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Strange BT broadband pricing
My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99
after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. |
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On 22/11/2017 14:40, Andrew wrote:
My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. Any particular reason for using BT (BT Sport or BT mobile as well perhaps)? Otherwise this is at least twice as expensive as it should be for a 20MBps deal, probably more. I am with Plusnet (owned by BT) - customer service very good in the odd ocassion when I needed them (very little), based in the North of England (is BT's still in India?), £18/month for a line (that we never use), and unlimited 20MBps broadband. |
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On 22/11/2017 14:40, Andrew wrote:
My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. I suggest you feed your postcode into uSwitch and see what Black Friday deals they have on there. It looks like if you insist on BT then 29.99 pcm 18 month contract will get you fibre 50Gbps with the optional sports package free for a while if you want it (extra setup charge). Plusnet is considerably cheaper and works better IME. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Andrew wrote:
My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... -- Graham J |
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Andrew wrote:
My latest BT bill You're trying to understand a BT bill? Save yourself the time and kill yourself now ... |
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On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote:
Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... |
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On 22/11/2017 16:07, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill You're trying to understand a BT bill? Save yourself the time and kill yourself now ... It's much easier now than it used to be, and as far as I am concerned they are reliable. The only wobbly period was sorted out. |
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On 22/11/2017 14:51, Martin Brown wrote:
On 22/11/2017 14:40, Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. I suggest you feed your postcode into uSwitch and see what Black Friday deals they have on there. It looks like if you insist on BT then 29.99 pcm 18 month contract will get you fibre 50Gbps with the optional sports package free for a while if you want it (extra setup charge). Plusnet is considerably cheaper and works better IME. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. It was only last month that they announced a vulnerability in the WPA2 protocol that almost everybody uses, so definitely not perfectly secure. It's not stopping me using it though - too many hand-held devices in this household and too much convenience when using the laptop. Although we do use a wired network for (almost) all the non-mobile stuff. If I can find the enthusiasm to run another couple of cables in under the floors, only the mobile stuff will remain on wi-fi. Hopefully patches for the router and devices will become available soon. SteveW |
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On 22/11/2017 16:12, Andrew wrote:
On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... Cheap enough to get your own domain name which you can take with you if/when you change supplier. Tell 'everyone' to use it and run both in parallel until they've all got the message. -- F |
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"Andrew" wrote in message news  On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... It never makes any sense to use the suppliers email for just that reason. |
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Brian Gaff wrote
Who knows but there are not very well guarded secrets about packet prioritisation coming if the US go this way after the vote as isps over there want to be able to charge more for access to streaming video for example. We've never been stupid enough to go the US route and it works fine. "Andrew" wrote in message news My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. |
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On 22/11/2017 16:12, Andrew wrote:
On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... Start moving folks off it now, the next year you can move freely... Dave |
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"F" news@nowhere wrote in message ... On 22/11/2017 16:12, Andrew wrote: On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... Cheap enough to get your own domain name which you can take with you if/when you change supplier. Tell 'everyone' to use it and run both in parallel until they've all got the message. Very much +1. I have a .net domain which costs me £65 for 5 years with all e-mail forwarding included. -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:07:52 +0000
Andy Burns wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill You're trying to understand a BT bill? Save yourself the time and kill yourself now ... Their weird way of charging for a price increase (it resembled the three-card trick) was one of the things that persuaded me to move to Zen. That and the fact that Zen were cheaper for the same service. -- Davey. |
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On 22/11/2017 16:12, Andrew wrote:
On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... Registering and hosting co.uk domain that can be used to forward all your emails is £1/month (could be much less if you sign for a longer than one year deal). Using your figures I make it that you effectively pay around £18/month to keep your email address. |
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On 22/11/2017 14:40, Andrew wrote:
My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. I notice that there is no mention of an 18 month contract for their offer for Infinity 'Lite' as they call it, though they do charge a £50 activation fee. (*) Although they claim 'up to 17 Mb' I actually get about 20Mb download where I live. I don't use WifI, so all the claims about the performance of their Smart Hub are pointless. I have an 18 month contract for 38 Mbps Vodafone FTTC and phone at £25pm. Look at the offers on www.thinkbroadband.com -- Michael Chare |
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:51:23 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. Must live in a cardboard house. Have a place with proper walls (14" to 18" random stone) and WiFi just doesn't get through them. To get reasonable coverage I need 3 (well placed) APs Secure? Long standing bug has recently been uncovered, though to exploit it isn't that easy and you need to be within range of the target system. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 22/11/2017 19:23, Woody wrote:
"F" news@nowhere wrote in message ... On 22/11/2017 16:12, Andrew wrote: On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with free infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- cost type speed limit cloud 35.99 (now) adsl2+ ~20Mb (*) 15GB not sure 29.99 (42.99) adsl2+ ~20Mb none 200GB 34.99 (??) inf ~38Mb 30GB 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99) inf ~52Mb none 200GB 40.99 (56.49) inf ~76Mb none 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... Cheap enough to get your own domain name which you can take with you if/when you change supplier. Tell 'everyone' to use it and run both in parallel until they've all got the message. Very much +1. I have a .net domain which costs me £65 for 5 years with all e-mail forwarding included. Yes, I got a .me.uk domain some years ago, which costs me £12 every two years. I have changed ISP three times since then and all I have to do is change the redirection of mail to me and point my home system at the new ISP. No need to inform anyone of a change, because everything stays the same to them. Because I also have my own mailserver, all my emails (including the odd one from 12 years ago) remain too. SteveW |
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writes I have an 18 month contract for 38 Mbps Vodafone FTTC and phone at £25pm. Look at the offers on www.thinkbroadband.com And then remember their performance with Demon Internet (R.I.P.). -- Bill |
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On 23/11/2017 00:08, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:51:23 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. Must live in a cardboard house. Have a place with proper walls (14" to 18" random stone) and WiFi just doesn't get through them. To get reasonable coverage I need 3 (well placed) APs I have some walls 3' thick in places - there are some dead spots. My Wifi is upstairs and the wooden floors don't put up much resistance. My WiFi will reach about 300m in free air with the right high gain antenna at the other end. Increasingly it is modern homes with foil backed wall insulation that present the most difficulties for WiFi coverage. I recommend the WiFi dongles with detachable antenna and a high gain flat panel for difficult to reach garden sheds etc. Secure? Long standing bug has recently been uncovered, though to exploit it isn't that easy and you need to be within range of the target system. All things are relative. The risk isn't that great on WPA2 even with the new vulnerability. I won't be going back to WEP any time soon! -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote:
The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. I'll jump at the end of the year. With any luck by then a few more ISPs (not just BT, Zen and A&A) will support FTTP. BT have already annoyed me by putting the price up... Andy |
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:55:01 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:
On 23/11/2017 00:08, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:51:23 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. Must live in a cardboard house. Have a place with proper walls (14" to 18" random stone) and WiFi just doesn't get through them. To get reasonable coverage I need 3 (well placed) APs I have some walls 3' thick in places - there are some dead spots. My Wifi is upstairs and the wooden floors don't put up much resistance. My WiFi will reach about 300m in free air with the right high gain antenna at the other end. Increasingly it is modern homes with foil backed wall insulation that present the most difficulties for WiFi coverage. I recommend the WiFi dongles with detachable antenna and a high gain flat panel for difficult to reach garden sheds etc. An alternative option (especially useful for kilometres long point to point links) is to use a wok antenna or two. Basically a USB WiFi adapter mounted at the focal point of a traditional Chinese wok which approximates the shape of a perfect parabolic reflector to a remarkable degree. The main advantage of such an arrangement is total elimination of feeder cable losses suffered by a remotely connected external