The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Brian

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Gentlemen,

An old pal of mine, about 75yrs old, ex-serviceman, lovely, lovely bloke;
do anything for anyone needs a new hearing aid. I decided he did because
the one he's been wearing for ***years*** is pretty hopeless. It's the
type that look like you have a grey slug perched on top of your ear. Not
a good look. I've been given to understand the latest digital ones leave
this old piece of junk in the dirt by comparison. However, he's been
quoted 3k for one - and I can't see how the hell that can possibly be
justified. I thought they were free after a certain age on the NHS,
anyway.
Can some kind soul give me a steer to assist my mate? He does so much for
children's charities he really does not deserve to be ripped off in such
a callous manner.
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the same thing.
regarding battery usage and quality.



that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

I wonder how they can get away with it then, perhaps like some products the expensive ones are actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it , and this doesn't just work for Apple products in case that is what someone thinks I'm getting at.
I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more. But of course if I knew about wine maybe I wouldn't let anything under £50 pass my lips.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that would and
have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

Don't move to Scotland, then. ;-)

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On Wed, 02 May 2018 16:05:35 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that would and
have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

Don't move to Scotland, then. ;-)


Yeah, but if you do, bring plenty of Buckfast with you - you'll clean up!
:-)




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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

that cost twice as much plus what you can get away
with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

I wonder how they can get away with it then,

Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:

The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't

That is only true if they don't switch them off at night and leave them
on the bedside table screaming loudly at each other. If the microphone
can hear the output to the ear they howl like crazy. The NHS units are
not at all bad these days with reasonable digital designs - their main
weakness is physical size when compared to the private in ear ones.

They are tailored to individual frequency response by octave and gain.

know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Brian

The latest digital NHS kit is certainly worth a try before splashing out
on a private hearing aid. They have improved immeasruably over the past
decade from "barely useful" to really rather good. The improvements when
they moved to full digital processing were truly remarkable.

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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:39:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?
Peole with differtn hearing problems need differnt types of hearing aid some need implants other don't Most peole that wontl; a laptop don;t need to vist a GP or professional to test what sort of laptop they need do they.
well most don't maybe you do.



that cost twice as much plus what you can get away
with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

I wonder how they can get away with it then,

Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

and most of those will damage your eyes and you may think one pair will last you the rest of yuor life and you just need to order same again like you do at the pub.


perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

So how come the standard reading glasses you can buy in chain stores aren't used more ?

I think yuo;'re gettign confused with glasses and frame here.



I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

I know and I've never tried scotch that is more than £35 a bottle in case I like it, same goes with food and even herion when I had the chance the thought of liking it scared me so I though best not to try it.

On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also free.

In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like
you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another
thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much
plus what you can get away with, using the small market excuse for the
profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

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On 03/05/2018 15:39, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Â* Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also free.

They only last for about three days if someone puts them too close
together and doesn't switch them off at night. If they spend all night
howling like deranged banshees it quickly drains the battery.

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charles Wrote in message:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like
you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another
thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much
plus what you can get away with, using the small market excuse for the
profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

Maybe no one talks to you? ;-)
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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:39:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i
don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?

I commented on your claim about phones and laptops.

that cost twice as much plus what you can get away
with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

I wonder how they can get away with it then,

Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

and most of those will damage your eyes

Even sillier than you usually manage
when you use the eye test prescription.

perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

So how come the standard reading glasses
you can buy in chain stores aren't used more ?

Because they dont do the job as well as glasses which
are made to the prescription produced in the eye test.

I think yuo;'re gettign confused with glasses and frame here.

Nope.

I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

I know and I've never tried scotch that
is more than £35 a bottle in case I like it,

Yeah, can be a problem. Mate of mine found a locally produced
botrytis dessert wine. Fantastic to drink but stupid price.
http://store.lillypillywines.com.au/2012-noble-harvest/

Dont buy it anymore.

same goes with food

Dont do that myself, particularly with steak but
I dont by the stupidly priced stuff, essentially
because I can't taste the difference.

I can with the best single malt scotch.

and even herion when I had the chance the thought
of liking it scared me so I though best not to try it.

