I am assuming that the screen used for a TV and a monitor is probably from
the same production run - but I could be wrong.

I was looking at replacing two monitors with a single UHD monitor (which
would have to be at least 32" to give me the same combined screen size)
and I cross checked with TVs.

32" UHD monitors seem to come in around £350, see
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU3...ra-Monitor/dp/
B07BVXGBHT?
but 40" TVs come in much the same, see
https://ao.com/product/ue40nu7120-samsung-nu7000-tv-
charcoal-57593-108.aspx
although I note that this one is A rated.

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

One theory is that suppliers sell more UHD TVs than UHD monitors so there
might be more bargains around. Certainly not a "gaming" premium.

Yes, I'm bored and my credit card is itching.

Cheers




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On 16 Feb 2019 21:02:26 GMT, David wrote:

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor?

They have been tempting ever since HD came in, but ever more so now
they're 4k. But there's a bunch of things to consider when you're using
it for text from two feet away that don't matter with movies at ten
feet.

Make sure you're looking at a size that'll give you sensible sized
pixels. Windows' default DPI is 96, and it is still a bit pants at
in-betweeny resolutions, and indeed at hiDPI - you'll occasionally get
teenytiny panels popping up. A 40" 4k is 110dpi, so will give you a
slightly small display at normal resolution. 32" at 4k is ecch, just all
wrong either native or hiDPI 2x mode. 44" (96dpi) might be a better
choice if you have aging eyes.

Make sure the TV has a PC mode or a Game mode, which switches off all
the telly's fancy image processing brains and just passes the signal
through, or it'll look awful. It must support 4:4:4 uncompressed colour
mode too ("UHD Colour" is the tag), or you will lose definition if it
only runs 4:2:2 or worse.

Make sure your graphics card can handle 60hz 4k, which needs HDMI v2.0
or higher. Running at HDMI1.x speeds of 30Hz is surprisingly awful.

And finally, make sure you can return the thing if it doesn't work out.

Cheers - Jaimie
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In uk.comp.homebuilt Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
On 16 Feb 2019 21:02:26 GMT, David wrote:

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor?

They have been tempting ever since HD came in, but ever more so now
they're 4k. But there's a bunch of things to consider when you're using
it for text from two feet away that don't matter with movies at ten
feet.

Jaimie covered most of them, but also:

Cheap TVs can have nasty scalers with lots of lag.
This can be annoying for scrolling and for gamers.

Check the controls. You may find you can't turn it on without the remote
control. It may be annoying to change input.

It probably doesn't have VGA or Displayport. Some machines may only be able
to output 4K on DP, not on HDMI.

Check how low the brightness goes. TVs viewed from a distance are often too
bright close up.

Make sure you have a high speed HDMI cable:
https://www.hdmi.org/consumer/finding_right_cable.aspx

Theo

On 16/02/2019 21:02, David wrote:
So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Beware. HDMI TVs put a significant lag in the video signal. Significant
enough to make using a mouse irritating.


I am not sure if they are better using a VGA connecteor, where fitted.


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David wrote:

I am assuming that the screen used for a TV and a monitor is probably from
the same production run - but I could be wrong.

I was looking at replacing two monitors with a single UHD monitor (which
would have to be at least 32" to give me the same combined screen size)
and I cross checked with TVs.

32" UHD monitors seem to come in around £350, see
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU3...ra-Monitor/dp/
B07BVXGBHT?
but 40" TVs come in much the same, see
https://ao.com/product/ue40nu7120-samsung-nu7000-tv-
charcoal-57593-108.aspx
although I note that this one is A rated.

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

One theory is that suppliers sell more UHD TVs than UHD monitors so there
might be more bargains around. Certainly not a "gaming" premium.

Yes, I'm bored and my credit card is itching.

Cheers

I don't know if you're planning to use a 40" TV, but I don't think
you'll find a smaller one. We had to use a monitor because we don't
want a TV bigger than 32".


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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
David wrote:

I am assuming that the screen used for a TV and a monitor is probably
from
the same production run - but I could be wrong.

I was looking at replacing two monitors with a single UHD monitor (which
would have to be at least 32" to give me the same combined screen size)
and I cross checked with TVs.

