The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.

--
Davey.

Davey wrote:

The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm

On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.


Mind your own business (but have your camera ready).

Bill

On 15/04/2019 19:22, Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.


Mind your own business (but have your camera ready).

:-)


--
Adam

How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?

Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.


Mind your own business (but have your camera ready).

Bill
Exactly.

In the local paper around 6 years ago a Polish builder slipped while doing
work on a neighbours roof in Surbiton and slipped off diagonally and went
straight through the next doors conservatory roof. He broke his leg and
suffered cuts and bruises. I never heard what happened but a simple safety
harness might have saved him.
Brian

--
----- --
This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
The Sofa of Brian Gaff...

Blind user, so no pictures please
Note this Signature is meaningless.!
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.


Mind your own business (but have your camera ready).

Bill

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:22:24 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

Davey wrote:

The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr),
and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm

That appears to lead to a host of "Well, maybe, possibly" results.

When I worked in the US in industrial construction, it was absolutely
spelld out what, why, where all PPE was required. To the point of
absurdity sometimes, it seemed to us who had to abide by it. And then I
went to work in Mexico, and watched guys up in the rafters doing
cleaning, with harnesses on, but attached to nothing.

The camera is ready, and already has some shots of them on the roof.
--
Davey.

On 16/04/2019 10:07, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:22:24 +0100
Andy Burns wrote:

Davey wrote:

The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr),
and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm

That appears to lead to a host of "Well, maybe, possibly" results.

When I worked in the US in industrial construction, it was absolutely
spelld out what, why, where all PPE was required. To the point of
absurdity sometimes, it seemed to us who had to abide by it. And then I
went to work in Mexico, and watched guys up in the rafters doing
cleaning, with harnesses on, but attached to nothing.

It is amazing how much OTT H&S can slow and cost, while basic things get
ignored.

In the UK one industrial site that I was involved with went mad on
"working at height" - requiring our electricians to wear harnesses when
they were working on a scaffold platform where their feet were only 1m
from the ground! They simply needed to reach over the top of a 2.1m tall
panel to gland off cables coming into it. All a harness did was to
prevent them moving sideways or backwards at all, as they had to be kept
so short to prevent them hitting the floor if they fell. However, one of
our guys was walking behind the building, with the client's maintenance
manager, when someone ran across a pipe-bridge with no walkway or
railings and was immediately challenged as to whether it was one of our
guys - it wasn't and the subject was simply dropped.

Another site was even worse (a bakery around Leicester). I visited a few
times to see how our guys were getting on and they were complaining
about the requirement for hi-viz vests. It was very hot weather and they
were uncomfortable to wear. The only place they were needed was outside
the building, on the back road - which would have been fair enough, but
the only place they needed to access was a new chiller unit, which was
accessed via a door right next to it and completely surrounded by newly
installed Armco. There was no need at all for the vests there, but the
client refused to relax the rules at all. A year or so later, after the
building had been pased back to the client, they completely ignored
maintenance rules when they had a problem with the linear oven (about
25m long and bread was conveyed through on a stainless-steel belt as it
baked). They were supposed to shut it down, remove all the side panels
and wait 8 hours for it to cool. They shut down, did not remove the side
panels, waited 4 hours and sent two guys in on the conveyor. It was
still very hot, there were raised dividers on the belt, so the guys
could not crawl out and they screamed and screamed as they were burnt to
death. I found out about that one when an H&SE publication detailing a
number events leading to high-value fines crossed my desk.

SteveW

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:21:40 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

In the local paper around 6 years ago a Polish builder slipped while doing
work on a neighbours roof in Surbiton and slipped off diagonally and went
straight through the next doors conservatory roof. He broke his leg and
suffered cuts and bruises. I never heard what happened but a simple safety
harness might have saved him.
Brian

Hmm,
nowhere in any risk assesment I have seen points out that a
safety harness carries it's own risks.

I have often questioned the practice of using PPE as a final solution
without regard to the actual risks of using the PPE itself.

Safety harnesses are well known producers of lactic acid incidentally.



AB

Cynic wrote

How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?

Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves
regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most
of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously
with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and
by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes.

On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:04:54 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Cynic wrote

How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?

Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves
regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most
of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously
with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and
by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes.

nannying only makes people more stupid. It does seem to save children's lives but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults.

wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Cynic wrote

How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?

Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves
regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most
of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously
with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and
by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes.

nannying only makes people more stupid.

Not necessarily, most obviously with compulsory wearing
of seat belts, making cars much less likely to kill the car's
occupants in other than a high speed crash, and with
fully divided freeways/motorways which mean that
most of the run of the road accidents are survivable.

It does seem to save children's lives

No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky.

but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults.

More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents
keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things
are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most
obviously with those killed by electrocution.

Rod Speed wrote:


It does seem to save children's lives

No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky.

but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults.

More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents
keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things
are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most
obviously with those killed by electrocution.



Well if you will live in a place where it is technically illegal even to
put a plug on a flex unless you have been on a course.

Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything
and learn as they go who end up bored stiff . They then pass the time
making comments to be read in another country as their own is so boring.


GH

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:04:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?

Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves

Not to forget senile assholes like you that get up every morning between 1
and 4 am, just to log into the computer and start pestering people on Usenet
with their senile presence!

--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed:
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it."
MID:

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:28:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the abnormal senile asshole's latest self-opinionated,
auto-contradicting senile bull****

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

Marland wrote
Rod Speed wrote

It does seem to save children's lives

No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky.

but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults.

More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents
keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things
are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most
obviously with those killed by electrocution.

Well if you will live in a place where it is
technically legal even to put a plug on a
flex unless you have been on a course.

I dont, ****wit.

Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything

How odd that we are free to design and build our own houses on a bare block
of land.

and learn as they go who end up bored stiff .

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys.

reams of your even more pig ignorant **** flushed where it belongs

On 15/04/2019 19:22, Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection
Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety
harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey
building now.

Just wondering.


Mind your own business (but have your camera ready).

Bill

Is the scaffolding made of bamboo poles lashed together ?.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:48:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I don¢t, ****wit.

Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything

How odd that we are free to design and build our own houses on a bare block
of land.

and learn as they go who end up bored stiff .

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys.

reams of your even more pig ignorant **** flushed where it belongs

You came across another poster who DID find out already what's the matter
with you, senile Rodent? LOL

--
"Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed:
"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID: