On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 12:49:45 +0000, bert wrote:

In article , T i m
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 22:29:33 +0000, bert wrote:

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Sadly the remoaners on here don't seem able to raise any real issues to
answer.

Ironically, they aren't obliged to.

Leaver: We think we should change things.

Ordinary person: Why?

Leaver: Because we think we should.

Ordinary person: Ok, but *why* ... it seems to be going ok as it is?

Leaver: I just said, are you thick, because we *think* it might be a
good idea possibly (but to be honest we haven't really thought it
though yet)!


So why didn't you vote for the status quo?

Because I whilst I realised the Brexiteers really were lying fantasist
chancers, I (knew I didn't know, unlike the Brexiteers) ... didn't
know if there actually were enough advantages to leaving to make it a
good choice?

Cue long meaningless rant on level 1 psychology

Cue repetitive loop of bert asking the same question and never
understanding the simple answer (to a question that really shouldn't
need asking if you had more than one brain cell).

Cheers, T i m

charles wrote
Rod Speed wrote:
dennis@home wrote
Capitol wrote
dennis@home wrote
Capitol wrote

Where is your demonstration of the benefits of paying #1B a week in
costs to the Eu?

Cheaper food, cheaper exports, protection from dumping by other
countries, better employment laws, better safety standards, less
red tape for exporters to the EU, a better pound dollar exchange
rate, ....

Now its your turn to come up with good reasons to leave as actual
facts and not more lies and hopes.

None of your points are true! Food is more expensive in the EU,

Some food is more expensive but most will go up when we leave.

Another remoaner lie. When Britain is free to import what food it
imports from anywhere it likes in the world without any EU tariff
on it, it will in fact go down, you silly little pathological liar.

That assumes other parts of the world have spare capacity to sell to us.

Nope. Much of it like butter and cheese and lamb etc etc etc are
completely trivial to produce more of when demand increases.

Not much harder with wine and fruit etc.

Australia & New Zealand have found other customers for their products.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
that you have never had a ****ing clue.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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Capitol wrote:
You think we'll be able to buy electricity from the US at 6p a unit
then? And petrol from Saudi for what it sells there for too?

Any other dreams?


Welcome to increasing self inflicted EU poverty Dave!

Do you really think there will be less poverty after we leave the EU?
You
seem to be in a club of one there.

Yes. Cut of the excessive supply of cheap unskilled labour and wages at
the bottom end will rise. But of course socialists don't want that
because the ex-poor don't vote Labour.

But several of your co-conspirators on here want the
benefit of cheap food etc from all around the world.

For a damned good reason.

That is going to be very good for UK jobs.

Wont make any difference to UK jobs when it replaces
imports of more expensive food from the EU.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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bert wrote:
That must be why they are so keen to restore their trade links with the
UK as explained by the Australian Ambassador recently.

Every country in the world will be very keen to get access to the UK
market.

Most of them wont be interested.

Why wouldn't they want to sell us stuff? The 64,000
dollar question is how we're going to pay for it.

Same way you clowns pay more for what you get from the EU.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 08/12/2017 10:49, Capitol wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 07/12/2017 12:19, Tim Streater wrote:
In article om,
"dennis@home" wrote:

Its a free trade area ...

It's a protectionist area, Den.


Its also a free trade area that we will be leaving and will then suffer
from any protectionist policies they make.
This will affect our exports to them adversely, but as we only export
44% of our exports to them it will only be a minor inconvenience having
lots of industry shut down.


More crystal ball unsubstantiated crap. Very little of our industry
is involved in EU trade.

No only about 44% of our export trade goes to the EU

And the bulk of that will continue, because even if tariffs
are imposed, the devaluation of the pound means it will
be cheaper for EUians to buy after Britain leaves the EU.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The staggering naivete on display by remoaners never ceases to amaze.
It's clear that they have never operated on a commercial envoronment at
all.

If a market exists, and the price is right, production can be increased.

