I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.

Daniele

On 18/05/2019 14:39, D.M. Procida wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.


I would not expect an output from the transformer unless there is a load
on it. And the load would be detected by the components on the PCB.



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In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I
measure 240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at
least, I can't think that anything in the circuit after the
transformer could be responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I
guess that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.

Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than a
SMPS. But a short etc after the transformer could have caused it to burn
out.

Difficult to know without seeing it how easy it would be to replace the
transformer. You could trawl through Ebay or CPS etc for spares - but
you'd likely pay less for a complete used charger than a new transformer,
even if you can find an exact one. And if it's old the battery likely well
past its best.

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On 18/05/2019 11:44, D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele


If old iron cored transformer then it may have an embedded thermal fuse
in the primary winding. It's usually possible (if being careful) to cut
back the insulation and bypass said fuse - purely for testing purposes
of course.

On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me
that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major
and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm
buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

Dave Plowman (News) has brought this to us :
Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than a
SMPS.

SMPSU's have transformers too.

On 18/05/2019 17:23, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me
that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major
and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm
buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.


WTF?

--
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On Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:44:50 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

The transformer is generally the least likely item to fail, but it looks like it has. Measure the resistance of the secondary winding to be sure (with power disconnected)


NT

ARW wrote:

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.

I would not expect an output from the transformer unless there is a load
on it. And the load would be detected by the components on the PCB.

That surprises me. I would have expected to see 18V or whatever on the
output side leads, *unless* something in the PCB were shorting them (and
in which case, I would expect the fuse to have blown).

Daniele

GB wrote:

On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me
that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major
and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm
buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

I'm very sorry to hear it, and I would very happily give up any hope for
my drill in exchange for some cause for optimism for you. So I wish you
the very best of luck.

Daniele

On 18/05/2019 19:08, D.M. Procida wrote:
GB wrote:

On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me
that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major
and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm
buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

I'm very sorry to hear it, and I would very happily give up any hope for
my drill in exchange for some cause for optimism for you. So I wish you
the very best of luck.

Thanks. I very much hope that I have a better chance than your drill.


Daniele

On 18/05/2019 17:46, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:23, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told
me that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one
major and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself,
so I'm buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding
drill.


WTF?


That was pretty close to what I said, actually.

On 18/05/2019 19:39, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:46, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:23, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is
faulty and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound
to be knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told
me that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one
major and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself,
so I'm buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding
drill.


WTF?


That was pretty close to what I said, actually.


Going to peg it then?

--
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On 18/05/2019 17:49, wrote:
On Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:44:50 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I
measure 240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at
least, I can't think that anything in the circuit after the
transformer could be responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I
guess that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

The transformer is generally the least likely item to fail, but it
looks like it has. Measure the resistance of the secondary winding to
be sure (with power disconnected)

I can't agree. Thermal fuses age, plus if the regulation circuit is
faulty that can apply a larger than designed load on the transformer its
going to go pop.

As an example, I have in front of me a charger with a transformer.
Strangely the 3A plug fuse is o/c, and when replaced there is no output
from the transformer. The PCB has some beefy diodes, but the PCB below
these is blackened from heat.

I bought a new (old stock) charger and measured the transformer output
to find 30Vac. This charger is for Bosch 7.2V to 24V battery packs.

On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:39, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:46, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:23, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is
faulty and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound
to be knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they
told me that they found something else. So, that's two operations -
one major and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about
myself, so I'm buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your
bleeding drill.


WTF?


That was pretty close to what I said, actually.


Going to peg it then?


Mortality for the main op is around 2%, so the chances are rather high
that you'll have to put up with me a bit longer. None of this involves a
computerectomy.

On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible! And what do you mean, a transformer won't
have any voltage on the output unless it has a load?

Bill

On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Adam's going to peg it, too. It's only the timescale that's in doubt.

On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:39, D.M. Procida wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
Â*Â*Â* D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I
guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.


I would not expect an output from the transformer unless there is a load
on it. And the load would be detected by the components on the PCB.

Unloaded transformers give a much higher output voltage than their
rating, only falling into the normal range when loaded.

SteveW

On 18/05/2019 20:04, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Adam's going to peg it, too. It's only the timescale that's in doubt.