I noticed that hardly anyone can treat it like I do the
best single malt scotch and there is always one hell
of a risk of what its cut with with heroin so didnt
ever try it for that reason alone. I'm fortunate
that my drug of choice is legal, but expensive.

Mate of mine who doesnt drink much has just gone
back to china for a month and will be getting me
some decent single malt scotch duty free on the way
back. Might not work too well in the future tho coz he
plans to get one for himself and might get the habit.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:39:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i
don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?

I commented on your claim about phones and laptops.

that cost twice as much plus what you can get away
with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

I wonder how they can get away with it then,

Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

and most of those will damage your eyes

Even sillier than you usually manage
when you use the eye test prescription.

perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

So how come the standard reading glasses
you can buy in chain stores aren't used more ?

Because they dont do the job as well as glasses which
are made to the prescription produced in the eye test.

I think yuo;'re gettign confused with glasses and frame here.

Nope.

I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

I know and I've never tried scotch that
is more than £35 a bottle in case I like it,

Yeah, can be a problem. Mate of mine found a locally produced
botrytis dessert wine. Fantastic to drink but stupid price.
http://store.lillypillywines.com.au/2012-noble-harvest/

Its actually this one
http://store.lillypillywines.com.au/...e-noble-blend/

Dont buy it anymore.

same goes with food

Dont do that myself, particularly with steak but
I dont by the stupidly priced stuff, essentially
because I can't taste the difference.

I can with the best single malt scotch.

and even herion when I had the chance the thought
of liking it scared me so I though best not to try it.

I noticed that hardly anyone can treat it like I do the
best single malt scotch and there is always one hell
of a risk of what its cut with with heroin so didnt
ever try it for that reason alone. I'm fortunate
that my drug of choice is legal, but expensive.

Mate of mine who doesnt drink much has just gone
back to china for a month and will be getting me
some decent single malt scotch duty free on the way
back. Might not work too well in the future tho coz he
plans to get one for himself and might get the habit.

On 03/05/2018 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like
you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another
thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much
plus what you can get away with, using the small market excuse for the
profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.



I know several people with hearing aids. Some are happy with the NHS
ones, others pay for private ones. Being interested form a technical
side, I've asked some of them about their experiences. The NHS ones seem
ok for some hearing problems. Until the patient has a proper test and
perhaps tries a hearing aid, second guessing that a private one will be
needed (or one will even help) is premature.

On 03/05/18 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like
you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another
thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much
plus what you can get away with, using the small market excuse for the
profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

Do you have to pay for those?
What type of batteries do your hearing aids use?
I'm guessing that your "my aids do more" is simply that your batteries
are not of similar capacity.

In article , Richard
wrote:
On 03/05/18 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of.
Like you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its
another thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost
twice as much plus what you can get away with, using the small market
excuse for the profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to
the user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are
also free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

Do you have to pay for those? What type of batteries do your hearing aids
use? I'm guessing that your "my aids do more" is simply that your
batteries are not of similar capacity.

I'm sure of that too. Saying how long batteries last obviously depends on
the capacity of the battery as well as the load. There will be a tendency
for smaller aids to have smaller batteries.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Thursday, 3 May 2018 21:29:33 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:39:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i
don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes time..

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?

I commented on your claim about phones and laptops.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?




Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

and most of those will damage your eyes

Even sillier than you usually manage
when you use the eye test prescription.

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the assistant in order to make your specs.

This could be simialar to how it works at the doctors or even dentists.
If a doctor gives you a prescription m ost people will take it to their local chemist or pharmasist, most won't go on amazon or the dark web and order the medication.

But maybe you use a yard sale or whatever.


perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

So how come the standard reading glasses
you can buy in chain stores aren't used more ?

Because they dont do the job as well as glasses which
are made to the prescription produced in the eye test.

and which do you think is easists to mass produce and therefor cheaper ?


I think yuo;'re gettign confused with glasses and frame here.

Nope.

Yep.
A friend had the choice of almost any frame he wanted they started at about £20 and up to over £1000, the same glass went into them, because that;s what your eye needs the actual lens to work rather than the frame to have nike or Ray-Ban or tes co.