antenna. Using USB active hubs as regenerators, it's even possible to site the wok antenna up to 24 metres away from the host pc without incurring any of the microwave cabling losses associated with detachable antennas connected via a co-axial feeder cable of even the shortest possible length. In the case of a remote garden shed a mere few hundred metres away, a single wok antenna at the house targeting said shed, should suffice quite nicely. Indeed, at sub kilometre distances, if you want to use an AP rather than tie up a whole PC or repurposed laptop to act as the host to a WiFi dongle, you can probably get away with mounting a separate antenna at the focal point of a cheap wok via no more than a metre or so of feeder without too much of the 12 to 18dB gain that a wok can provide being consumed by feeder cable loss. Alternatively, at sub 300m ranges to the shed, the more modest gain of a cantenna would likely be more than sufficient for the job (neater and more compact than a wok antenna). -- Johnny B Good |
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Vir Campestris wrote:
I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. You have no more a direct contact to openreach when other parts of BT Group are your broadband supplier, than when with any other openreach reseller. |
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 08:05:03 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote: I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. You have no more a direct contact to openreach when other parts of BT Group are your broadband supplier, than when with any other openreach reseller. Arguably, you're better off with a supplier that will actually hassle OR. That supplier is probably not BT Retail. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 23/11/2017 21:24, Johnny B Good wrote:
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:55:01 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 23/11/2017 00:08, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:51:23 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. Must live in a cardboard house. Have a place with proper walls (14" to 18" random stone) and WiFi just doesn't get through them. To get reasonable coverage I need 3 (well placed) APs I have some walls 3' thick in places - there are some dead spots. My Wifi is upstairs and the wooden floors don't put up much resistance. My WiFi will reach about 300m in free air with the right high gain antenna at the other end. Increasingly it is modern homes with foil backed wall insulation that present the most difficulties for WiFi coverage. I recommend the WiFi dongles with detachable antenna and a high gain flat panel for difficult to reach garden sheds etc. Alternatively, at sub 300m ranges to the shed, the more modest gain of a cantenna would likely be more than sufficient for the job (neater and more compact than a wok antenna). I was going to make a cantenna (in the true spirit of DIY). I had all the bits and had even eaten up the Pringles but ran out of time and bought an off the shelf flat panel 18dB gain antenna instead. USB Wifi dongle was chosen because it had the right chipset, detachable antenna and expendable since they were remaindered at £5 each. They have gone up a bit to £8 but appear still to be available (newer chipset) : https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/pr...ntenna-Dongle/ -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:12:08 UTC, Andrew wrote:
On 22/11/2017 15:13, Graham J wrote: Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental and bband charges and various discount, all of which have now vanished. They have been nagging me with freeÂ* infinity activation for ages so out of interest I had a look at what their so-called offers are :- costÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* typeÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* speedÂ*Â*Â*Â* limitÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cloud 35.99 (now)Â*Â*Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20Mb (*)Â* 15GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* not sure 29.99 (42.99)Â* adsl2+Â*Â*Â* ~20MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 34.99 (??)Â*Â*Â*Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~38MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* 30GBÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 10GB +£50 activation 36.99 (49.99)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~52MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 200GB 40.99 (56.49)Â* infÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ~76MbÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* noneÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* 1000GB Figures in backets are presumably what will be charged in 18 months time after contract expiry. In other words, I could double my monthly allowance, and get a small speed increase while paying £1 a month less than I pay now for Option 1 normal broadband. Odd for BT to give anything away !. Does anyone know any hidden catches ?. The catch is that it is BT. Try a sensible supplier ... And lose my main email address that everyone knows .... That's a good reason for NOT using your ISP email service as your main one, that way you can switch whenever you like without worry about this sort of thing. |
