the other day, but might get a cordless jigsaw next
time they have one.

On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8


Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

Perhaps Amazon are kindly flagging up to us that "Top 1000 reviewers"
may well not be what they seem.

Fake reviews are becoming more of a problem. But you can usually get the
sense of a product by looking at a reasonable number. People who mention
a slightly negative aspect are likely to be genuine.

On 11/09/2019 20:34, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar


Look pretty suspect - only 5 reviews and all video?


I hadn't spotted that and I barely looked at the reviews before deciding
I didn't like them, I was mainly commenting that I simply would not buy
a no-name cordless because of long term battery support. (I know that
most things use sub-c cells and, in the old days, I re-celled a few. But
now that there are half a dozen or so "big names" who have been around
for a long time, and whose reputation is likely to live or die around
batteries, I reckon it is worth sticking with one of them).

On 11/09/2019 20:52, newshound wrote:

Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until they
finally die.

Unfortunately Makita have replaced the battery technology (different
physical connection and battery protection circuits) since I purchased
my Makita cordless drill some years ago. Original replacement batteries
or cloned compatibles seem to be very much more expensive than the
latest batteries for their newer cordless tools. However as I already
have two of the older style of batteries, with charger, I recently
purchased a new cordless Makita impact driver (bare) for not much money.
The driver was "old stock" being sold at a discount.

I recently borrowed the current models of a Makita cordless SDS drill
and angle grinder with 4Ahr batteries. I was impressed with the
performance of both and they compared favourably with my older corded
models.

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Tim+ wrote:

It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim
As a matter of (genuine) interest, how do you tell that - does it say it
somewhere I've missed?

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On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Positive reviews are worthless, often all fake. Only way to learn anything is look at the -ve reviews.


NT

Is it the same ruse as printers with half filled cartridges but the refills
are as expensive as the printer?
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On 11/09/2019 14:43, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

Personally I wouldn't touch it. Now, I only buy stuff where I can share
batteries and am confident they will stay available for some time. I run
on Makita 14.4 and 18V Nicads and you can still get clone replacements, in
fact you can now get NiMH too which charge from the same charger. Just
bought my first Lidl 20 volt tool plus battery and charger.

Naked with batteries and chargers separate is a sales strategy to suit
buyers like me.

Roger Hayter wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim
As a matter of (genuine) interest, how do you tell that - does it say it
somewhere I've missed?


Rather than following that link I just searched amazon for cordless
jigsaws. It appeared at the top of the page with €œsponsored€� next to it.

Amazon is awash with sponsored no-name products all with glowing 5 star
reviews. Given that they are never household names you have to ask yourself
how theyve all go 5 star reviews so quickly. Simple answer is that the
sellers have paid for the ad AND the reviews. Its clearly very lucrative.

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On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

I have several battery power tools - but I don't think I'd bother with a jigsaw.

I've got a fairly inexpensive mains one and for my frequency of use, a cordless would be litle to no benefit. Also, would be heavier.

Jigsaw is something that is sometimes essential but, much of the time, I try to avoid.

On 12/09/2019 05:51, wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Positive reviews are worthless, often all fake. Only way to learn anything is look at the -ve reviews.


They are often fake too.
They are also done by people that don't have a clue about how to use the
product.

Then there are the really odd one like "product doesn't work.. 5 stars"

Tim+ wrote:

Roger Hayter wrote:
Tim+ wrote:

It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim
As a matter of (genuine) interest, how do you tell that - does it say it
somewhere I've missed?


Rather than following that link I just searched amazon for cordless
jigsaws. It appeared at the top of the page with "sponsored" next to it.

Amazon is awash with sponsored no-name products all with glowing 5 star
reviews. Given that they are never household names you have to ask yourself
how they've all go 5 star reviews so quickly. Simple answer is that the
sellers have paid for the ad AND the reviews. It's clearly very lucrative.

Tim

Thanks. While I had noticed the unknown name products I hadn't spotted
the "sponsorship" system.

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On 11/09/2019 19:26, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Jim K... submitted this idea :
Handily it also means the batteries aren't covered by the usual
*lidl 3 year guarantee....

