(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:28:28 +0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I once flew from Aberdeen to Orkney for Jo Grimond's funeral!

The plane was a turboprop.

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On 15-Nov-17 11:28 AM, Bob Minchin wrote:
Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I would expect those to be twin engine turboprops, rather than four
engine. With RAF Lossiemouth in the area, military transport aircraft is
one possibility, although none are permanently based there.

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Colin Bignell

Graeme wrote:


(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Any thoughts?

You might be able to see it here

https://www.flightradar24.com/57.17,-2.09/10

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

On 15/11/2017 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
If you get any military aircraft in the area I would suspect an A400M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M_Atlas

fairly recent acquisition for the RAF and makes a very distinctive (and
quite loud) noise.

--
Chris B (News)

Was the sound like turbo prop or normal piston engines?
There are a lot of the prop planes built in Canada around these days on
some routes to the smaller airports. Some are two and some four engine and
normally short take off and landing designs.
Brian

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"Graeme" wrote in message
...

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four engine
prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards the
west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but nowhere
there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

On 15/11/2017 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

My guess would be a brace of Hercules. Surprisingly quiet for their size.

In message , Chris J Dixon
writes

You might be able to see it here

https://www.flightradar24.com/57.17,-2.09/10

Excellent idea, but I cannot see anything like those I thought I saw in
the time frame, which is fairly accurate as it was while my wife was
out, which was 10.30 to 11.20 yesterday morning.

I'm no expert on planes (i.e. fairly clueless), but 4 engines which I
thought were traditional not turbo, and I would say the wings came out
of the fuselage like a Lancaster, not sitting on top like a Hercules, if
that makes sense.

I wish I had posted just after seeing these planes. 24+ hours later,
and some Googling, I would say twin tail - like a B-25 Mitchell, but 4
engines.
--
Graeme

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 11:14:15 UTC, Graeme wrote:
(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules
OR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhe...Super_Hercules

On 15/11/17 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

Military transports? Lockheed Hercules probably.


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kind word alone.

Al Capone

"Bob Minchin" wrote in message
news
Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and out
of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

There arent too many FOUR ENGINED ones of those used
much anymore. Cant thing of a single one used for that much
anymore. And two together makes that even less likely.

There are some military ones still in use tho, most obviously with the C-130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules
and the P-3 Orion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-3_Orion

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:28:28 +0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I once flew from Aberdeen to Orkney for Jo Grimond's funeral!

The plane was a turboprop.

Sure, but not a FOUR ENGINED one. Most likely yours was a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...e_Jetstream_41

Brian Gaff wrote

Was the sound like turbo prop or normal piston engines?

There are a lot of the prop planes built in Canada around these days on
some routes to the smaller airports. Some are two and some four engine

Have fun listing even a single example of a 4
engined one used like that for civilian traffic.

and normally short take off and landing designs.

Sure, but not FOUR ENGINED.

"Graeme" wrote in message
...

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four engine
prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards the
west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 15:48:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 15/11/17 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.*

Any thoughts?

Military transports? Lockheed Hercules probably.

Or a couple of Tupolev Tu-95 got through and there has been a news
blackout due to red faces.

G.Harman

In message , Tim+
writes

We see a fair few of these near Prestwick, particularly when
international tensions are high.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

You generally WON'T see them on flightradar24.

Yes, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that what I saw was a pair of
Hercules transports. Nothing else seems to make sense.
--
Graeme

On 15/11/2017 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank towards
the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes we
normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

My nephew is an airline pilot. He says if it was a four engined turbo
prop it would be military.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright
writes

My nephew is an airline pilot. He says if it was a four engined turbo
prop it would be military.

Thanks Bill. That certainly makes sense. We are about 45 miles from
the nearest airport (Aberdeen), but very rarely see commercial flights.
On the occasions they do fly this way, they are much higher, and almost
silent, whereas the two yesterday were relatively low, and audible.

--
Graeme

"Graeme" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim+
writes

We see a fair few of these near Prestwick, particularly when
international tensions are high.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

You generally WON'T see them on flightradar24.

Yes, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that what I saw was a pair of
Hercules transports. Nothing else seems to make sense.

