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On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 16:16:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 05/11/17 15:14, Iggy wrote: replying to The Natural Philosopher, Iggy wrote: Oh look, a Iggy Dont be a ******, theres a good chap. You ******* I've got an earworm now. Iggy don't be a ****** to the tune of Paper Laces Don't be Hero. G.Harman |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:14:02 GMT, Iggy wrote:
don't even know what a pan or log burner is and likely think cigarettes ignite petrol. IIRC a pan burner is full of sand, it is not an open pan with a pool of petrol in it. My direct experience is of using about a tablespoon of petrol as an accelerant on a small camp fire. The lit match was a few inches away when the vapours went WHUMPFF and the entire fire lifted a couple of inches and fell back, the fire ball got my fringe and only half the length of my eye brows. I won#t be doing that again. Well I might but from some what further away and as a demostration to the kids of the very different behaviour of petrol, parafin and diesel. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:31:10 +0000, ARW wrote:
Agreed, what do we pay Council Tax for? Cutting down good trees if you live in Sheffield. Link? No.1 Daughter is at Sheffield Uni and some what of a political activist. Apparently was on (front row of the fancy dress marchers) the recent demo about Orgreave. Orgreave is in Rotherham. snip The trees are in Sheffield and there is a court injunction against everyone in the world from stopping them cutting them down. There was also a rally/demostration in Sheffield on the 31st Oct to mark 12 months since the Government said no enquiry into the events at Orgreave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-40936522 Ta, the use of the words "persons unknown" in the injunction is deeply worrying. That could keep the lawyers in gravy for years, should some one appear to be breaking the injunction but is wearing a badge with their name/address on they can't be "persons unknown"... And reading between the lines it looks like the Council agreed a contract somewhere with excessive penalty clauses if the "Streets Ahead" work overruns. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 17:05:39 +0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:14:02 GMT, Iggy wrote: don't even know what a pan or log burner is and likely think cigarettes ignite petrol. IIRC a pan burner is full of sand, it is not an open pan with a pool of petrol in it. My direct experience is of using about a tablespoon of petrol as an accelerant on a small camp fire. The lit match was a few inches away when the vapours went WHUMPFF and the entire fire lifted a couple of inches and fell back, the fire ball got my fringe and only half the length of my eye brows. Just Google for Uncle Rob videos. Find out how to *really* do it. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 12:44:05 AM UTC, Iggy wrote:
replying to David, Iggy wrote: I'd vote for burning it. Pour it into a very wide pan like a pizza pan or make one out of aluminum foil and light it...a wide open pan means you aren't restricting the flames or fumes, so no explosion or hazard. Have you actually tried this? My experience is that if you do something like that you create a cloud of evaporated petrol in the air as you pour and when you strike the match there is an enormous boomph! Maybe it depends on how hot and still the air is as you pour. It is not a constrained explosion but it is, nevertheless, rather like what those MOAB bombs do isn't it? Robert |
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"Steve Walker" wrote in message news On 05/11/2017 07:36, wrote: On Sunday, 5 November 2017 00:44:05 UTC, Iggy wrote: replying to David, Iggy wrote: I'd vote for burning it. Pour it into a very wide pan like a pizza pan or make one out of aluminum foil and light it...a wide open pan means you aren't restricting the flames or fumes, so no explosion or hazard. Then, you want to keep the can open to let it fully air-out and evaporate. If you'd like, afterward you can fill it with water and dishwashing liquid to remove the rest of the can's flammability. Yep, we have a darwin award nominee Yup, I wouldn't like to try that one at all! On the other hand, I have heard of the armed forces using a tin can, with holes punched in for air and filled with sand to burn petrol for cooking or making a brew. Yep, my dad used to do it that way in the middle east in WW2. |
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replying to rmlaws54, Iggy wrote:
Yep, at least a half dozen times, from a few mm's to a tennis ball deep. I've put the pan on the ground, a patio, logs, bricks and cinder blocks. I've done it by throwing a match, a lit cloth, a lit napkin, a lit ball of newspaper, and even a Bic lighter held below the pan's edge. No big deal at all and just a momentary WOOF as the pool caught. This place is just full of babies and fools. I've even smoked while filling my car and mower cans, just to amaze the sea of idiots known as society. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1247289-.htm |