If I die before you I can haunt you.

--
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On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible! And what do you mean, a transformer won't
have any voltage on the output unless it has a load?

It does rather depend on how you interpret "transformer".

If you mean the whole charger, then yup its likely with modern li-ion
chargers, there will be no voltage output until a battery is sensed.
Older NiCd and NiMh, may or may not have voltage output at all times
depending on type.

If you mean transformer as in the internal component, then in the case
of an old linear supply - yup it will have AC volts on the output at all
times the primary is powered unless its knackered. I would have though
that linear style supplies in chargers are pretty rare for all but the
most feeble wall wart style chargers these days.

So that leaves a large number of SMPSUs - those will have much smaller
lighter transformers, and again its not uncommon to have then shutdown
their output on no load.


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On 18/05/2019 11:44, D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

If it's an old B&D Cordless it might well have NiCad batteries that are
now dead; not worth replacing and certainly not worth faffing about with
the charger. Go and get a Lithium Ion one from Aldi/Lidl.

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On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible! And what do you mean, a transformer won't
have any voltage on the output unless it has a load?


I'd say Adam was exercising his right in a multicultural society to take
what was the traditional approach in my upbringing to such news. Much
as I'd wondered when was the best time to send PM with my best wishes
for successful ops and a speedy recovery, and my enquiries about any
tools going begging if not.


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On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Honest.


--
Adam

May well have a thermal fuse and if that has gone well its gone due to an
issue.
That old a device probably used ni-cads and they do not have much of a
life, so unless you feel inclined to make up a battery pack from nickel
metal hydrides and make a proper charger that is smart enough to know when
to stop charging, maybe its time to been it?
Brian

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I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

Daniele

No that is not correct. There will be an AC voltage there, from there it
usually goes to a bridge rectifier and onto the rest of the charging
circuit, probably a capacitor and a chip controlling a transistor if its
quite old. My guess is that something has put a short across the transformer
and a thermal fuse inside it has melted to stop it catching fire. Could be
shorted turns, but more likely the bridge rectifiers failed on a mains spike
and trashed it I had this happen to a power supply for a sub woofer a
couple of years ago, but managed to switch it off before death of the
transformer. It just needed a more robust bridge rectifier fitted and a
surge protection mains connection!
Brian

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On 18/05/2019 14:39, D.M. Procida wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

I've opened up the charger. At the input of the transformer, I measure
240V. At the output, 0V (I'd expect 18V or so).

I assume this means that the transformer itself is broken - at least, I
can't think that anything in the circuit after the transformer could be
responsible.

I haven't desoldered the transformer from the circuit board, but I
guess
that would be a way of being sure.

Is that correct?

No LEDs, etc to tell you what is going on?

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.


I would not expect an output from the transformer unless there is a load
on it. And the load would be detected by the components on the PCB.



--
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In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) has brought this to us :
Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than
a SMPS.

SMPSU's have transformers too.

Yes, pet.

If you can't tell the difference between an analogue PS and SMPS at a
glance, best not to touch it.

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On 18/05/2019 20:04, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Adam's going to peg it, too. It's only the timescale that's in doubt.


If you're after sympathy, you're going about it the wrong way.

When I started work, men retired at 65 and lived for another 7 years
or so, while the ladies chattered on a few more years.

Now everyone seems to be living to 95+, and that age group
paid peanuts in NI when they were working, but were already
retired when NuLab had its massive top-down NHS re-org in
2001. They benefit from this but have never paid any of the
NI increases that were imposed on younger workers to pay
for it.

If you are over 70 then you are in 'profit' (unless you
were in the top 25% of taxpayers originally).

On 18/05/2019 22:31, ARW wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Honest.



+1. **** happens, even for those with colostomy bags.

On 18/05/2019 19:08, D.M. Procida wrote:
ARW wrote:

The LEDs (charging, fully-charged) are both off. There is no voltage at
the charger's output, which is why I opened it up to find out if I could
where the fault is.

I would not expect an output from the transformer unless there is a load
on it. And the load would be detected by the components on the PCB.

That surprises me. I would have expected to see 18V or whatever on the
output side leads, *unless* something in the PCB were shorting them (and
in which case, I would expect the fuse to have blown).