Do you remember what they sounded like ? Plenty on youtube,
they do sound quite distinctive, presumably due to the prop design.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:52:53 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:28:28 +0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I once flew from Aberdeen to Orkney for Jo Grimond's funeral!

The plane was a turboprop.

Russians use Antonov An-30B turboprops to overfly on military inspections
under the the international Treaty on Open Skies.

"Martin Barclay" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:52:53 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:28:28 +0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire) Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west. A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings. Unusual, though. The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or training
flights. Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I once flew from Aberdeen to Orkney for Jo Grimond's funeral!

The plane was a turboprop.

Russians use Antonov An-30B turboprops to overfly on military inspections
under the the international Treaty on Open Skies.

Doesn't have 4 engines. Its much more likely to have been a couple of Hercs.

On 16/11/2017 00:00, Rod Speed wrote:


"Martin Barclay" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:52:53 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:28:28 +0000, Bob Minchin wrote:

Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or
training
flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to Balmoral, but
nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?
No unusual to have prop planes for short haul. We get quite few in and
out of our local airport. Maybe a service to Scottish Islands?

I once flew from Aberdeen to Orkney for Jo Grimond's funeral!

The plane was a turboprop.

Russians useÂ* Antonov An-30B turboprops to overfly on military
inspections
under the the international Treaty on Open Skies.

Doesn't have 4 engines. Its much more likely to have been a couple of
Hercs.

Was my thought too.

On 15/11/2017 22:27, Graeme wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes

My nephew is an airline pilot. He says if it was a four engined turbo
prop it would be military.

Thanks Bill.Â* That certainly makes sense.Â* We are about 45 miles from
the nearest airport (Aberdeen), but very rarely see commercial flights.
On the occasions they do fly this way, they are much higher, and almost
silent, whereas the two yesterday were relatively low, and audible.

Here in South Yorkshire overlooking the M18 we often see flying machines
of various types following the motorway. We also see planes from
Doncaster Airport ('Robin Hood') and mysterious ones like the one you
saw; low flying prop driven things and others. I stand on the hill and
look at flightradar24 and I can track planes that are an incredible
distance away: right across on the west coast.

We had a curious incident a year ago. A light plane flew low across the
field. As it happened I was heading that way with the dogs. In the field
the dogs were pleased to find three red apples, widely spaced. They had
labels identifying the grower in Italy and as far as I could discover
that grower does not export to the UK.

Bill

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:55:14 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:


We had a curious incident a year ago. A light plane flew low across the
field. As it happened I was heading that way with the dogs. In the field
the dogs were pleased to find three red apples, widely spaced. They had
labels identifying the grower in Italy and as far as I could discover
that grower does not export to the UK.

French I could understand, they would be trying to develop a bouncing
Pomme.

G.Harman

On 15/11/17 22:16, Bill Wright wrote:
On 15/11/2017 10:53, Graeme wrote:

(Aberdeenshire)Â* Quietly standing in the garden yesterday, hanging out
washing, when I heard an unusual noise and, looking up, saw a four
engine prop plane fly over the village from the north, then bank
towards the west.Â* A few moments later, a second one did the same.

Was not wearing my specs, so could not say what type of aircraft they
were, or even details of markings.Â* Unusual, though.Â* The only planes
we normally see are occasional RAF fighter jets on practice or
training flights.Â* Quite often see helicopters flying west to
Balmoral, but nowhere there to land a plane.

Any thoughts?

My nephew is an airline pilot. He says if it was a four engined turbo
prop it would be military.

Bill

Propellors make for excellent low down thrust: They are far better at
short take off and landing stuff. And a lot of military planes need to
get in and out of small airfields with steep glide paths and climbouts
to avoid SAMS.

The are still a few dash 7s in commercial operation around the world too.




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In article ,
Graeme wrote:

In message , Tim+
writes

We see a fair few of these near Prestwick, particularly when
international tensions are high.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

You generally WON'T see them on flightradar24.

Yes, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that what I saw was a pair of
Hercules transports. Nothing else seems to make sense.

FWIW that was my first thought: we see them around here (Tyne Valley)
fairly often, flaying low, on their way to and from the ranges further
North. They almost always fly in a pair.

At certain angles, the under-wing fuel tanks on some variants make them
look like they have six engines.

J.