It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM

MM wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Based on no experience of these systems at all, this one seems to cater
for 30-600 population, which might be oversize for 40 houses

http://www.ukseptictanks.co.uk/sewage-treatment-plants/condersaf50

£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

MM wrote:

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Based on no experience of these systems at all, this one seems to cater
for 30-600 population, which might be oversize for 40 houses

http://www.ukseptictanks.co.uk/sewage-treatment-plants/condersaf50

£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

The prices on that website are considerably less than the "rough
quote" obtained by the residents' management committee. However, this
is in the very earliest stages of discovery.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.

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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...

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jim wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


How feasible is going onto mains drainage? maybe get a quote for that
option?

On 19/11/2017 12:34, jim wrote:


There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...



No **** Sherlock...

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On 19/11/17 12:34, jim wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message:
On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

It may be worth getting separate quotes for the two stages of the work.


and enjoy the resultant finger pointing blame game when things
don't go well....

There's also the management of the interim period to consider. 40
households' sewerage for 6?months will be non trivial...


Ok it was just one house, but mine was installed in less than 4 hours.

We had dug a hole for it the previous day.


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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:30:52 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

£91,000? Did I read that right?

Seems rather a lot.

MM

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:22:37 +0000, MM wrote:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:30:52 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 19/11/2017 11:55, MM wrote:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:25:40 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:



£11K plus whatever earthworks, plumbing and wiring are required.

Thanks a lot for the link. Just as an indicator, the quote was in the
region of £100,000. It was stated that the work HAS to be done by a
company approved by the environment agency.

MM



11k for the construction of the new facility, 91k for the disposal of
all the old facility and associated polluted ground?

£91,000? Did I read that right?

Seems rather a lot.

No, he's just trying to extrapolate the breakdown from your figures.
Apart from anything else he hasn't allowed for the installation of the
£11k plant.

replying to MM, Iggy wrote:
Why not ask the people who are going to do it? And how could you possibly
complain about or try to negogiate a price here? The old has to be removed as
well as possibly a mountain of contamination, then new fill goes in and then
and only then does the new plant go in. It's more than a lot of work and you
still have permit and inspection costs atop materials and labor. Even 300,000
or less than 10,000 per dwelling would sound absolutely credible.

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Tim+ Wrote in message:
MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

Tim

I'd guess they're poisoned with bleaches, shower gels, detergents
& tammys...
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On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:14:38 +0000 (GMT), Tim+
wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

One company's website I looked at used to sell reed bed systems, but a
red warning notice near the foot of the page stated that they have
discontinued them after one customer almost died, presumably from
infection of some sort.

MM

Tim+ wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:14:38 +0000 (GMT), Tim+
wrote:

MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

One company's website I looked at used to sell reed bed systems, but a
red warning notice near the foot of the page stated that they have
discontinued them after one customer almost died, presumably from
infection of some sort.

I think it was a build up of deadly hydrogen sulphide. Was working
in the bed and disturbed the mud and got gassed to
death.

Tim

Maybe someone fly-tipped some plasterboard in it. (I am aware of other
sources of sulphur however, before anyone tells me.)

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Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.
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"Tim+" wrote in message
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MM Wrote in message:
It was discovered last week that the private sewage treatment plant
servicing 40 dwellings has collapsed, needing complete replacement. At
an emergency meeting this came as a great shock to most residents.

Does anyone have any idea what such a plant would cost to install in
2017/18?

Thanks.

MM


Can't help but today I ran past two sewage treatment systems. One
old fashioned ugly filter bed system with the rotating sprinkler
arms and the other was a modern "green" reed bed system, biggest
one I've seen.

Couldn't smell anything from the old system, the reed beds stank.

Tim
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On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Essex Wildlife has has a visitors centre on the banks of Hanningfield
Reservoir
http://www.essexwt.org.uk/reserves/h...ield-reservoir
A few years ago when I visited it they claimed to have a working reed
bed system. I did wonder at the time if it was failing to work or they
got a deluge of rain water where the untreated sewage would end up.







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On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:20:13 +0000, wrote:

On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

Daughters -- and a bill to replace a sewage treatment plant because
people WILL insist on flushing tampons, wet wipes, cooking fat, and
other prohibited materials. We're are not even allowed to pour milk
down the sink, as it apparently upsets the bacterial balance in the
tanks. And raw bleach is an absolute no-no.

Perhaps parents with daughters and a PSTP should start docking their
pocket money now, to pay for the repairs later.

MM

On 21/11/17 13:20, wrote:
On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman

Or a biodisc sewage plant

I put EVERYTHING into mine and it took it all, and kept of digesting.

The only thing thaqt fixed it was a toad making a winter nest in the
outflow pipe, which flooded it and wrecked the motor


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Wrote in message:
On 21 Nov 2017 11:30:26 GMT, Huge wrote:



ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

There speaks a Man who never had daughters.

G.Harman


Or a septic tank.....
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"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

tim

On 21 Nov 2017 16:29:06 GMT, Huge wrote:

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

Not nearly enough.

MM

On 21 Nov 2017 17:43:56 GMT, Huge wrote:

On 2017-11-21, MM wrote:
On 21 Nov 2017 16:29:06 GMT, Huge wrote:

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

Not nearly enough.

Get an adult to explain to you what "a good start" means, would you?

We've had all these warm words before. For too many years residents
have moaned about the increase in the annual service charge, which has
only gone up by 10% in ten years. We should have been paying much
more. The new chairman calculated that if every resident had paid just
£13.91 a month since the inception of the estate, the sinking fund
would now contain the £100,000 needed to replace the PSTP.

The "good start" was always just pie-in-the-sky.

MM

"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

and very probably, now illegal

tim

In message , tim...
writes


"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-21, tim... wrote:


"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-11-21, alan_m wrote:
On 20/11/2017 08:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes indeed, modern does not mean better and I bet nobody actually
thought
about the pong factor they were looking at the bottom line.

A reed bed system is not exactly more modern just an adopted trendy
green system which is probably OK for a dwelling where in the old days
the majority of waste 'water' was as a result of the owner carrying
water into the house in a bucket from a well or nearby stream. Add an
ample supply of mains water and a ton of chemicals to sanitise the loo,
to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell nice in the
bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water from DIY
brush cleaning etc. and perhaps the green solution no longer works.

Except when it does. And you shouldn't be putting "a ton of chemicals to
sanitise the loo, to degrease cooking and table ware, to make you smell
nice in the bath/shower or the odd gallon or two of contaminated water
from DIY brush cleaning" into any private treatment system.

try telling that to a succession of "tenants"

Ahh, yes. You need to give them skin in the game. A £1K PSTP deposit would
be a good start.

and very probably, now illegal

There should have been a *sinking* fund set up to cater for long term
expenses. Often found in flats. Commonhold?

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