I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

I know and I've never tried scotch that
is more than £35 a bottle in case I like it,

Yeah, can be a problem. Mate of mine found a locally produced
botrytis dessert wine. Fantastic to drink but stupid price.
http://store.lillypillywines.com.au/2012-noble-harvest/

cheap ****,

I wouldn't even get my glass out for less than a bottle of Château Latour 2009 ;-)




Dont do that myself, particularly with steak but
I dont by the stupidly priced stuff, essentially
because I can't taste the difference.

I can with the best single malt scotch.

For myself I'm not so sure I could tell other than what I prefer.


I noticed that hardly anyone can treat it like I do the
best single malt scotch and there is always one hell
of a risk of what its cut with with heroin so didnt
ever try it for that reason alone. I'm fortunate
that my drug of choice is legal, but expensive.

but fake scotch could do you harm just like herion cut with something.

In both cases you just have to be sure of your supplier that's all.
other than that there's little difernce in the risks you might take.


Mate of mine who doesnt drink much has just gone
back to china for a month and will be getting me
some decent single malt scotch duty free

as long as it the real stuff rathe rthan the chinese version , but it might taste OK.

on the way
back. Might not work too well in the future tho coz he
plans to get one for himself and might get the habit.

Yes it's like offering anyhting that is a favourite when it comes to sharing sometimes a bit of selfishness is OK

On Fri, 04 May 2018 05:04:36 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the assistant
in order to make your specs.

They are obliged to give you the prescription if requested. However, I
believe that doesn't include the pupillary distance (PD). Doesn't bother
me so much as I only have one!



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On 03/05/2018 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like
you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another
thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much
plus what you can get away with, using the small market excuse for the
profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

Doesn't follow at all. Mostly you are paying for miniaturisation now. It
is quite likely that your batteries have a lower capacity to be smaller.

Try switching them off overnight you will get better battery life.

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Martin Brown

In article , Martin Brown
wrote:
On 03/05/2018 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home
wrote:
On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored ones than the price is almost anything you can think of.
Like you i don't know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its
another thing like glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost
twice as much plus what you can get away with, using the small market
excuse for the profit made.

Brian


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to
the user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are
also free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.

Doesn't follow at all. Mostly you are paying for miniaturisation now. It
is quite likely that your batteries have a lower capacity to be smaller.

Try switching them off overnight you will get better battery life.

I do that anyway.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 04/05/2018 14:28, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2018 05:04:36 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the assistant
in order to make your specs.

They are obliged to give you the prescription if requested. However, I
believe that doesn't include the papillary distance (PD). Doesn't bother
me so much as I only have one!

Presuming you are talking eyes and not monorchism, or the distance
between your nipples.

Isn't pupillary distance the distance from the nose midpoint to pupil.
If your nose is off centre, pupillary distance is a pair of numbers.

So even if you only have one pupil you still need to know this distance
if you wear glasses that sit on your nose.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 3 May 2018 21:29:33 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 21:39:31 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 2 May 2018 15:05:12 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries
very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally
tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i
don't
know why, as the tech is not new.

It doesn't have to be new just refined and perfected this takes
time.

and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc,

or phones or laptops they all pretty much do the
same thing.regarding battery usage and quality.

Thats bull**** with time between charging and protection
against malicious apps snooping on your data. And you can't
even have your iphone record all phone calls automatically so
you can check what was said if you need to. Or answer incoming
calls automatically either which is handy when driving.

what's that got to do with hearing aids ?

I commented on your claim about phones and laptops.

Plenty dont realise that they can get glasses MUCH
cheaper from china than from the local optician.

and most of those will damage your eyes

Even sillier than you usually manage
when you use the eye test prescription.

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have
to insist or ask for it but most don't hand you a prescription
that goes to the assistant in order to make your specs.

I just tell them that I want to keep a record
of how the prescription changes and they
legally can't refuse to give it to me here.

perhaps like some products the expensive ones are
actually better it;s just not everyone appriaciates it ,

Not true with glasses.

