It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM

MM wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Based on no experience of these systems at all, this one seems to cater
for 30-600 population, which might be oversize for 40 houses

http://www.ukseptictanks.co.uk/sewage-treatment-plants/condersaf50

£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Based on no experience of these systems at all, this one seems to cater
for 30-600 population, which might be oversize for 40 houses

http://www.ukseptictanks.co.uk/sewage-treatment-plants/condersaf50

£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

The prices on that website are considerably less than the "rough
quote" obtained by the residents' management committee. However, this
is in the very earliest stages of discovery.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.

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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...

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jim wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


How feasible is going onto mains drainage? maybe get a quote for that
option?

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:16:34 +0000, Bob Minchin
wrote:

jim wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


How feasible is going onto mains drainage? maybe get a quote for that
option?

Nope. Anglian Water won't entertain it. Too far away from any current
mains.

MM

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:30:52 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

£91,000? Did I read that right?

Seems rather a lot.

MM

On 19/11/2017 12:34, jim wrote:


There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...



No **** Sherlock...

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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:22:37 +0000, MM wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:30:52 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

£91,000? Did I read that right?

Seems rather a lot.

No, he's just trying to extrapolate the breakdown from your figures.
Apart from anything else he hasn't allowed for the installation of the
£11k plant.

ARW Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 12:34, jim wrote:


There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...



No **** Sherlock...


Indeed! :-D
.....nor washing, bathing, showering etc either...


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On 19/11/2017 14:45, jim wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 12:34, jim wrote:


There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...



No **** Sherlock...


Indeed! :-D
.....nor washing, bathing, showering etc either...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yShvgXZQBTs

to accompany a bit of DIY?


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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Why not ask the people who are going to do it? And how could you possibly
complain about or try to negogiate a price here? The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in. It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

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Tim+ Wrote in message:
MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

Tim

I'd guess they're poisoned with bleaches, shower gels, detergents
& tammys...
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Why not ask the people who are going to do it?

No one knows that yet. We were only informed yesterday.

And how could you possibly
complain about or try to negogiate a price here?

I am not complaining, nor negotiating. I am simply asking a question.

The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!

It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

Then none of the properties is saleable, therefore worthless and the
entire estate will have to be condemned as unfit for human habitation
and all residents rehoused by the taxpayer.

MM

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:14:38 +0000 (GMT), Tim+
wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

One company's website I looked at used to sell reed bed systems, but a
red warning notice near the foot of the page stated that they have
discontinued them after one customer almost died, presumably from
infection of some sort.

MM

On 19/11/2017 15:04, Robin wrote:
On 19/11/2017 14:45, jim wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 12:34, jim wrote:


There's also the management of the interim period to consider.Â* 40
Â*Â* households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


No **** Sherlock...


Indeed! :-D
.....nor washing, bathing, showering etc either...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yShvgXZQBTs

to accompany a bit of DIY?


Reminds me of the BCO that annoyed me last year.

--
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MM wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Why not ask the people who are going to do it?

No one knows that yet. We were only informed yesterday.

And how could you possibly
complain about or try to negogiate a price here?

I am not complaining, nor negotiating. I am simply asking a question.

The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!

It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

Then none of the properties is saleable, therefore worthless and the
entire estate will have to be condemned as unfit for human habitation
and all residents rehoused by the taxpayer.

MM
That's a bit on the pessimistic side. This is well within the range a
leaseholder of a flat might have to find (or borrow) in order to
maintain the common property. And any house with adjacent open land has
the possibillty of putting in their own sewage disposal arrangements if
the whole group can't get their act together. This would probably be
substantially more expensive though.


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Tim+ wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:14:38 +0000 (GMT), Tim+
wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

One company's website I looked at used to sell reed bed systems, but a
red warning notice near the foot of the page stated that they have
discontinued them after one customer almost died, presumably from
infection of some sort.

I think it was a build up of deadly hydrogen sulphide. Was working
in the bed and disturbed the mud and got gassed to
death.

Tim

Maybe someone fly-tipped some plasterboard in it. (I am aware of other
sources of sulphur however, before anyone tells me.)

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replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Very good, thank you for the clarification. However, you might want to start
talking to Lawyers, The Health Dept., County Engineering, etc. These things
don't just happen, there was abundant negligence by someone and most
especially by the Gov't Agencies named. No homeowners should be short changed
here for Gov't inaction, fraud and criminal negligence.

