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I may be being paranoid, but............
In looking to find an affordable auto 4x4 that will tow 3.5 tons and has low range with no difflock, I seem to keep coming across suspicious adverts (ebay, gumtree, etc.) often for Range Rover Sports that invite questions to an email address at tbtmail.uk or bmbmail.uk. Prices are always suspiciously low and usually there is no feedback history. The cars seem to be listed for a long period, so maybe never actually sell. I just ignore them usually, but today I was intrigued and tried to find something about tbtmail.uk or bmbmail, but there seems no information anywhere. Today's flurry of adverts seem to be "from" "garrythegrout" of Bromsgrove, who has 4 low-priced Land Rover products for sale in Liverpool. It looks as though this may be a stolen identity. This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. -- Bill |
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On 21/07/2017 12:20, Bill wrote:
I may be being paranoid, but............ In looking to find an affordable auto 4x4 that will tow 3.5 tons and has low range with no difflock, I seem to keep coming across suspicious adverts (ebay, gumtree, etc.) often for Range Rover Sports that invite questions to an email address at tbtmail.uk or bmbmail.uk. Prices are always suspiciously low and usually there is no feedback history. The cars seem to be listed for a long period, so maybe never actually sell. I just ignore them usually, but today I was intrigued and tried to find something about tbtmail.uk or bmbmail, but there seems no information anywhere. Ask the registrant? http://wa-com.com/tbtmail.com -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 21/07/17 12:20, Bill wrote:
I may be being paranoid, but............ In looking to find an affordable auto 4x4 that will tow 3.5 tons and has low range with no difflock, I seem to keep coming across suspicious adverts (ebay, gumtree, etc.) often for Range Rover Sports that invite questions to an email address at tbtmail.uk or bmbmail.uk. Prices are always suspiciously low and usually there is no feedback history. The cars seem to be listed for a long period, so maybe never actually sell. You are right to be suspicious. $whois bmbmail.uk Domain name: bmbmail.uk Registrant: Peter Clarke Registrant type: Unknown Registrant's address: Petsan Barn Lane Burry St Edmonds suffolk IP33 1YH United Kingdom Data validation: Nominet was able to match the registrant's name and address against a 3rd party data source on 16-Jul-2017 Registrar: Crazy Domains FZ-LLC [Tag = CRAZYDOMAINS-AE] URL: http://www.crazydomains.com Relevant dates: Registered on: 13-Jun-2017 Expiry date: 13-Jun-2018 Last updated: 16-Jul-2017 Registration status: Registered until expiry date. Name servers: ns1.crazydomains.com ns2.crazydomains.com WHOIS lookup made at 12:55:34 21-Jul-2017 Can't even spell Bury St Edmunds The same guy is behind tbtmail.uk Mail records point to google gmail, so its an individual in all likelihood posing as summat else. Here is his house I just ignore them usually, but today I was intrigued and tried to find something about tbtmail.uk or bmbmail, but there seems no information anywhere. Rubbish Today's flurry of adverts seem to be "from" "garrythegrout" of Bromsgrove, who has 4 low-priced Land Rover products for sale in Liverpool. It looks as though this may be a stolen identity. This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. Probably just to get your email address, or perhaps a 'deposit' -- Canada is all right really, though not for the whole weekend. "Saki" |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... damn, I thought you were starting a thread on internet sales of new cars Cos I don't understand that trend why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price, just to avoid a trip to the dealer for a discount? tim |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-07-21, Bill wrote: To get you to send money for a non-existent car. more fool the people who buy cars without seeing them even if we ignore the risk of being scammed, why do people do this anyway? (same goes for flat/room rental) |
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On 21/07/17 13:14, tim... wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message ... damn, I thought you were starting a thread on internet sales of new cars Cos I don't understand that trend why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price, just to avoid a trip to the dealer for a discount? tim Because they are as dim as you? -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 21/07/17 13:14, tim... wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... damn, I thought you were starting a thread on internet sales of new cars Cos I don't understand that trend why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price, just to avoid a trip to the dealer for a discount? Because they are as dim as you? Our Citroen C4, now replaced, came from buyacar.co.uk in 2008, and we got a decent discount. that's different. that one of those brokers who finds you the dealer offering the best discount fo the car you are after. I am referring to buying direct from the manufacturer's website i.e toyota.com, at which I believe, it's full price or no car tim |
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Tim Streater wrote:
tim... wrote: why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price Our Citroen C4, now replaced, came from buyacar.co.uk in 2008, and we got a decent discount. Likewise I bought my car from DriveTheDeal, you fully spec the car, they find the dealer in the country who most wants the business, so you get a decent discount and they get a kickback. I was registered as second owner, with Buyacar as first owner, again IIRC. They did keep the logbook for 6 months None of that ********, I am the first owner. |