True. Now explain just why the UK has such a bad trade balance in goods.

For the same reason the entire modern first world except Australia
does, the cost of production is much lower in China for all by the
most complex stuff like aircraft engines, aircraft etc and stuff they
can't do like financial services and docos and banking etc.

But not explain how Germany manages to do so much better.

Much worse with stuff like financial services, the best scotch, docos etc.

Before the EEC, we imported beef from argenina, fruit from australia and
south africa, lamb and dairy from new zealand and when we joined the
EEC ALL THESE WENT UP IN PRICE. and we didnt import them any more.,

Ah - back to importing things again.

That’s what all modern world countrys do.

We already do far too much of that.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that’s saying something.

There is no alternative.

Especially of all those products which can be easily produced here.

But not anything like as cheaply.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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T i m wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 22:29:33 +0000, bert wrote:

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Sadly the remoaners on here don't seem able to raise any real issues to
answer.

Ironically, they aren't obliged to.

Leaver: We think we should change things.

Ordinary person: Why?

Leaver: Because we think we should.

Ordinary person: Ok, but *why* ... it seems to be going ok as it is?

Leaver: I just said, are you thick, because we *think* it might be a
good idea possibly (but to be honest we haven't really thought it
though yet)!

Yup. Not one on here (or anywhere else) has a clear
and viable plan for our future outside the EU.

More remoaner lies. Tell the EU to go and ****
themselves and carry on regard is a very clear
and viable plan for britains future outside the EU.

Just a number of uneducated hopes or guesses.

More remoaner lies.

And regardless of whether they have or havent, the
majority who bothered to vote voted to leave and
you remoaner ****wits get to like that or lump it.

reams of your even sillier **** flushed where it belongs

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Capitol wrote:
Its also a free trade area that we will be leaving and will then suffer
from any protectionist policies they make.
This will affect our exports to them adversely, but as we only export
44% of our exports to them it will only be a minor inconvenience having
lots of industry shut down.


More crystal ball unsubstantiated crap. Very little of our industry is
involved in EU trade.

The EU is by far our single largest export market for goods.

And will continue to be once Britain leaves the EU and
will likely see even more exported to the EU because
even if the EU does impose tariffs on some of Britains
exports that compete with what the EU itself produces,
the devaluation of the pound will mean that stuff will
be cheaper in the hands of the buyers.

And then there are services

Same applys to those with the devaluation of the pound.

- and the fact so many businesses base themselves
in the UK because of easy access to the EU.

In fact its only really the car industry that that is true of and
much of that has left Britain anyway for various reasons.

But all I'd like from Brexiteers is the facts about
who we will export to if we lose the EU market.

Britain wont lose the EU market, you watch.

Not guesses or hopes, but facts.

You claim about losing the EU market
is just that, a pig ignorant guess.

As most sensible people would want
to know *before* leaping off that cliff.

No one has leapt off any cliff, remoaner.

And regardless of whether you approve or not, the
majority of those who bother to vote voted to leave
and you ****wit remoaners get to like that or lump it.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Capitol wrote:
We are well aware of your desire to keep paying for an unelected
governing quango in Brussels, Lower wages for British workers, high
housing costs, more EU taxation etc, when are you going to engage your
limited brain and develop good reasons for not leaving?

And I'm asking just where we are going to export to - both goods and
services - if we lose free access to the EU and become uncompetitive
there.

Given the devaluation of the pound, Britain wont be uncompetitive there,
****wit.

We are not a country which is even vaguely self sufficient in anything.

That’s complete and utter bull**** with all of docos,
scotch, aircraft engines, financial services, etc etc etc.

So have to earn a living in this world.

And that is easier to do given the devaluation of the pound.

And how well we do that determines wages etc.

And which country hordes want to move to. Clearly that is Britain.

Not the relative pittance we pay to the EU.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that’s saying something.