--
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Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.
Brian

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"Tim+" wrote in message
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MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

Tim
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On 19/11/17 12:34, jim wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


Ok it was just one house, but mine was installed in less than 4 hours.

We had dug a hole for it the previous day.


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On 19-Nov-17 7:36 PM, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:
....
The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!...

Depending upon the site available and the drain layout, it might be
possible to install the new unit first, divert the drains into it, then
worry about the old one. That would minimise disruption and you might
find that the old unit doesn't need to be removed, although it would
probably need to be filled in for safety.

--
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On 19/11/2017 19:36, MM wrote:
snip

It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

Then none of the properties is saleable, therefore worthless and the
entire estate will have to be condemned as unfit for human habitation
and all residents rehoused by the taxpayer.


Did these properties have market values less than GBP 10,000 on average
before you discovered the problem with the sewage plant?





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Iggy m Wrote in
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replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Very good, thank you for the clarification. However, you might want to start
talking to Lawyers, The Health Dept., County Engineering, etc. These things
don't just happen, there was abundant negligence by someone and most
especially by the Gov't Agencies named. No homeowners should be short changed
here for Gov't inaction, fraud and criminal negligence.


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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:42:51 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

MM wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Why not ask the people who are going to do it?

No one knows that yet. We were only informed yesterday.

And how could you possibly
complain about or try to negogiate a price here?

I am not complaining, nor negotiating. I am simply asking a question.

The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!

It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

Then none of the properties is saleable, therefore worthless and the
entire estate will have to be condemned as unfit for human habitation
and all residents rehoused by the taxpayer.

MM
That's a bit on the pessimistic side. This is well within the range a
leaseholder of a flat might have to find (or borrow) in order to
maintain the common property. And any house with adjacent open land has
the possibillty of putting in their own sewage disposal arrangements if
the whole group can't get their act together. This would probably be
substantially more expensive though.

They would not get planning permission. People have already enquired
several years ago and the authorities state that there is a communal
private sewage treatment plant for the estate and that's that.

MM

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 03:44:03 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Very good, thank you for the clarification. However, you might want to start
talking to Lawyers, The Health Dept., County Engineering, etc. These things
don't just happen, there was abundant negligence by someone and most
especially by the Gov't Agencies named. No homeowners should be short changed
here for Gov't inaction, fraud and criminal negligence.

You are absolutely correct in those comments. Residents assumed that
what the management committee was tasked to do, was being done. This
goes back several years. However, it has become known that the
original installation was allegedly carried out inexpertly. First, the
tank in the ground is supposed to be supported on ALL sides by a
concrete barrier or containment. This was not, or only partially,
implemented, thus causing the tank (fiberglass) to start collapsing
inwards.

Second, the spec was allegedly not correct in that the original design
provided for ONE tank, but "someone" (surveyor? local authority?)
decided after construction had commenced that a SECOND tank was
required as well.

Third, the company who supplied the plant has ceased trading.

Fourth, the company that built the estate and all amenities, including
the private sewage treatment plant (PSTP) is allegedly still trading.

BUT....!

To take all those involved to court would cost a fortune. Probably
well in excess of the £100,000 rough quote for a new PSTP. It would
also take forever to go through the courts, with appeals and so on,
while in the meantime the estate could be left high and (literally)
dry with no sewage treatment for 120 persons (estimated).

So it is a complete and utter shambles and I cannot see how on earth
it is going to be resolved. The Environment Agency and other agencies
are *extremely* strict about sewage and groundwater contamination,
quite rightly.

However, this cannot be the only PSTP to have failed and I'm trying to
discover which ones may have anywhere in the country and what was done
about it. There are just in Lincolnshire around 4,000 PSTPs of one
size of another, because Lincs is a large, very rural county.

Further note: Five years ago Anglian Water "adopted" the sewage
treatment of a whole village in the neighbourhood. All the dwellings
and farms at the time had their own cesspits/septic tanks. Anglian
Water constructed a new sewage treatment plant (size of a bungalow on
a plot of about half an acre) and dug up the single, main road through
the village to put all properties on to mains drainage. The work took
over a year, as I recall.

Residents here have always hoped that AW would do the same here, but I
wrote to AW several years ago and their reply was that we live too far
from any of their mains sewers, so it ain't gonna happen.

Please bear in mind that I am in no way involved in the management of
this shambles, but am endeavouring to find out on my own as much as I
can as an individual resident who has religiously paid the £400 annual
service charge every year. Obviously, all residents have been
extremely complacent over the years and believed everything they were
told. I think even now not all residents appreciate the dire situation
confronting them.

