Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

On 25/08/2019 18:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could
we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Isn't that essentially what a self-charging hybrid has, but carried on
board?

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On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?


I think you'd face the argument that the red diesel is in breach of the
requirement[1] that it not be used "as fuel for a road vehicle" (subject
to the exceptions for tractors etc). It is after all just an
articulated diesel-electric.

[1] s.12 Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979
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On 25/08/2019 18:58, nightjar wrote:
On 25/08/2019 18:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car.
Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion
charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Isn't that essentially what a self-charging hybrid has, but carried on
board?


I was wondering why the EV charging socket that cost the customer £300
last week is powering a car that can do about a maximum of 20 miles when
using it's batteries before the ICE kicks in.

Make that 12 miles if the AC or heaters are on.


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On 25/08/2019 18:58, nightjar wrote:
On 25/08/2019 18:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car.
Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion
charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Isn't that essentially what a self-charging hybrid has, but carried on
board?


It is, but by having a trailer you'd only need to cart the genny around
for long journeys. For town driving, battery power would normally be okay.

On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?


A friend of mine rigged up a small trailer upon which was a petrol generator
to be towed behind (and trickle charge) an electric mobility scooter
and won his argument (can't remember whether ploddery or tax) that the
scooter was at all times powered bby its internal battery

On 25/08/2019 19:42, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could
we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?


A friend of mine rigged up a small trailer upon which was a petrol
generator
to be towed behind (and trickle charge) an electric mobility scooter
and won his argument (can't remember whether ploddery or tax) that the
scooter was at all times powered bby its internal battery


If the battery being charged wasn't directly providing energy for motive
power I can see the argument. As soon as they are linked to powering the
motors it becomes a diesel powered hybrid.

On 25/08/2019 18:58, nightjar wrote:
On 25/08/2019 18:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car.
Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion
charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Isn't that essentially what a self-charging hybrid has, but carried on
board?


They aren't nearly so crude.

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and
their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a
diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we
run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Nope, there is at least one electric car that has
an optional generator that goes in the car itself.

That very much depends on whether you are a farmer or not, but I have heard
that the Red Diesel exception is one of the things that might be
withdrawn to tackle global warming. Does any other country have such a
scheme?

I don't somehow think your plan would work as towing a trailer would I
imagine reduce the range and sitting on the e road running your generator
might be seen as actually powering the vehicle.
I do wonder how long it will be before many generators, compressors and the
like are regulated. These things sit there often for hours running doing
nothing and are hardly pollution free.
Brian

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"misterroy" wrote in message
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Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and
their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel
generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on
red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:56:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and
their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a
diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we
run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Nope

Take yourself and your senile **** out of normally evolved people's ngs,
senile asshole!

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MID:

Brian Gaff wrote

That very much depends on whether you are a farmer or not, but I have
heard that the Red Diesel exception is one of the things that might be
withdrawn to tackle global warming.

Does any other country have such a scheme?

Yep, but not many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_d...European_Union

I don't somehow think your plan would work as towing a trailer would I
imagine reduce the range and sitting on the e road running your generator
might be seen as actually powering the vehicle.

Corse it will work if the generator is big enough.

I do wonder how long it will be before many generators, compressors and
the like are regulated.

We have banned new 2 stroke ones.

These things sit there often for hours running doing nothing and are
hardly pollution free.

**** pollution.

"misterroy" wrote in message
...
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and
their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel
generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on
red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:58:48 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Brian Gaff wrote

That very much depends on whether you are a farmer or not, but I have
heard that the Red Diesel exception is one of the things that might be
withdrawn to tackle global warming.

Does any other country have such a scheme?

Yep, but not many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_d...European_Union

Good Lord! You REALLY got NOTHING in your senile life other than what goes
on in the newsgroups that you infest with your obnoxious presence!

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On 26/08/2019 07:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
That very much depends on whether you are a farmer or not, but I have heard
that the Red Diesel exception is one of the things that might be
withdrawn to tackle global warming. Does any other country have such a
scheme?