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On 21/07/17 13:54, tim... wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message .. . In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 21/07/17 13:14, tim... wrote: "Bill" wrote in message ... damn, I thought you were starting a thread on internet sales of new cars Cos I don't understand that trend why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price, just to avoid a trip to the dealer for a discount? Because they are as dim as you? Our Citroen C4, now replaced, came from buyacar.co.uk in 2008, and we got a decent discount. that's different. that one of those brokers who finds you the dealer offering the best discount fo the car you are after. I am referring to buying direct from the manufacturer's website i.e toyota.com, at which I believe, it's full price or no car tim I bet you you get an email back inviting you to take a car with 300 miles on the clock at a special discount. Provided you dont tell te dealers. -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?" |
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tim... wrote: "Huge" wrote in message ... On 2017-07-21, Bill wrote: To get you to send money for a non-existent car. more fool the people who buy cars without seeing them even if we ignore the risk of being scammed, why do people do this anyway? (same goes for flat/room rental) With classic cars for sale on Ebay, the favourite bit of fun, after the pub, seems to be bidding to win with zero intention of buying. -- *The man who fell into an upholstery machine is fully recovered* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Andy Burns wrote: Tim Streater wrote: tim... wrote: why would someone go on the web to choose their car and voluntarily pay FULL price Our Citroen C4, now replaced, came from buyacar.co.uk in 2008, and we got a decent discount. Likewise I bought my car from DriveTheDeal, you fully spec the car, they find the dealer in the country who most wants the business, so you get a decent discount and they get a kickback. I was registered as second owner, with Buyacar as first owner, again IIRC. They did keep the logbook for 6 months None of that ********, I am the first owner. Which makes a difference when selling. A one owner car is always favourite. -- *Most people have more than the average number of legs* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:50:08 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Andy Burns wrote: Tim Streater wrote: I was registered as second owner, with Buyacar as first owner, again IIRC. They did keep the logbook for 6 months None of that ********, I am the first owner. Which makes a difference when selling. A one owner car is always favourite. Unless the first owner was A. Vis or similar. |
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Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:50:08 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Andy Burns wrote: Tim Streater wrote: I was registered as second owner, with Buyacar as first owner, again IIRC. They did keep the logbook for 6 months None of that ********, I am the first owner. Which makes a difference when selling. A one owner car is always favourite. Unless the first owner was A. Vis or similar. I've bought a couple of cars at auction direct from a lease company. Not quite the same as car rental. But some might assume a company car to be treated worse than a private one. Both were very good value. And at least you can be sure what you're getting. -- *Wrinkled was not one of the things I wanted to be when I grew up Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote:
This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. |
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On 21/07/2017 17:10, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I've bought a couple of cars at auction direct from a lease company. Not quite the same as car rental. But some might assume a company car to be treated worse than a private one. Both were very good value. And at least you can be sure what you're getting. I bought my present car at auction after it came off lease to the producer of the latest St Trinians films. I checked the boot, but no nubile girls, or even hockey sticks. |
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes On 21/07/17 12:20, Bill wrote: I may be being paranoid, but............ In looking to find an affordable auto 4x4 that will tow 3.5 tons and has low range with no difflock, I seem to keep coming across suspicious adverts (ebay, gumtree, etc.) often for Range Rover Sports that invite questions to an email address at tbtmail.uk or bmbmail.uk. Prices are always suspiciously low and usually there is no feedback history. The cars seem to be listed for a long period, so maybe never actually sell. You are right to be suspicious. $whois bmbmail.uk Domain name: bmbmail.uk Registrant: Peter Clarke Registrant type: Unknown Registrant's address: Petsan Barn Lane Burry St Edmonds suffolk IP33 1YH United Kingdom Data validation: Nominet was able to match the registrant's name and address against a 3rd party data source on 16-Jul-2017 Registrar: Crazy Domains FZ-LLC [Tag = CRAZYDOMAINS-AE] URL: http://www.crazydomains.com Relevant dates: Registered on: 13-Jun-2017 Expiry date: 13-Jun-2018 Last updated: 16-Jul-2017 Registration status: Registered until expiry date. Name servers: ns1.crazydomains.com ns2.crazydomains.com WHOIS lookup made at 12:55:34 21-Jul-2017 Can't even spell Bury St Edmunds The same guy is behind tbtmail.uk Mail records point to google gmail, so its an individual in all likelihood posing as summat else. Here is his house /data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smU-7gjdXFWKCokbGbMeLCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en I just ignore them usually, but today I was intrigued and tried to find something about tbtmail.uk or bmbmail, but there seems no information anywhere. Rubbish Today's flurry of adverts seem to be "from" "garrythegrout" of Bromsgrove, who has 4 low-priced Land Rover products for sale in Liverpool. It looks as though this may be a stolen identity. This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. Probably just to get your email address, or perhaps a 'deposit' That's odd. Whois didn't provide anything for tbtmail.uk when I tried earlier, but it does now. The adverts in the name of garrythegrout have all disappeared from ebay as well. There goes my chance of getting a 12k car for 4k. :-) -- Bill |
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En el artículo , Bill
escribió: That's odd. Whois didn't provide anything for tbtmail.uk when I tried earlier, but it does now. Could you have tried tbtmail.co.uk? ^^ Both domains registered recently - 13 June this year Shady as ****. The adverts in the name of garrythegrout have all disappeared from ebay as well The current nom de plume appears to be "clint.viola" "please contact the owner ) only by email!" There goes my chance of getting a 12k car for 4k. :-) "if it looks too good to be true, it almost certainly is" is the advice here -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