So how come the standard reading glasses
you can buy in chain stores aren't used more ?

Because they dont do the job as well as glasses which
are made to the prescription produced in the eye test.

and which do you think is easists to
mass produce and therefor cheaper ?

Its done in a low labor cost country, ****wit.

I think yuo;'re gettign confused with glasses and frame here.

Nope.

Yep.

Nope.

I'd never spend £50 on a bottle of wine but I know those that
would and have, me £5.99 at most, for me wine is NOT worth more.

I feel the same way about wine, but not about scotch. The
best single malt scotch leaves the cheapest crap for dead.

I know and I've never tried scotch that
is more than £35 a bottle in case I like it,

Yeah, can be a problem. Mate of mine found a locally produced
botrytis dessert wine. Fantastic to drink but stupid price.
http://store.lillypillywines.com.au/2012-noble-harvest/

Dont do that myself, particularly with steak but
I dont by the stupidly priced stuff, essentially
because I can't taste the difference.

I can with the best single malt scotch.

For myself I'm not so sure I could tell other than what I prefer.

Yep, you are that terminal a ****wit.

I noticed that hardly anyone can treat it like I do the
best single malt scotch and there is always one hell
of a risk of what its cut with with heroin so didnt
ever try it for that reason alone. I'm fortunate
that my drug of choice is legal, but expensive.

but fake scotch could do you harm
just like herion cut with something.

I dont buy fake scotch.

In both cases you just have to be sure of your supplier that's all.

Not even possible with the heroin supplier.

other than that there's little difernce in the risks you might take.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
what a terminal ****wit you have always been.

Mate of mine who doesnt drink much has just gone
back to china for a month and will be getting me
some decent single malt scotch duty free on the way
back. Might not work too well in the future tho coz he
plans to get one for himself and might get the habit.

On Fri, 04 May 2018 16:00:19 +0100, Sam Clark wrote:

On 04/05/2018 14:28, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2018 05:04:36 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

They are obliged to give you the prescription if requested. However, I
believe that doesn't include the papillary distance (PD). Doesn't
bother me so much as I only have one!

Presuming you are talking eyes and not monorchism, or the distance
between your nipples.

Oops!

Isn't pupillary distance the distance from the nose midpoint to pupil.
If your nose is off centre, pupillary distance is a pair of numbers.

So even if you only have one pupil you still need to know this distance
if you wear glasses that sit on your nose.

They generally only quote it as a single number, and it's pupil to pupil
- certainly on all the eye tests I've had.



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On 04/05/2018 13:04, whisky-dave wrote:

8

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

If you have an NHS eye test they will give you your prescription, they
have to.
If you have a "free" eye test at some opticians then it isn't NHS and
they don't have to give you the prescription.

On 03/05/2018 16:29, charles wrote:
In article , dennis@home

8


Your friends are wrong, the NHS ones are digital and are tailored to the
user and the batteries last for a week or two. The batteries are also
free.

Obviuisly the do far less audio processing than my private ones. Their
batteries last 5 days.


Y&ou are just deaf and have the volume set high. ;-)

On 04/05/18 19:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 04/05/2018 13:04, whisky-dave wrote:

8

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

If you have an NHS eye test they will give you your prescription, they
have to.
If you have a "free" eye test at some opticians then it isn't NHS and
they don't have to give you the prescription.


Talking out your arse there, again.

On 05/05/2018 11:46, Richard wrote:
On 04/05/18 19:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 04/05/2018 13:04, whisky-dave wrote:

8

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

If you have an NHS eye test they will give you your prescription, they
have to.
If you have a "free" eye test at some opticians then it isn't NHS and
they don't have to give you the prescription.


Talking out your arse there, again.

You know fcuk all TNP.

On 05/05/18 17:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 11:46, Richard wrote:
On 04/05/18 19:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 04/05/2018 13:04, whisky-dave wrote:

8

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

If you have an NHS eye test they will give you your prescription,
they have to.
If you have a "free" eye test at some opticians then it isn't NHS and
they don't have to give you the prescription.


Talking out your arse there, again.