32" UHD monitors seem to come in around £350, see
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU3...ra-Monitor/dp/
B07BVXGBHT?
but 40" TVs come in much the same, see
https://ao.com/product/ue40nu7120-samsung-nu7000-tv-
charcoal-57593-108.aspx
although I note that this one is A rated.

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

One theory is that suppliers sell more UHD TVs than UHD monitors so there
might be more bargains around. Certainly not a "gaming" premium.

Yes, I'm bored and my credit card is itching.

Cheers

I don't know if you're planning to use a 40" TV, but I don't think
you'll find a smaller one. We had to use a monitor because we don't
want a TV bigger than 32".

Aldi has sold some of the smaller ones here this year.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 20:43:38 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Aldi has sold some of the smaller ones here this year.

Where's "here", you senile Ozzie troll?

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Rod Speed wrote:

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
David wrote:

I am assuming that the screen used for a TV and a monitor is probably
from
the same production run - but I could be wrong.

I was looking at replacing two monitors with a single UHD monitor (which
would have to be at least 32" to give me the same combined screen size)
and I cross checked with TVs.

32" UHD monitors seem to come in around £350, see
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU3...ra-Monitor/dp/
B07BVXGBHT?
but 40" TVs come in much the same, see
https://ao.com/product/ue40nu7120-samsung-nu7000-tv-
charcoal-57593-108.aspx
although I note that this one is A rated.

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

One theory is that suppliers sell more UHD TVs than UHD monitors so there
might be more bargains around. Certainly not a "gaming" premium.

Yes, I'm bored and my credit card is itching.

Cheers

I don't know if you're planning to use a 40" TV, but I don't think
you'll find a smaller one. We had to use a monitor because we don't
want a TV bigger than 32".

Aldi has sold some of the smaller ones here this year.

But were they 4k UHD? And were they in the UK?

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On 16/02/2019 22:22, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Make sure the TV has a PC mode or a Game mode, which switches off all
the telly's fancy image processing brains and just passes the signal
through, or it'll look awful.

Are there LCD TV's that don't have such a mode.

Every LCD TV I have bought has had a computer mode, even if I had to
spend some time googling to find it.

If you do buy a 4k uhd capable display irrespective of whether it's a TV set or pc monitor:

Checkb that your graphics card can support 4k natively or you will need to replace card with one.

Some computers have onboard graphics on the motherboard so you either replace the motherboard or disable the onboard graphics and fit a 4k uhd capable pci-e graphics card

On 17/02/2019 11:07, wrote:
If you do buy a 4k uhd capable display irrespective of whether it's a
TV set or pc monitor:

Checkb that your graphics card can support 4k natively or you will
need to replace card with one.

Some computers have onboard graphics on the motherboard so you either
replace the motherboard or disable the onboard graphics and fit a 4k
uhd capable pci-e graphics card


Id say maoist budget onbes do just that

https://developer.nvidia.com/4k-ultr...on-development

is an useful page to read. Nvidia cars are not expensive at entry level.


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On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 10:50:50 +0000, Paul Welsh
wrote:

On 16/02/2019 22:22, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Make sure the TV has a PC mode or a Game mode, which switches off all
the telly's fancy image processing brains and just passes the signal
through, or it'll look awful.

Are there LCD TV's that don't have such a mode.

Every LCD TV I have bought has had a computer mode, even if I had to
spend some time googling to find it.

Same here, but I buy 2nd-tier-from-last-year tellies so they are always
fully features. Supermarket low end ones sometimes have no such obvious
options, I've met at least two without even a 1:1 pixel mapping mode -
mandatory overscan. Mad. I mean sure, you can probably google up the
engineer menu on those too, but it's a PITA.

Cheers - Jaimie
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In article ,
David wrote:
o is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

Do check the TV has the ability switch off overscan. Many smaller TVs
overscan, and may not give the option. And you lose the start button on
Windows. ;-)

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On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 22:22:18 +0000, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On 16 Feb 2019 21:02:26 GMT, David wrote:

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor?

They have been tempting ever since HD came in, but ever more so now
they're 4k. But there's a bunch of things to consider when you're using
it for text from two feet away that don't matter with movies at ten
feet.