Batteries were always excepted anyway..

The battery in my HP laptop was out of warranty but they replaced it, no
questions asked. This was two weeks ago.

I gave them 10 out of 10.

I suppose I could have scared them when I told them it was swelling up
but still passed diagnostics. They didn't even question why I. Had
dismantled the laptop.

Funny that they collected it and when it came back they had also
replaced the screen, keyboard and top because of hinge issues which I
hadn't noticed.

On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim


I have been offered free products for five star reviews.
I have only done one and it deserved five stars.

dennis@home submitted this idea :
The battery in my HP laptop was out of warranty but they replaced it, no
questions asked. This was two weeks ago.

I gave them 10 out of 10.

A few years ago now, but I had a problem where I needed just a
replacement for a damaged connector on an HP laptop motherboard. HP
flew a near complete faulty laptop from the US, free of cost, for me to
cannibalise for parts.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT), polygonum_on_google
wrote:

On Wednesday, 11 September 2019 14:43:55 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Just 11 fabulous 5 star reviews.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-rev...ews-filter-bar

Don't know why so many of the big name versions are being sold without
battery or charger.

I have several battery power tools - but I don't think I'd bother with a jigsaw.

I've got a fairly inexpensive mains one and for my frequency of use, a cordless would be litle to no benefit. Also, would be heavier.

Jigsaw is something that is sometimes essential but, much of the time, I try to avoid.

Looking back, it seems quite foolhardy that I spent so many years
cutting wood with hand saws. I never did like the sound of machines
much. I'd think nothing (at the time) of ripping 1 1/2" Oak or Elm
boards into 6 or 10 foot planks.

I didn't live in a cardboard box...etc.

Without a doubt such activities played a major part in producing the
physique that I enjoy today, which in its turn lead to the ultimatum
that had me retiring and transporting most of my handtools to Canada
and leaving them there. In good hands of course.

The finishing touch was a garage sale that cleared out the remainder.

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants, without incurring the wrath of my good
lady wife if she decides that I'm regressing into my previous state.
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On 11/09/2019 17:51, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew May" wrote in message
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On 11/09/2019 17:07, Andrew May wrote:
On 11/09/2019 15:04, Tim+ wrote:
It's a sponsored ad so the reviews are entirely untrustworthy.

Tim

The first review is written by one of Amazons 'Top 1000 reviewers' no
less:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFBWNS7Z5FDJETF4ZNDKTOGK63QA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_gw_btm?ie=UTF8
Just read his other reviews - goes to show that Amazon sells lots of
Amazing and Awesome products

Oh, and he has bought twelve pairs of earbuds of various types since
May. All of which he rated five stars.

Presumably the sellers pay him for the reviews.

IS it why people in the UK receive deliveries of pointless
silly items that they haven't ordered (or been asked to pay
for) ?.

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.


NT

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, 12 September 2019 13:32:59 UTC+1, Mike Halmarack wrote:

Now, due to nostalgia and a garage without electricity, I'm trying to
convince myself that a good quality, battery powered jigsaw will
provide all my sawing wants,

not a hope in hell. The closest you'll get to a universal saw is a handheld mains circular saw.


NT

Strange you should say that. I recently lost my Opinel in the move.
I've already found that I can do everything I want these days with a
jigsaw, albeit slowly. The difference is that I need a battery powered
model, because my garage has no electric supply.
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On 11/09/2019 21:23, alan_m wrote:
On 11/09/2019 20:52, newshound wrote:

Correct. My Makitas are now quite old but since they seem to be
indestructible it makes more sense just to replace batteries until
they finally die.

Unfortunately Makita have replaced the battery technology (different
physical connection and battery protection circuits) since I purchased
my Makita cordless drill some years ago.

Do you mean the NiCads?

Original replacement batteries
or cloned compatibles seem to be very much more expensive than the
latest batteries for their newer cordless tools.
Ebay item 202625450878, two 14.4 3AH NiMH for £24

Ebay item 123820818811, two 18V 3AH NiMH for £28