You know fcuk all TNP.

Are you trying to say that I'm TNP, or are you just losing the plot?
Anyway, back to why you're talking out your arse...
https://www.opticalcomplaints.co.uk/resources/faqs

On 05/05/18 17:59, Richard wrote:
On 05/05/18 17:23, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 11:46, Richard wrote:
On 04/05/18 19:09, dennis@home wrote:
On 04/05/2018 13:04, whisky-dave wrote:

8

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the
assistant in order to make your specs.

If you have an NHS eye test they will give you your prescription,
they have to.
If you have a "free" eye test at some opticians then it isn't NHS
and they don't have to give you the prescription.


Talking out your arse there, again.

You know fcuk all TNP.

Are you trying to say that I'm TNP, or are you just losing the plot?

Both I suspect.

Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Anyway, back to why you're talking out your arse...
https://www.opticalcomplaints.co.uk/resources/faqs


Precisement



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Bob Eager wrote
whisky-dave wrote

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to
insist or ask for it but most don't hand you a prescription
that goes to the assistant in order to make your specs.

They are obliged to give you the prescription if requested.
However, I believe that doesn't include the pupillary distance
(PD). Doesn't bother me so much as I only have one!

Its trivial to measure and only has to be done once.

"Sam Clark" wrote in message
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On 04/05/2018 14:28, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2018 05:04:36 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

They don't give you the prescription, maybe you have to insist or ask
for it but most don't hand you a prescription that goes to the assistant
in order to make your specs.

They are obliged to give you the prescription if requested. However, I
believe that doesn't include the papillary distance (PD). Doesn't bother
me so much as I only have one!

Presuming you are talking eyes and not monorchism, or the distance between
your nipples.

Isn't pupillary distance the distance from the nose midpoint to pupil.

Nope, the distance between your pupils.

If your nose is off centre, pupillary distance is a pair of numbers.

There isnt even any way to enter a pair of numbers with the chinese
glasses suppliers.

So even if you only have one pupil you still need to know this distance if
you wear glasses that sit on your nose.

Sure.

Sorry, Brian, but that is a load of bollix! The NHS hearing aids are
very good quality. They are "proper digitally tailored ones" too. They
don't do any other sort. And they are free, so far as I know in all
health areas, for those who really need them. Different authorities have
different arrangements but the principles should be the same. In some
areas, Specsavers can dispense NHS hearing aids - you can usually check
on the Specsavers website. Not all NHS areas supply in-the-ear models.

I've had NHS hearing aids. They were good but I didn't like them over my
ears because I wear spectacles and the combination of the two gadgets
felt "clunky". So I went to Specsavers and paid £1100 for in-the-ear
ones. For that, I got the hear aids, repairs for a year and hearing
tests and batteries for four years. The audiologists I saw at Specsavers
advised me not to spend more that that - pay more and just get gimmiky
add-ons like remote control and linking with iphones etc.

I've had excellent service from Specsavers - but I had very very good
service - and hearing aids - from the NHS - and completely free.

And as some others have said, first port of call if anyone has hearing
problems is G.P.

Oliver


On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Brian



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On 05/05/18 21:19, Oliver wrote:
Sorry, Brian, but that is a load of bollix!Â* The NHS hearing aids are
very good quality. They are "proper digitally tailored ones" too. They
don't do any other sort.Â* And they are free, so far as I know in all
health areas, for those who really need them. Different authorities have
different arrangements but the principles should be the same. In some
areas, Specsavers can dispense NHS hearing aids - you can usually check
on the Specsavers website. Not all NHS areas supply in-the-ear models.

I've had NHS hearing aids. They were good but I didn't like them over my
ears because I wear spectacles and the combination of the two gadgets
felt "clunky". So I went to Specsavers and paid £1100 for in-the-ear
ones. For that, I got the hear aids, repairs for a year and hearing
tests and batteries for four years. The audiologists I saw at Specsavers
advised me not to spend more that that - pay more and just get gimmiky
add-ons like remote control and linking with iphones etc.

I've had excellent service from Specsavers - but I had very very good
service - and hearing aids - from the NHS - and completely free.