I don't somehow think your plan would work as towing a trailer would I
imagine reduce the range and sitting on the e road running your generator
might be seen as actually powering the vehicle.
I do wonder how long it will be before many generators, compressors and the
like are regulated. These things sit there often for hours running doing
nothing and are hardly pollution free.
Brian



We have to do something to avoid the problems caused by "greens".

In article ,
misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and
their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a
diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we
run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

Just how much driving do you do in the congestion zone? Are you a cab or
something?

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On 25/08/2019 20:42, Brian Reay wrote:
On 25/08/2019 18:58, nightjar wrote:
On 25/08/2019 18:06, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer
with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the
car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the
congestion charge?

It would have to be some generator ...

Isn't that essentially what a self-charging hybrid has, but carried on
board?


They aren't nearly so crude.


how outlandish ...

On Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:53:15 UTC+1, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?

Electric cars can't be driven whilst the charge lead is plugged in ****-fer-brains.
The solution is a plug in hybrid.

On 27/08/2019 11:37, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:53:15 UTC+1, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came
up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A
trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back
to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the
congestion charge?

Electric cars can't be driven whilst the charge lead is plugged in
****-fer-brains. The solution is a plug in hybrid.


The range extender on a BMW is a separate generator and engine that does
charge the battery while you are driving.


Its mounted under the bonnet somewhere.

Its not a hybrid you can't power the car from the generator.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 27/08/2019 11:37, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:53:15 UTC+1, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came
up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A
trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back
to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the
congestion charge?

Electric cars can't be driven whilst the charge lead is plugged in
****-fer-brains. The solution is a plug in hybrid.


The range extender on a BMW is a separate generator and engine that does
charge the battery while you are driving.


Its mounted under the bonnet somewhere.

Its not a hybrid you can't power the car from the generator.

it's still a "cheat" that likely to see it designated as "not an electric
vehicle" by those people offering discounts for such

On 27/08/2019 20:22, tim... wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 27/08/2019 11:37, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:53:15 UTC+1, misterroyÂ* wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came
up, and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A
trailer with a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back
to the car. Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the
congestion charge?

Electric cars can't be driven whilst the charge lead is plugged in
****-fer-brains. The solution is a plug in hybrid.


The range extender on a BMW is a separate generator and engine that does
charge the battery while you are driving.


Its mounted under the bonnet somewhere.

Its not a hybrid you can't power the car from the generator.

it's still a "cheat" that likely to see it designated as "not an
electric vehicle" by those people offering discounts for such




who cares?

On 25/08/2019 19:15, Robin wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car. Could
we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion charge?


I think you'd face the argument that the red diesel is in breach of the
requirement[1] that it not be used "as fuel for a road vehicle" (subject
to the exceptions for tractors etc).Â* It is after all just an
articulated diesel-electric.

[1] s.12 Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979

Would that apply if you drove on electric only, parked, started the
generator and left it charging the battery for the journey home?

SteveW

On 27/08/2019 22:34, Steve Walker wrote:
On 25/08/2019 19:15, Robin wrote:
On 25/08/2019 17:53, misterroy wrote:
Idly musing about life at work the other day, electric cars came up,
and their range. We struck upon a solution. A trailer. A trailer with
a diesel generator on it, the electricity going back to the car.
Could we run it on red diesel, and not have to pay the congestion
charge?


I think you'd face the argument that the red diesel is in breach of
the requirement[1] that it not be used "as fuel for a road vehicle"
(subject to the exceptions for tractors etc).Â* It is after all just an
articulated diesel-electric.

[1] s.12 Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979

Would that apply if you drove on electric only, parked, started the
generator and left it charging the battery for the journey home?


Possibly not.

But finding somewhere to park /in/ the CC Zone with an unattended diesel
generator running could be interesting.

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In article ,
Robin wrote:
Would that apply if you drove on electric only, parked, started the
generator and left it charging the battery for the journey home?


Possibly not.

But finding somewhere to park /in/ the CC Zone with an unattended diesel
generator running could be interesting.

Quite. I have to laugh at all these ways of getting round the CC, but
unless travelling through it (in which case why not go round it) how do
you get round the costs of parking in it?

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