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On 24/11/17 08:05, Andy Burns wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote: I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. You have no more a direct contact to openreach when other parts of BT Group are your broadband supplier, than when with any other openreach reseller. IME you have worse -- Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not. Ayn Rand. |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message news On 23/11/2017 21:24, Johnny B Good wrote: On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:55:01 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: On 23/11/2017 00:08, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 14:51:23 +0000, Martin Brown wrote: Wifi is now perfectly reliable and secure. It was not always true. Must live in a cardboard house. Have a place with proper walls (14" to 18" random stone) and WiFi just doesn't get through them. To get reasonable coverage I need 3 (well placed) APs I have some walls 3' thick in places - there are some dead spots. My Wifi is upstairs and the wooden floors don't put up much resistance. My WiFi will reach about 300m in free air with the right high gain antenna at the other end. Increasingly it is modern homes with foil backed wall insulation that present the most difficulties for WiFi coverage. I recommend the WiFi dongles with detachable antenna and a high gain flat panel for difficult to reach garden sheds etc. Alternatively, at sub 300m ranges to the shed, the more modest gain of a cantenna would likely be more than sufficient for the job (neater and more compact than a wok antenna). I was going to make a cantenna (in the true spirit of DIY). I had all the bits and had even eaten up the Pringles but ran out of time and bought an off the shelf flat panel 18dB gain antenna instead. USB Wifi dongle was chosen because it had the right chipset, detachable antenna and expendable since they were remaindered at £5 each. They have gone up a bit to £8 but appear still to be available (newer chipset) : https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/pr...ntenna-Dongle/ Now there's a surprise. I didn't know Morgan were still in business. They used to have a shop in Upper Oxford Street more or less opposite a branch of Jessops. They also opened a branch ISTR in the middle of Brum and certainly had one on the ramp approach into Piccadilly Station in Manchester. Used to have some good bargains. Was dealing with them even in CP/M days in the mid 80's! -- Woody harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com |
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On 24/11/2017 10:54, Woody wrote:
"Martin Brown" wrote in message news On 23/11/2017 21:24, Johnny B Good wrote: Alternatively, at sub 300m ranges to the shed, the more modest gain of a cantenna would likely be more than sufficient for the job (neater and more compact than a wok antenna). I was going to make a cantenna (in the true spirit of DIY). I had all the bits and had even eaten up the Pringles but ran out of time and bought an off the shelf flat panel 18dB gain antenna instead. USB Wifi dongle was chosen because it had the right chipset, detachable antenna and expendable since they were remaindered at £5 each. They have gone up a bit to £8 but appear still to be available (newer chipset) : https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/pr...ntenna-Dongle/ Now there's a surprise. I didn't know Morgan were still in business. They are not except in name. ISTR they got taken over by IJT or ITJ but continue trading under the Morgan name sans shops on the high street. They used to have a shop in Upper Oxford Street more or less opposite a branch of Jessops. They also opened a branch ISTR in the middle of Brum and certainly had one on the ramp approach into Piccadilly Station in Manchester. I was a regular at the one in Manchester. I still have a working business duplex laser printer bought from there more than a decade ago. Used to have some good bargains. Was dealing with them even in CP/M days in the mid 80's! They still have the odd bargain but a lot of tat too. I am surprised you managed to get off their postal mailing list, or have you moved house? -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 24/11/2017 08:05, Andy Burns wrote:
Vir Campestris wrote: I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. You have no more a direct contact to openreach when other parts of BT Group are your broadband supplier, than when with any other openreach reseller. In theory, that's true. But it's kind of awkward for one part of BT to try to blame a different part. Andy |
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:22:44 +0000, Vir Campestris wrote:
I'm with BT. I reckoned that when they installed our fibre they'd screw it up (they did) and by signing up with them I would have a one stop shop. You have no more a direct contact to openreach when other parts of BT Group are your broadband supplier, than when with any other openreach reseller. In theory, that's true. But it's kind of awkward for one part of BT to try to blame a different part. Not that BT care, had a helluva battle porting the a base ISDN number from BT Business to a BT residential POTS line. They where totally in capable of talking to each other and arranging some form of synchronised event. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Andrew wrote: My latest BT bill shows broadband and line rental charged at £35.99 after many years of separate line rental mega snip Is it weatherlawyer? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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