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The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and
the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. -- Davey. |
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Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm |
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On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote:
The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. Mind your own business (but have your camera ready). Bill |
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On 15/04/2019 19:22, Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. Mind your own business (but have your camera ready). :-) -- Adam |
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How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today?
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Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. Mind your own business (but have your camera ready). Bill Exactly. |
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In the local paper around 6 years ago a Polish builder slipped while doing
work on a neighbours roof in Surbiton and slipped off diagonally and went straight through the next doors conservatory roof. He broke his leg and suffered cuts and bruises. I never heard what happened but a simple safety harness might have saved him. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Bill Wright" wrote in message ... On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. Mind your own business (but have your camera ready). Bill |
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:22:24 +0100
Andy Burns wrote: Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm That appears to lead to a host of "Well, maybe, possibly" results. When I worked in the US in industrial construction, it was absolutely spelld out what, why, where all PPE was required. To the point of absurdity sometimes, it seemed to us who had to abide by it. And then I went to work in Mexico, and watched guys up in the rafters doing cleaning, with harnesses on, but attached to nothing. The camera is ready, and already has some shots of them on the roof. -- Davey. |
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On 16/04/2019 10:07, Davey wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:22:24 +0100 Andy Burns wrote: Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/2015/domestic-clients.htm That appears to lead to a host of "Well, maybe, possibly" results. When I worked in the US in industrial construction, it was absolutely spelld out what, why, where all PPE was required. To the point of absurdity sometimes, it seemed to us who had to abide by it. And then I went to work in Mexico, and watched guys up in the rafters doing cleaning, with harnesses on, but attached to nothing. It is amazing how much OTT H&S can slow and cost, while basic things get ignored. In the UK one industrial site that I was involved with went mad on "working at height" - requiring our electricians to wear harnesses when they were working on a scaffold platform where their feet were only 1m from the ground! They simply needed to reach over the top of a 2.1m tall panel to gland off cables coming into it. All a harness did was to prevent them moving sideways or backwards at all, as they had to be kept so short to prevent them hitting the floor if they fell. However, one of our guys was walking behind the building, with the client's maintenance manager, when someone ran across a pipe-bridge with no walkway or railings and was immediately challenged as to whether it was one of our guys - it wasn't and the subject was simply dropped. Another site was even worse (a bakery around Leicester). I visited a few times to see how our guys were getting on and they were complaining about the requirement for hi-viz vests. It was very hot weather and they were uncomfortable to wear. The only place they were needed was outside the building, on the back road - which would have been fair enough, but the only place they needed to access was a new chiller unit, which was accessed via a door right next to it and completely surrounded by newly installed Armco. There was no need at all for the vests there, but the client refused to relax the rules at all. A year or so later, after the building had been pased back to the client, they completely ignored maintenance rules when they had a problem with the linear oven (about 25m long and bread was conveyed through on a stainless-steel belt as it baked). They were supposed to shut it down, remove all the side panels and wait 8 hours for it to cool. They shut down, did not remove the side panels, waited 4 hours and sent two guys in on the conveyor. It was still very hot, there were raised dividers on the belt, so the guys could not crawl out and they screamed and screamed as they were burnt to death. I found out about that one when an H&SE publication detailing a number events leading to high-value fines crossed my desk. SteveW |
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:21:40 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
wrote: In the local paper around 6 years ago a Polish builder slipped while doing work on a neighbours roof in Surbiton and slipped off diagonally and went straight through the next doors conservatory roof. He broke his leg and suffered cuts and bruises. I never heard what happened but a simple safety harness might have saved him. Brian Hmm, nowhere in any risk assesment I have seen points out that a safety harness carries it's own risks. I have often questioned the practice of using PPE as a final solution without regard to the actual risks of using the PPE itself. Safety harnesses are well known producers of lactic acid incidentally. AB |
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Cynic wrote
How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today? Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes. |
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On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:04:54 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Cynic wrote How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today? Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes. nannying only makes people more stupid. It does seem to save children's lives but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults. |
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Rod Speed wrote Cynic wrote How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today? Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves regardless of the nannyism of today, and before most of them have spawned any brats too, most obviously with those that kill themselves with illegal drugs and by stabbing each other and riding bikes and motorbikes. nannying only makes people more stupid. Not necessarily, most obviously with compulsory wearing of seat belts, making cars much less likely to kill the car's occupants in other than a high speed crash, and with fully divided freeways/motorways which mean that most of the run of the road accidents are survivable. It does seem to save children's lives No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky. but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults. More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most obviously with those killed by electrocution. |
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Rod Speed wrote:
It does seem to save children's lives No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky. but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults. More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most obviously with those killed by electrocution. Well if you will live in a place where it is technically illegal even to put a plug on a flex unless you have been on a course. Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything and learn as they go who end up bored stiff . They then pass the time making comments to be read in another country as their own is so boring. GH |
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:04:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: How the hell can Darwinism work with all the nannyism of today? Plenty of the stupids still manage to kill themselves Not to forget senile assholes like you that get up every morning between 1 and 4 am, just to log into the computer and start pestering people on Usenet with their senile presence! -- Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed: "Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total ******** most of it." MID: |
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:28:55 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the abnormal senile asshole's latest self-opinionated, auto-contradicting senile bull**** -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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Marland wrote
Rod Speed wrote It does seem to save children's lives No seems about it. Few now die when doing something risky. but I very much suspect it results in more deaths as adults. More fool you, it doesnt. The death rate thru accidents keeps dropping with adults, essentially because things are now much less risky even for the most stupid, most obviously with those killed by electrocution. Well if you will live in a place where it is technically legal even to put a plug on a flex unless you have been on a course. I dont, ****wit. Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything How odd that we are free to design and build our own houses on a bare block of land. and learn as they go who end up bored stiff . Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys. reams of your even more pig ignorant **** flushed where it belongs |
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On 15/04/2019 19:22, Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/04/2019 14:54, Davey wrote: The neighbours are having an extension to their house built (Grrr), and the people doing the work appear to have no Personal Protection Equipment at all. Should they have things like hardhats, safety harnesses, at alia? They are at roof-ridge level on a two-storey building now. Just wondering. Mind your own business (but have your camera ready). Bill Is the scaffolding made of bamboo poles lashed together ?. |
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:48:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: I donąt, ****wit. Breeds unthinking idiots who depend on others but not able to do anything How odd that we are free to design and build our own houses on a bare block of land. and learn as they go who end up bored stiff . Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys. reams of your even more pig ignorant **** flushed where it belongs You came across another poster who DID find out already what's the matter with you, senile Rodent? LOL -- "Anonymous" to trolling senile Rot Speed: "You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad little ignorant ****." MID: |
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