And as some others have said, first port of call if anyone has hearing
problems is G.P.

Oliver


Really is annoying, the NHS bashing.
I was due to get my ear with perforated drum checked on Monday, done on
a six monthly basis as it is considered to be an at risk condition.
Owing to sickness, they were unable to keep my original appointment and
arranged another which was today. All set for another six months.
A while ago I had the misfortune to drop my hearing aid in liquid, which
killed it. They replaced it FOC with a more recent version.



On 02/05/2018 15:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
The NHS ones are pretty basic and you need to change the batteries very
often according to friends of mine. If you want proper digitally tailored
ones than the price is almost anything you can think of. Like you i don't
know why, as the tech is not new and in my view its another thing like
glasses frames disability aids etc, that cost twice as much plus what you
can get away with, using the small market excuse for the profit made.

Â* Brian

On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.

On 05/05/18 23:15, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.



TBH, everyone here is thought to be a prat by someone at some time. With
the exception of John Rumm who is simply annoying by being so, John Rumm.

On 06/05/2018 07:09, Richard wrote:
On 05/05/18 23:15, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.



TBH, everyone here is thought to be a prat by someone at some time. With
the exception of John Rumm who is simply annoying by being so, John Rumm.

Some people are intelligent enough to know TNP is often wrong and that
you always are.
The rest are brex****ters which shows something about their intelligence.
You, harry, TNP and JWS share a lot of commonality, something to be avoided.

On 06/05/18 10:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2018 07:09, Richard wrote:
On 05/05/18 23:15, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.



TBH, everyone here is thought to be a prat by someone at some time.
With the exception of John Rumm who is simply annoying by being so,
John Rumm.

Some people are intelligent enough to know TNP is often wrong and that
you always are.
The rest are brex****ters which shows something about their intelligence.
You, harry, TNP and JWS share a lot of commonality, something to be
avoided.

ROFLMAO.

On 06/05/18 10:47, Richard wrote:
On 06/05/18 10:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2018 07:09, Richard wrote:
On 05/05/18 23:15, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.



TBH, everyone here is thought to be a prat by someone at some time.
With the exception of John Rumm who is simply annoying by being so,
John Rumm.

Some people are intelligent enough to know TNP is often wrong and that
you always are.
The rest are brex****ters which shows something about their intelligence.
You, harry, TNP and JWS share a lot of commonality, something to be
avoided.

ROFLMAO.
Indeed. JWS is in my killfile, because he is a ******** talking troll
and had never contributed anythiung of interest or use.

Dennis is in my kill file because whatever he proinounces on he is
ALWAYS wrong, and agresssively defends that. Life is too short

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On 06/05/2018 11:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/05/18 10:47, Richard wrote:
On 06/05/18 10:04, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/05/2018 07:09, Richard wrote:
On 05/05/18 23:15, dennis@home wrote:
On 05/05/2018 20:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


Dennis never forgave me for showing him to be a total prat.

Still a liar I see.

Do you think many here don't think you are a prat.



TBH, everyone here is thought to be a prat by someone at some time.
With the exception of John Rumm who is simply annoying by being so,
John Rumm.

Some people are intelligent enough to know TNP is often wrong and
that you always are.
The rest are brex****ters which shows something about their
intelligence.
You, harry, TNP and JWS share a lot of commonality, something to be
avoided.

ROFLMAO.
Indeed. JWS is in my killfile, because he is a ******** talking troll
and had never contributed anythiungÂ* of interest or use.

Dennis is in my kill file because whatever he proinounces on he is
ALWAYS wrong, and agresssively defends that. Life is too short


I'm in TNPs kill file because I keep pointing out where he is wrong and
he doesn't like that. He kill files anyone that disagrees with him.
He probably thinks that none can read the posts because he has me
killfiled he is that stupid these days.

I don't know what happened to him but he certainly has a mental health
issue now.

On Sun, 06 May 2018 11:36:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Dennis is in my kill file because whatever he proinounces on he is
ALWAYS wrong, and agresssively defends that. Life is too short

That's why we call him Dennis the Dunce.



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