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Nightmare fitting cat6 faceplate modules.
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I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...21.html#pd-104 The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main cable in position. Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the connector. I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't fit the connector on to hold the wires in place. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Lee |
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Hi All I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...tone-module/37 6845421.html#pd-104 The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main cable in position. Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the connector. I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't fit the connector on to hold the wires in place. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Lee Use much deeper back boxes so there is room to bend the cable? -- Roger Hayter |
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Unfortunately they are the deep boxes and the walls are already made good so changing them will be difficult. TBH even a deeper box will be problematic as bending the cable seems to dislodge wires. Unless there is a trick to doing this.
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There should be a cable tie with the cat6 sockets.
Punch down the wires with the krone tool and then use the cable tie through a hoop that's on the the back of the socket to hold the wires down. Then refit wall plate and the wires should not dislodge. |
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On these unfortunately no cable ties or slots for some reason
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There should be a cable tie with the cat6 sockets. Punch down the wires with the krone tool and then use the cable tie through a hoop that's on the the back of the socket to hold the wires down. Then refit wall plate and the wires should not dislodge. That sounds like the type of modular connector that is right for the job - with cable entry at right angles. But the ones in the OP are designed to have the cable retained by a special clip in line with the socket, in the opposite direction. It would be expensive, but perhaps best, to replace them. -- Roger Hayter |
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Andrew wrote:
Does a domestic installation actually need CAT6 ?. cat5e is good for 1GbE and 2.5gbE to 100m, 5gbE "up to" 100m, and 10gbE "up to" 45m, so generally below mansion sizes there's no need to rip it out if you've already fitted cat5, but put cat6a in for future proofing. |
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Quick update. After some trial and error I have come up with an alternative which should work for those cases I need it. Essentially bring the cable in from the top (or bottom) and connect the correct wires to the nearest row of connectors. Then for the other row run the 2 left along the left side of the fitting and the 2 right along the right and then connect them in. This way I can put the plastic connector on to hold them in place. Clearly this doesn't help secure the cable itself but it seems secure once the cap is on.
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On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:58:21 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
wrote: Essentially bring the cable in from the top (or bottom) and connect the correct wires to the nearest row of connectors. Then for the other row run the 2 left along the left side of the fitting and the 2 right along the right and then connect them in. Careful you don't end up with relatively long sections of untwisted pairs, which can give you cross-talk. Ah - that doesn't sound good. The length of the longest piece would be about 25mm. Is that too much? |
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On Monday, 15 April 2019 18:32:12 UTC+1, wrote:
Hi All I bought a load of these (or at least they look like then) ages ago to terminate my cat 6 cables have clip into a faceplate https://m.dhgate.com/product/cat6-pu...21.html#pd-104 The cables are run in conduit in the wall and enter the back box either from the top or bottom. There is very little movement in the cables within the conduit. As far as I can make out, these connectors assume the cable comes in horizontally to the rear of the connector. The black plastic connector then helps to keep the individual wires in place and the main cable in position. Problem is that in my situation, getting cat6 to doing a 90 degree bend is difficult and to do this in such a confined space with little play on the cable in the wall almost impossible without disturbing the wires in the connector. I'm sure there must be a trick to using these but I can find it. I have tried wiring it so cable comes from above the connector and then pushes in to the connector(ie the top row are shorter wires and the bottom row go over the first and push into the second). This is more doable but I can't fit the connector on to hold the wires in place. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks Lee Get a box extension. https://www.edwardes.co.uk/en/produc...4aAiPxEALw_wcB |
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Nightmare fitting cat6 faceplate modules.
Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable.
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Lee Nowell wrote:
Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable. What is the cable to actually be used for? |
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They will largely be used as network sockets. Although most won't actually be used at least for the foreseeable
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On 20/04/2019 11:35, Lee Nowell wrote:
Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable. Any thoughts As long as you maintain the twist in each pair right to the connections, you are unlikely to suffer any problems at the distances you are likely to be running cables. SteveW |
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Thanks Steve. Do you mean neither scenario should make a difference?
