On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are provided
every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card swipable
charge points

Thers a couple in ne of my local supermarkets. Ive even seen some one
use them once!



The early ones were
clockwork - now that's an idea - clockwork cars

idiot

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On 09-Feb-18 7:32 AM, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:41:12 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 08-Feb-18 6:13 PM, harry wrote:
...
People with no off-street parking shouldn't be allowed to have cars.
They are a menace.

I have a garage with an electricity supply, but it is far too useful for
other purposes to use it just to store my car.


Ah yes. The idiot syndrome.
Leaves twenty grand car out in all weathers and fills the garage with junk.

Cars are designed to be outside in all weathers and I don't use the
garage for storing junk. However, I will grant that my car probably is
worth only 20 grand by now; It is seven years old.

I have two cars, two garages and......a shed for the junk.

I have three sheds and a garage.

Car insurance is cheaper too.

Not enough to be important.

And they all have electricity.

Not necessarily. I had to have a cable run to my garage, which is at the
bottom of the garden, with access to a different road from the one my
house fronts. My partner lives in a flat and her garage is one of a row
with no power.



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Colin Bignell

On 08/02/2018 19:49, dennis@home wrote:
On 08/02/2018 12:12, T i m wrote:
On 8 Feb 2018 02:14:41 GMT, Marland
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:56:47 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
harry wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8066896.html


Something else the UK is at the forefront of and can exploit fully
once
out of the EU and free to trade with the world, eh, harry?

We probably were there at the turn of the century but like now, they
were expensive and not practical .

Although your reason is accurate for both €œturn of the century€� is a bit
ambiguous now.
Could mean 19th to 20th or 20th to 21st.
Electric vehicles were around for both €œturns €œ.

Well, one might guess that I was talking about the period where
electric vehicles *first* appeared and were used in reasonable
numbers. ;-)

Cheers, T i m



So the 1800s then.
Electric cars then had about the same range as the leaf at about 75 miles.

I think 20miles at a maximum of 15mph was nearer the mark

The only really practical electric car appear to be the renault zoe
which can easily do 130+ miles on a charge and can use fast DC chargers.

The ZE40 has a range of 140 - 185 miles under normal driving dependant
on temperature.
The current Zoe models can only charge from AC, either 22kW or 43kW
depending on model.

The leaf does less than 100 miles on a charge.

For the old model yes. The latest model with 40kWh battery will do 140 -
150 miles.


The big drawback is you can't charge a zoe for 16 hours from a 13A
socket without paying for a ~£550 option, you just have to make do with
the 6 hours charge from the free 32A outlet they install for you.
The leaf comes with a 13A charge cable but no 32A charger outlet.

If you buy a new Zoe you get a 7kW charger and installation for 'free' -
part of the EV government grant.

Andy

On 08-Feb-18 7:41 PM, dennis@home wrote:
On 08/02/2018 08:54, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:03:26 UTC, Dave Plowman (News)Â* wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* harry wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8066896.html


Something else the UK is at the forefront of and can exploit fully once
out of the EU and free to trade with the world, eh, harry?


The best selling electric car is the Nissan Leaf made in UK


Not according to actual facts.
China has ~50% of world production of electric cars and they aren't leafs.
Not that brexiteers care about facts.


The Leaf wins out in total sales, simply by having been around longer
than most of its competitors. However, its annual sales rate is around
50,000 units per year and, while Nissan hope to double that with the
latest model, the Chinese BAIC EC-Series is already selling around
10,000 per *month*.

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Colin Bignell

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are provided
every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card swipable
charge points

Not rocket science, but have you considered the size of cable needed and
the infrastructure behind them?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:04:13 AM UTC, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are provided
every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card swipable
charge points

Not rocket science, but have you considered the size of cable needed and
the infrastructure behind them?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Probably a daft question, but how much do these batteries weigh? Would it be practical to hump them in and out of the house? Broken down into modules maybe?

In article , stuart
noble wrote:
On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 10:04:13 AM UTC, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are
provided every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done
already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card
swipable charge points

Not rocket science, but have you considered the size of cable needed
and the infrastructure behind them?

-- from KT24 in Surrey, England

Probably a daft question, but how much do these batteries weigh? Would it
be practical to hump them in and out of the house? Broken down into
modules maybe?

I ssupect you'd need a fork lift truck. ..and probably break the lift in
the block of flats.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
harry wrote:
So there should be no on street parking wherever you want to go.
I think we all agree you should do as you say harry.
No more parking on the street for you.

Why should I need to park on the street?

Ah - right. Your car stays in the garage, then. Never used. Makes sense.

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In article ,
harry wrote:
I don't know anyone that has to park their car on the street.

You need to get out more.

Council house chavs do it I suppose.

Actually, given when many council houses were built, they are more likely
to have off road parking than the average Victorian area. Built before
cars.

Very sad you have to live in a modern hovel rather than a spacious
Victorian house, though, harry. But I'm sure your car loves it.