Make sure you're looking at a size that'll give you sensible sized
pixels. Windows' default DPI is 96, and it is still a bit pants at
in-betweeny resolutions, and indeed at hiDPI - you'll occasionally get
teenytiny panels popping up. A 40" 4k is 110dpi, so will give you a
slightly small display at normal resolution. 32" at 4k is ecch, just all
wrong either native or hiDPI 2x mode. 44" (96dpi) might be a better
choice if you have aging eyes.

Make sure the TV has a PC mode or a Game mode, which switches off all
the telly's fancy image processing brains and just passes the signal
through, or it'll look awful. It must support 4:4:4 uncompressed colour
mode too ("UHD Colour" is the tag), or you will lose definition if it
only runs 4:2:2 or worse.

Make sure your graphics card can handle 60hz 4k, which needs HDMI v2.0
or higher. Running at HDMI1.x speeds of 30Hz is surprisingly awful.

And finally, make sure you can return the thing if it doesn't work out.

Good information.

I am idly looking at Samsung, LG and Panasonic with an eye to 2018 models
which should carry some discount in 2019. My shop window is Amazon but if
I get tempted I will cross check with other suppliers.

43" seems to be the main size - noted (with thanks) that 32" may well be a
bad idea.

There are so many variants on the same model (I think mainly due to the
feature set and built in processor) that it is a bit of a minefield.

The reviews can be interesting but I tend to discount the "wonderful" ones
and look for the thoughtful and informed low star ratings. Not "broken on
delivery" but comments about network connectivity, display lag and the
like.

Should I ignore the LCD screens and just go for LED/OLED? Or doesn't it
make much difference when using as a monitor?


Cheers




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On 16/02/2019 22:22, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Make sure the TV has a PC mode or a Game mode, which switches off all
the telly's fancy image processing brains and just passes the signal
through, or it'll look awful. It must support 4:4:4 uncompressed colour
mode too ("UHD Colour" is the tag), or you will lose definition if it
only runs 4:2:2 or worse.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling

I use an LG 4:2:0 4K sometimes for PC text. It sucks showing the
following pattern.

http://i.rtings.com/images/test-mate...chroma-444.png

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"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote:

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
David wrote:

I am assuming that the screen used for a TV and a monitor is probably
from
the same production run - but I could be wrong.

I was looking at replacing two monitors with a single UHD monitor
(which
would have to be at least 32" to give me the same combined screen
size)
and I cross checked with TVs.

32" UHD monitors seem to come in around £350, see
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LU3...ra-Monitor/dp/
B07BVXGBHT?
but 40" TVs come in much the same, see
https://ao.com/product/ue40nu7120-samsung-nu7000-tv-
charcoal-57593-108.aspx
although I note that this one is A rated.

So is a TV an interesting alternative to a monitor? It has other built
in
services although you can obviously get these through the PC as well.

Or do monitors have higher quality displays for the same price?

One theory is that suppliers sell more UHD TVs than UHD monitors so
there
might be more bargains around. Certainly not a "gaming" premium.

Yes, I'm bored and my credit card is itching.

Cheers

I don't know if you're planning to use a 40" TV, but I don't think
you'll find a smaller one. We had to use a monitor because we don't
want a TV bigger than 32".

Aldi has sold some of the smaller ones here this year.

But were they 4k UHD? And were they in the UK?

Both irrelevant to your claim that the smaller ones are hard to find.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 03:33:19 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Aldi has sold some of the smaller ones here this year.

But were they 4k UHD? And were they in the UK?

Both irrelevant to your claim that the smaller ones are hard to find.

Actually highly relevant, senile Ozzietard!

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In uk.d-i-y David wrote:
The reviews can be interesting but I tend to discount the "wonderful" ones
and look for the thoughtful and informed low star ratings. Not "broken on
delivery" but comments about network connectivity, display lag and the
like.

I'd read some real reviews from people who test them, not random postings by
people who don't have another TV to compare.

https://www.rtings.com/
is good for that, although they cover models on the American market and they
don't all translate.

Should I ignore the LCD screens and just go for LED/OLED? Or doesn't it
make much difference when using as a monitor?

LED *is* LCD. It's just an LED backlight rather than another kind (CCFL
most likely). The display technology is still LCD. They aren't a big
difference - and most of today's 'LCD' screens actually have LED backlights
anyway.

OLED has individual polymer LEDs deposited on the surface. More contrastly,
but way more expensive and some questions about pixel burn in (especially
relevant for a monitor).

Theo