Daniele


If you allowed the battery voltage to drop too much then I thought
this could cause overheating and a fire, so the charger measures
the battery voltage and simply refused to charge at all as a
safety precaution.

Sometimes, removing the batteries and charging them with a
proper bench power supply that can supply a constant current
or voltage might recover them.

battery-powered tools need to be charged regularly, even if
not used for extended periods.

In article ,
GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty
and you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be
knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason
being that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me
that they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major
and one a bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm
buggered if I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

With most things like that better to find out ASAP. So more chance of
treating it.

Like many as we get older, I've had more than my fair share of the NHS in
the past year or so. Making me even more appreciative of it. And hating
******s like Farage who what to turn it into some money making scam even
more.

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On Saturday, 18 May 2019 19:49:38 UTC+1, Fredxx wrote:
On 18/05/2019 17:49, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 18 May 2019 11:44:50 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote:

The transformer is generally the least likely item to fail, but it
looks like it has. Measure the resistance of the secondary winding to
be sure (with power disconnected)

I can't agree. Thermal fuses age,

everything does. Thermal fuses are far more reliable than the electronics

plus if the regulation circuit is
faulty that can apply a larger than designed load on the transformer its
going to go pop.

it might if the electronics is already fried. That leaves the tranny as the most reliable part.


NT

Andrew wrote:

On 18/05/2019 20:04, GB wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:57, Bill Wright wrote:
On 18/05/2019 19:48, ARW wrote:


Going to peg it then?

Adam you're being horrible!

Adam's going to peg it, too. It's only the timescale that's in doubt.


If you're after sympathy, you're going about it the wrong way.

When I started work, men retired at 65 and lived for another 7 years
or so, while the ladies chattered on a few more years.

Now everyone seems to be living to 95+, and that age group
paid peanuts in NI when they were working, but were already
retired when NuLab had its massive top-down NHS re-org in
2001. They benefit from this but have never paid any of the
NI increases that were imposed on younger workers to pay
for it.

I am fairly certain that the only people to benefit from Blair's
reorganisation were big American health companies and anyone (mainly
nurses sick of hard work, and new MBA holders) who wanted a well-paid
management job despite no discernible management ability.



If you are over 70 then you are in 'profit' (unless you
were in the top 25% of taxpayers originally).


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"GB" wrote in message
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On 18/05/2019 14:50, ARW wrote:

I have an old B&D cordless drill; the batteries don't charge.

Either the batteries or the charger are faulty.

You really don't need to go any further. Even if the charger is faulty and
you can fix it, that won't help. The batteries are bound to be knackered.

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason being
that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me that
they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major and one a
bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm buggered if
I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

So you will be burning soon, bible basher. Great.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) has brought this to us :
Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than a
SMPS.

SMPSU's have transformers too.

But not ones that have 240V on their primary.

On Monday, 20 May 2019 06:40:24 UTC+1, billj wrote:
"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) has brought this to us :

Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than a
SMPS.

SMPSU's have transformers too.

But not ones that have 240V on their primary.

They pretty much all do of course.


NT

On Mon, 20 May 2019 15:39:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

I'm not full of joy at the moment, you may have noticed, the reason being
that I went for a scan before having an operation and they told me that
they found something else. So, that's two operations - one major and one a
bit less so. I'm not feeling optimistic about myself, so I'm buggered if
I'm going to feel optimistic about your bleeding drill.

So you will be burning soon, bible basher. Great.

NOT as soon as YOU, you abnormal 85-year-old senile pest!

--
Bod addressing senile Rodent:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
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On Mon, 20 May 2019 15:40:12 +1000, billj, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

SMPSU's have transformers too.

But not ones that have 240V on their primary.

Simply in auto-contradicting mode again, eh, you abnormal 85-year-old senile
pest? G

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On Monday, 20 May 2019 06:40:24 UTC+1, billj wrote:
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Dave Plowman (News) has brought this to us :

Right. Must be pretty old if it has an actual transformer, rather than
a
SMPS.

SMPSU's have transformers too.

But not ones that have 240V on their primary.

They pretty much all do of course.

Not in the sense of being directly wired to the mains input.
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