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In article ,
harry wrote:
On Friday, 9 February 2018 01:11:13 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:
People with no off-street parking shouldn't be allowed to have cars.
They are a menace.

The brave new world of harry.

I'd say harry shouldn't be allowed to drive anywhere that doesn't have
an off road car park.

Do you live in a "sinkhole" council estate Dave?

'Interesting' answer to a reasonable point. Just as expected from you.


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On 09/02/2018 09:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are provided
every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card swipable
charge points

Thers a couple in ne of my local supermarkets. Ive even seen some one
use them once!




Charging points have been fitted to 3 street lamps near me. I have seen
them in use. There were a 2+ metres of cable from the car to the
socket. While it was bright yellow, it was also spilling onto the
footway - much as in the photo here

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/london-street-lamps-electric-car-charging-points-ubitricity-tech-firm-hounslow-council-richmond-a7809126.html

Ratio of street lamps to cars for the road is around 1 to 10. So will
there be very many more lamps? Or much longer cables?

And are there any personal injury lawyers in the house?

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:
On 08-Feb-18 6:13 PM, harry wrote: ...
People with no off-street parking shouldn't be allowed to have cars.
They are a menace.

I have a garage with an electricity supply, but it is far too useful
for other purposes to use it just to store my car.

I don't know anyone who uses their garage for their car. ;-)

my wife's car gets into just over half of our garage. Being built in the
early 1970s, the double garage isn't wide enough for two modern cars. We
managed a Cortina & a (real) Mini at one time.

Yup. Very few single garages are of a convenient size for any modern car.
Hence them not being used for one.

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On 09/02/18 10:53, Robin wrote:
On 09/02/2018 09:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/02/18 08:11, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 08/02/18 17:27, alan_m wrote:
No way of charging a vehicle unless thousands of people run their
extension cords across the pavements or charging points are provided
every car two lengths.

The latter. They did it with parking meters already

Parking meters can't provide 30+A of charging current.

Are you beind deliberatley obtue, or are you really that stupid?

My point was that street furnuture every 2 meters had been done already

Streetlamps also are wired to te mains. As are pay and display units.
Many of them are also on the internet

It's not rocket science tro cable up a street for credit card swipable
charge points

Thers a couple in ne of my local supermarkets. Ive even seen some one
use them once!




Charging points have been fitted to 3 street lamps near me.Â* I have seen
them in use.Â* There were a 2+ metres of cable from the car to the
socket.Â* While it was bright yellow, it was also spilling onto the
footway - much as in the photo here

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/london-street-lamps-electric-car-charging-points-ubitricity-tech-firm-hounslow-council-richmond-a7809126.html


Ratio of street lamps to cars for the road is around 1 to 10.Â* So will
there be very many more lamps? Or much longer cables?

And are there any personal injury lawyers in the house?

On the end this is all armchair ******** If te demand is there people
will pay and it will be built - just as fibre broadband has been

I personally think BEVs are poised on the cusp - held there by massive
subsidy.

I am too young, but in my grandfathers day petrol stations were few and
far between, and you carried cans strapped to the running boards



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time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
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important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:41:46 -0800, harry wrote:

I use the Roller for longer journeys.

One assumes harry forgot to add 'skate' in the above.

As an aside, I have *never* heard anyone who actually owns a Rolls Royce
describe it as a 'Roller'.

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 23:41:46 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

On Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:20:51 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 19:51:57 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 08/02/2018 18:13, harry wrote:
snip

People with no off-street parking shouldn't be allowed to have cars.
They are a menace.


So there should be no on street parking wherever you want to go.

Nice catch. Stupid fanatical Brexiteer harry. ;-)

I think we all agree you should do as you say harry.

Maybe he never stops anywhere because nobody likes him? ;-(

No more parking on the street for you.

His valet parks his cars for him and the driver just goes off and
waits till he's called again (obviously not very far when in the EV).
;-)

Cheers, T i m


I have two cars thanks.

I know, thanks.

The electric one is perfect for shopping/local journeys.

For the housekeeper I'm guessing?

I use the Roller for longer journeys.

Plenty of room in the back eh.

I rarely park the electric car on the street.

Because you rarely drive the EV, the housekeeper does.

I never park the Roller on the street.

The driver drives it home every time when you are in the theater in
the West End?

I never leave either outdoors overnight.

Because people have vandalised them before because you have got up
their nose?

I have room on my driveway for about ten cars if I have visitors.

Yes, because you live in a 'safe house' in the country.

Plus more on the patio if necessary.

And you might find the RR in the pool one day ... once the fanatical
Remainers find out you are a financial Brexiteer and they are very
hungry ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 00:03:25 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

snip

Luckily, where we live the road is very wide and you can have vehicles
parked both sides and still (easily) get two articulated lorries
passing each other. ;-)


I thought council house car owners put a plank in the gutter so they could park on their front lawn?