If you have any further suggestions, feel free to mention them!

Thanks.

MM

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:32:25 +0000, Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Nov-17 7:36 PM, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:
...
The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!...

Depending upon the site available and the drain layout, it might be
possible to install the new unit first, divert the drains into it, then
worry about the old one. That would minimise disruption and you might
find that the old unit doesn't need to be removed, although it would
probably need to be filled in for safety.

Good idea, but what seems sensible to you or me, it doesn't
necessarily follow that the council, health & safety, the Environment
Agency, or other bodies would see it the same way. You must know that
councils up and down the land tear buildings down if they haven't
received the proper planning permission. I don't know whether such
bodies have become more flexible in recent years as I, thank God, have
never had to deal with them. But, let's face it, such bodies do
attract a certain number of pettifogging officials who relish the
chance to be bloody-minded.

From a practical POV the land area available should provide plenty of
space for your suggestion (new unit, then fill in old hole). The land
area outwith the PSTP is currently grassed over.

MM

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:44:34 +0000, Robin wrote:

On 19/11/2017 19:36, MM wrote:
snip

It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

Then none of the properties is saleable, therefore worthless and the
entire estate will have to be condemned as unfit for human habitation
and all residents rehoused by the taxpayer.


Did these properties have market values less than GBP 10,000 on average
before you discovered the problem with the sewage plant?

No, of course not. But without provision for sewage disposal meeting
the required standards, no one in their right mind is going to
contemplate a purchase. Therefore, the properties are unsaleable and
consequently worthless -- until said provision has been replaced.

MM

On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Essex Wildlife has has a visitors centre on the banks of Hanningfield
Reservoir
http://www.essexwt.org.uk/reserves/h...ield-reservoir
A few years ago when I visited it they claimed to have a working reed
bed system. I did wonder at the time if it was failing to work or they
got a deluge of rain water where the untreated sewage would end up.







mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:20:13 +0000, wrote:

On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

Daughters -- and a bill to replace a sewage treatment plant because
people WILL insist on flushing tampons, wet wipes, cooking fat, and
other prohibited materials. We're are not even allowed to pour milk
down the sink, as it apparently upsets the bacterial balance in the
tanks. And raw bleach is an absolute no-no.

Perhaps parents with daughters and a PSTP should start docking their
pocket money now, to pay for the repairs later.

MM

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

tim

On 21/11/17 13:20, wrote:
On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman

Or a biodisc sewage plant

I put EVERYTHING into mine and it took it all, and kept of digesting.

The only thing thaqt fixed it was a toad making a winter nest in the
outflow pipe, which flooded it and wrecked the motor


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hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 21 Nov 2017 16:29:06 GMT, Huge wrote:

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

Not nearly enough.

MM

On 21-Nov-17 10:39 AM, MM wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:32:25 +0000, Nightjar
wrote:

On 19-Nov-17 7:36 PM, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:14:02 GMT, Iggy
m wrote:
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The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in.

Yes, well, I kind of guessed that already!...

Depending upon the site available and the drain layout, it might be
possible to install the new unit first, divert the drains into it, then
worry about the old one. That would minimise disruption and you might
find that the old unit doesn't need to be removed, although it would
probably need to be filled in for safety.

Good idea, but what seems sensible to you or me, it doesn't
necessarily follow that the council, health & safety, the Environment
Agency, or other bodies would see it the same way. You must know that
councils up and down the land tear buildings down if they haven't
received the proper planning permission. I don't know whether such
bodies have become more flexible in recent years as I, thank God, have
never had to deal with them. But, let's face it, such bodies do
attract a certain number of pettifogging officials who relish the
chance to be bloody-minded.

From a practical POV the land area available should provide plenty of
space for your suggestion (new unit, then fill in old hole). The land
area outwith the PSTP is currently grassed over.

On the odd occasion when I have had dealings with the Environment
Agency, their inspectors have been fairly flexible about solutions,
provided that the solution suggested achieves the final result they want.


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Colin Bignell

On 21/11/17 17:19, Nightjar wrote:
On the odd occasion when I have had dealings with the Environment
Agency, their inspectors have been fairly flexible about solutions,
provided that the solution suggested achieves the final result they want.

+1


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On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman


Or a septic tank.....
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On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote:


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On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

and very probably, now illegal

tim

In message , tim...
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

and very probably, now illegal

There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term
expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold?

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Tim Lamb