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On 20/04/2019 13:59, Lee Nowell wrote:
Thanks Steve. Do you mean neither scenario should make a difference? I don't know how important the bend radius is, but as long as the twists are maintained as far as possible, each leg of a pair will still vary the same as its twin to any interference and the interface will not see the common mode noise. SteveW |
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Lee Nowell wrote:
They will largely be used as network sockets. Although most won't actually be used at least for the foreseeable I'm not sure I would advise speculative cat-6 wiring for future proofing. The rapid improvements in Wifi: high throughput, low latency, mesh, reliable connections suggest you against going to need it. |
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Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off
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Lee Nowell wrote:
Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. As to your other points, bend radius in cat 5e did matter, in so much as a kink in the cable would reduce it from gigabit to 100 Mb/s. I too have messed up faceplates. Deeper back boxes helped, but most of the time I now just let the wires come out of the wall and use a solid cable RJ45. But I'm just a novice so listen to the experts. |
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On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote:
Lee Nowell wrote: Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. But are they fast enough? I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that is independent of the other connections going on around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours. SteveW |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote: Lee Nowell wrote: Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. But are they fast enough? Yep, I've been playing videos over wifi for decades now. I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that is independent of the other connections going on around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours. Still works fine for playing videos. |
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Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:58:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Yep, I've been playing videos over wifi for decades now. I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that is independent of the other connections going on around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours. Still works fine for playing videos. Oh, darn! And you HAD to **** also in this thread, senile Rodent! -- "Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed: "You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad little ignorant ****." MID: |
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Streaming video in the grand scheme of things doesn't take that much bandwidth so wouldn't be noticeable on wired network. If you were doing large file transfers or frequent file access to a server (eg compiling code stored on the server) then might be more noticeable.
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On 21/04/2019 09:13, Steve Walker wrote:
On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote: Lee Nowell wrote: Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. But are they fast enough? I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that is independent of the other connections going on around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours. SteveW You may be right, my wireless bandwidth is only about two times what the disks in the server and PC can deliver. |
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On 21/04/2019 18:05, dennis@home wrote:
On 21/04/2019 09:13, Steve Walker wrote: On 20/04/2019 22:58, Erik the Pink wrote: Lee Nowell wrote: Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. But are they fast enough? I can confortably store a large file on my home server and edit it from a PC without copying it to the local hard disk, using a 1gb connection that is independent of the other connections going on around the house. Wireless on the other hand, has multiple devices all on the same channel and competing for bandwidth, plus many bands are in use by neighbours. SteveW You may be right, my wireless bandwidth is only about two times what the disks in the server and PC can deliver. The hardware raid 6 controller in our home server can saturate a gigabit wired connection by itself as can a couple of our PCs with Raid 0. Although it is not really required 99% of the time. Although an 802.11ac wireless connection has a theoretical performance of 1,300 Mbps, the typical, actual performance is, apparently, more like 200 Mbps and that is shared too. Admittedly, most people won't have a home server at all and don't typically hang 4 PCs and 2 laptops off it (usually at least 3 in use), plus using multiple satellite boxes around the house, all sharing their tuners and recording and timeshifting continuously to a single box. I prefer those wired connections and the knowledge that there will be no bottlenecks crippling recording or timeshift while transferring data from server to PC or vice-versa. SteveW |
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In article , Lee
Nowell scribeth thus Thanks for all the advice. I guess the question now is whether it is least worse to have 4 of the wires longer (Circa 25mm) than the recommended amount or have a 90 deg bend in the cable. Any thoughts As long as there not any more and close together the twist over that distance isn't that crucial.. -- Tony Sayer Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself. |
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In article , Erik the Pink
scribeth thus Lee Nowell wrote: Yes maybe although wired us always more reliable. Having said that, these wires I run several years ago it is only now that I have got around to terminating them so since I bought the gear already thought I might as well finish the job off Fair enough, my point was just that we are probably now on the cusp on the point where wireless connections are reliable enough. Yes the wireless may well and will be by itself, but the problem is the amount of interference from other users around these days!... As to your other points, bend radius in cat 5e did matter, in so much as a kink in the cable would reduce it from gigabit to 100 Mb/s. I too have messed up faceplates. Deeper back boxes helped, but most of the time I now just let the wires come out of the wall and use a solid cable RJ45. But I'm just a novice so listen to the experts. -- Tony Sayer Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself. |
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