Many don't bother with the plank.

Cheers, T i m

On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 23:34:42 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

snip

So there should be no on street parking wherever you want to go.
I think we all agree you should do as you say harry.
No more parking on the street for you.

Why should I need to park on the street?

You wouldn't but others do, even if only when visiting their poor
friends. We know you don't actually have any friends (especially poor
ones) so not an issue for you.

We may all have more of those soon, if we actually leave the EU and
the predictions come true ...

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Robin wrote:
Charging points have been fitted to 3 street lamps near me. I have seen
them in use.

Round here they've been installed on the edge of the pavement. But never
outside the front of someone's house. Always at the end of a side street
where the garden of the corner house on the other road runs.

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On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 05:33:49 -0600, Mark Allread
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:41:46 -0800, harry wrote:

I use the Roller for longer journeys.

One assumes harry forgot to add 'skate' in the above.

As an aside, I have *never* heard anyone who actually owns a Rolls Royce
describe it as a 'Roller'.

I drove my mates new Ghost about when he was abroad and I found it
very impractical.

And because they tend to be owned by 'certain people', they are also
often a target for attack.

Even if you park it at the back of the carpark, the chances are you
will find a dent in it when you return.

Which is why harry never goes anywhere where he needs to stop in his.
Maybe he just drives round to where their are no solar panel
installations, waving his 'wad' at the locals (he thinks they will
enjoy looking at their own money). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Mark Allread wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:41:46 -0800, harry wrote:

I use the Roller for longer journeys.

One assumes harry forgot to add 'skate' in the above.

As an aside, I have *never* heard anyone who actually owns a Rolls Royce
describe it as a 'Roller'.

Quite. A Royce, since he was the engineer.

But Rolls is the common name with scrap dealers, etc.

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On 09/02/2018 11:59, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Robin wrote:
Charging points have been fitted to 3 street lamps near me. I have seen
them in use.

Round here they've been installed on the edge of the pavement. But never
outside the front of someone's house. Always at the end of a side street
where the garden of the corner house on the other road runs.


That may be a difference between a council (Wandsworth) that worries
about people who don't want a charging point outside their house if they
don't have an electric car and a council (Hackney) that doesn't.

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On 08/02/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:



When I contested that point they said that if it was less than their
minimum and I park a vehicle longer than that on there and it
overhangs the pavement it would be considered 'their fault'.

I regularly drive down a road where someone parks a Ford Galaxy on his
front, it completely blocks the pavement (well maybe a foot less).
Its made worse because he has a bay window where he puts it but he has
space next to the bay too.

If I was still walking down there he might well have some scratches
across the boot from my bag as I squeeze past.

On 09/02/2018 07:32, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 18:41:12 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 08-Feb-18 6:13 PM, harry wrote:
...
People with no off-street parking shouldn't be allowed to have cars.
They are a menace.

I have a garage with an electricity supply, but it is far too useful for
other purposes to use it just to store my car.


Ah yes. The idiot syndrome.
Leaves twenty grand car out in all weathers and fills the garage with junk.
I have two cars, two garages and......a shed for the junk.
Car insurance is cheaper too.
And they all have electricity.


Maybe they know just how bad it is to keep a car in a garage?

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Maybe they know just how bad it is to keep a car in a garage?

Just read a bit on my car club forum about a one owner car which had been
stored in an integral garage for the past 30 odd years, after the owner
had to stop driving. Very low mileage - but absolutely rotten.

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On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 14:00:31 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 08/02/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:



When I contested that point they said that if it was less than their
minimum and I park a vehicle longer than that on there and it
overhangs the pavement it would be considered 'their fault'.

I regularly drive down a road where someone parks a Ford Galaxy on his
front, it completely blocks the pavement (well maybe a foot less).
Its made worse because he has a bay window where he puts it but he has
space next to the bay too.

Typical (of someone willing to obstruct the footpath etc).

If I was still walking down there he might well have some scratches
across the boot from my bag as I squeeze past.

Quite.

My point to 'highways' (or whoever it was) is that it seemed silly to
set an arbitrary 'minimum length' as often cars were shorter than
their minimum and it would be an offence to obstruct the pavement with
something longer in any case?

Cheers, T i m

On 09/02/2018 11:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I personally think BEVs are poised on the cusp - held there by massive
subsidy.

I am too young, but in my grandfathers day petrol stations were few and
far between, and you carried cans strapped to the running boards

Perhaps the petrol was bought from the chemist's, where it was sold as a
remedy for head lice.

--
Max Demian

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
On 09/02/2018 11:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I personally think BEVs are poised on the cusp - held there by massive
subsidy.

I am too young, but in my grandfathers day petrol stations were few and
far between, and you carried cans strapped to the running boards

Perhaps the petrol was bought from the chemist's, where it was sold as a
remedy for head lice.

rub 1t in and set fire to it?

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England