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On 21/07/17 12:20, Bill wrote:
I may be being paranoid, but............ In looking to find an affordable auto 4x4 that will tow 3.5 tons and has low range with no difflock, I seem to keep coming across suspicious adverts (ebay, gumtree, etc.) often for Range Rover Sports that invite questions to an email address at tbtmail.uk or bmbmail.uk. Prices are always suspiciously low and usually there is no feedback history. The cars seem to be listed for a long period, so maybe never actually sell. Domain name: tbtmail.uk Registrant: Peter Clarke Registrant type: Unknown Registrant's address: Petsan Barn Lane Burry St Edmonds suffolk IP33 1YH United Kingdom Data validation: Nominet was able to match the registrant's name and address against a 3rd party data source on 16-Jul-2017 Relevant dates: Registered on: 13-Jun-2017 Domain name: bmbmail.uk Registrant: Peter Clarke Registrant type: Unknown Registrant's address: Petsan Barn Lane Burry St Edmonds suffolk IP33 1YH United Kingdom Data validation: Nominet was able to match the registrant's name and address against a 3rd party data source on 16-Jul-2017 Registrar: Crazy Domains FZ-LLC [Tag = CRAZYDOMAINS-AE] URL: http://www.crazydomains.com Relevant dates: Registered on: 13-Jun-2017 Expiry date: 13-Jun-2018 Last updated: 16-Jul-2017 I just ignore them usually, but today I was intrigued and tried to find something about tbtmail.uk or bmbmail, but there seems no information anywhere. Today's flurry of adverts seem to be "from" "garrythegrout" of Bromsgrove, who has 4 low-priced Land Rover products for sale in Liverpool. It looks as though this may be a stolen identity. This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. -- djc (–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿) No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree. |
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On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote:
On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. |
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On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote:
On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. -- "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. wont stop you getting beaten up tim |
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On 24/07/17 10:58, tim... wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. wont stop you getting beaten up may if yuu say 'cash is with a mate, and he is calling the police as we speak, because I didn't give him te thumbs up sign'. tim -- Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people. But Marxism is the crack cocaine. |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 24/07/17 10:58, tim... wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. wont stop you getting beaten up may if yuu say 'cash is with a mate, and he is calling the police as we speak, because I didn't give him te thumbs up sign'. Depends on whether they believe you and can see any mate calling the cops. |
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes On 24/07/17 10:58, tim... wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. wont stop you getting beaten up may if yuu say 'cash is with a mate, and he is calling the police as we speak, because I didn't give him te thumbs up sign'. Well, today there are 36 new adverts for Land Rovers, Audis etc., all in Birkenhead, all with a similar format, all using what may be one "borrowed" identity. I would have thought by now if the aim was a mugging, someone would have called the cops. Perhaps it's just a bored teenager playing? -- Bill |
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En el artículo , Bill
escribió: Well, today there are 36 new adverts for Land Rovers, Audis etc., all in Birkenhead you can be bloody sure if they do exist and are actually in Birkenhead, they won't be legit! -- (\_/) (='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick (")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West |
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writes En el artículo , Bill escribió: Well, today there are 36 new adverts for Land Rovers, Audis etc., all in Birkenhead you can be bloody sure if they do exist and are actually in Birkenhead, they won't be legit! And the listings all disappeared by about 3pm. Funny, that. -- Bill |
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On 7/24/2017 9:05 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/07/17 09:01, fred wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 5:37:09 PM UTC+1, GB wrote: On 21/07/2017 12:27, Huge wrote: This has all the hallmarks of some sort of scam, but I can't think what the aim is. To get you to send money for a non-existent car. I can just about cope with being scammed. But some people get tricked into turning up at an address with a few thou in their back pocket in cash. They then get mugged. Yes. Iv'e heard of someone buying a car online and beinga asked to meet the seller in a Hotel carpark to view the car and with cash in hand. He was assaulted and the cash stolen. Not watched enough films featuring drug deals had he? Don't take the cash. Have it round the corner in a mate's pocket. Once its clear the car exists, and there are no toughs hanging round, call him. Provided you still have a phone. Better for the mate to have clear sight from inside a locked car, with a phone and ready to lean on the horn. |
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On 7/24/2017 4:03 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Bill escribió: Well, today there are 36 new adverts for Land Rovers, Audis etc., all in Birkenhead you can be bloody sure if they do exist and are actually in Birkenhead, they won't be legit! I believe my old friends in the Office of Nuclear Regulation in Bootle now have a secure car park. At one time they used to have to regularly collect their cars from around the local young offenders centre, where they were left after being borrowed by visitors. |
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