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 11:33:24 +0000, Capitol wrote:


None of your points are true! Food is more expensive in the EU,


Is that why butter has nearly doubled in price since last year?


That's because the market is rigged by the EU. NZ butter has not
doubled in price on the world market.

I don't want to buy foreign butter and New Zealand is just as
foreign as France as far as I'm concerned. I buy British Butter

More fool you. And marg makes a lot more sense anyway.

if that is becoming and expensive in short supply it as much
to do with the squeezing of margins to Dairy farmers by the
likes of Tesco, Asda etc that has forced many of them to give up
production rather than work for bugger all than anything else.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 11:33:24 +0000, Capitol wrote:


None of your points are true! Food is more expensive in the EU,


Is that why butter has nearly doubled in price since last year?


That's because the market is rigged by the EU. NZ butter has not
doubled in price on the world market.

I don't want to buy foreign butter and New Zealand is just as foreign
as France as far as I'm concerned.
I buy British Butter if that is becoming and expensive in short
supply it as much to do with the squeezing of margins to Dairy farmers
by the likes of Tesco, Asda etc that has forced many of them to give
up production rather than work for bugger all than anything else.

Quite. If there is one thing we could be self sufficient in, it is dairy
produce. But brexiteers want to buy it from the cheapest source worldwide.

Only a fool wouldn’t.

Then lie about being concerned about UK jobs

More of your lies. There is no problem with UK jobs, that’s
why so many foreigners keep pouring into the country, liar.

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Steve Walker wrote:
When you decide to change the status quo, it's up to you to give the
benefits of doing so. And pretty well all of those reasons given
before the referendum have proved to be either lies or just hopes. And
the hopes of gamblers too.

It is equally up to those that want to retain the status quo to come up
with reasons to do so and "We don't know what might happen if we change
things" is not enough otherwise nothing would ever change.

Do you change things just for the sake of it? Leave a reasonable job
without having a new one to go to - on a whim?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
When you decide to change the status quo, it's up to you to give the
benefits of doing so. And pretty well all of those reasons given
before the referendum have proved to be either lies or just hopes. And
the hopes of gamblers too.

It is equally up to those that want to retain the status quo to come up
with reasons to do so and "We don't know what might happen if we change
things" is not enough otherwise nothing would ever change.

Do you change things just for the sake of it?
Leave a reasonable job without having a new one to go to

Britain does have a reasonable system to go to, the WTO rules.

- on a whim?

Nothing even remotely like a whim. Seeing the result of
any EUian who wants to move to Britain free to do that.

Do you stay in a ****ed situation when there is a viable alternative
to change to ? Yep, you stupid remoaners are actually that stupid.

On 17/12/2017 16:44, pamela wrote:
On 00:52 9 Dec 2017, bm wrote:


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:49:31 +0000, Capitol wrote:

We are well aware of your desire to keep paying for an
unelected governing quango in Brussels, Lower wages for
British workers, high housing costs, more EU taxation etc,
when are you going to engage your limited brain and develop
good reasons for not leaving?

I've already asked him. He hasn't thus far come up with a
single one!

Oh c'mon, he was a lowly sound engineer (turning knobs), how TF
can he be expected to know about these things?
Give the lad a break.

What work did you say you did?


He was an apprentice troll but he has retired to do it full time.

In article ,
pamela wrote:
On 00:52 9 Dec 2017, bm wrote:


"Cursitor Doom" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 20:49:31 +0000, Capitol wrote:

We are well aware of your desire to keep paying for an
unelected governing quango in Brussels, Lower wages for
British workers, high housing costs, more EU taxation etc,
when are you going to engage your limited brain and develop
good reasons for not leaving?

I've already asked him. He hasn't thus far come up with a
single one!

Oh c'mon, he was a lowly sound engineer (turning knobs), how TF
can he be expected to know about these things?
Give the lad a break.

What work did you say you did?

Paper clip salesman seems to be it given how jealous he appears to be of
my career. Given how often he mentions it.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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