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On 06/11/17 22:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Rob Morley wrote: On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 11:28:30 -0800 (PST) wrote: On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 12:44:05 AM UTC, Iggy wrote: replying to David, Iggy wrote: I'd vote for burning it. Pour it into a very wide pan like a pizza pan or make one out of aluminum foil and light it...a wide open pan means you aren't restricting the flames or fumes, so no explosion or hazard. Have you actually tried this? My experience is that if you do something like that you create a cloud of evaporated petrol in the air as you pour and when you strike the match there is an enormous boomph! Petrol vapour is a bit heavier than air, so it will run downhill and collect in hollows. If you just pour a litre of old petrol into a saucepan and light it seconds later then not much vapour will get out and it won't travel far. If it's a warm day the vapour will form faster, if it's a still day the vapour will collect more. Pour petrol onto an unlit bonfire and you provide it with a massive wick so there's a lot more vapour and nothing to constrain it. I'd still use a rag on a broomstick to light the saucepan, just in case, although "stale" petrol will have lost some of the lighter fractions through evaporation so will be less volatile anyway. I'd endorse the broomstick recommendation. Arms' length is Not Enough. From experience. neither is a broomstick. I was 10 feet away crouching down striking a match.... -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On 07/11/17 03:44, Iggy wrote:
replying to rmlaws54, Iggy wrote: Yep, at least a half dozen times, from a few mm's to a tennis ball deep. I've put the pan on the ground, a patio, logs, bricks and cinder blocks. I've done it by throwing a match, a lit cloth, a lit napkin, a lit ball of newspaper, and even a Bic lighter held below the pan's edge. No big deal at all and just a momentary WOOF as the pool caught. This place is just full of babies and fools. I've even smoked while filling my car and mower cans, just to amaze the sea of idiots known as society. Liar. *plonk* -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 05:32:46 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/11/17 03:44, Iggy wrote: replying to rmlaws54, Iggy wrote: Yep, at least a half dozen times, from a few mm's to a tennis ball deep. I've put the pan on the ground, a patio, logs, bricks and cinder blocks. I've done it by throwing a match, a lit cloth, a lit napkin, a lit ball of newspaper, and even a Bic lighter held below the pan's edge. No big deal at all and just a momentary WOOF as the pool caught. This place is just full of babies and fools. I've even smoked while filling my car and mower cans, just to amaze the sea of idiots known as society. Liar. *plonk* I wonder if there's any chance if with a suitable wind he might have got away with it. I guess youtube could answer that. The answer might not be pleasant though. NT |
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replying to Tim Streater, Iggy wrote:
I'll save both of us the trouble, know nothing crybaby. Lighting a bowl of gasoline on fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72519yOTGg -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1247289-.htm |
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replying to The Natural Philosopher, Iggy wrote:
Not that truth and proof matters to a fraud like you, but enjoy. Movie Myth: Cigarettes and Gasoline! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMrj9VFl2cY and if you ever grow balls or a spine LiveLeak Cigarette igniting Gasoline Mythbust Challenge... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RbjLMFBOpY -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1247289-.htm |
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replying to Rob Morley, Iggy wrote:
You might enjoy this Lighting a bowl of gasoline on fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72519yOTGg -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1247289-.htm |
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Tim+ wrote:
You can stub a cigarette our in a dish of petrol without igniting it. All those scenes in films with petrol being ignored are faked. Feck. ...petrol being ignited... Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 07/11/17 12:46, Tim+ wrote:
The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message: On 07/11/17 03:44, Iggy wrote: replying to rmlaws54, Iggy wrote: Yep, at least a half dozen times, from a few mm's to a tennis ball deep. I've put the pan on the ground, a patio, logs, bricks and cinder blocks. I've done it by throwing a match, a lit cloth, a lit napkin, a lit ball of newspaper, and even a Bic lighter held below the pan's edge. No big deal at all and just a momentary WOOF as the pool caught. This place is just full of babies and fools. I've even smoked while filling my car and mower cans, just to amaze the sea of idiots known as society. Liar. *plonk* Mostly liar I suspect, but it is true that a smoldering cigarette won't ignite petrol. You can stub a cigarette our in a dish of petrol without igniting it. All those scenes in films with petrol being ignored are faked. Indeed. a naqked flame will ignite any petrol vapour but a smoldering fag probably wont. Probably. OTOH I have lit paper froma smoldering fag, and paper when lit will ignite petrol Tim -- Of what good are dead warriors? Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead. Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners. |
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On 05/11/2017 17:27, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:31:10 +0000, ARW wrote: Agreed, what do we pay Council Tax for? Cutting down good trees if you live in Sheffield. Link? No.1 Daughter is at Sheffield Uni and some what of a political activist. Apparently was on (front row of the fancy dress marchers) the recent demo about Orgreave. Orgreave is in Rotherham. snip The trees are in Sheffield and there is a court injunction against everyone in the world from stopping them cutting them down. There was also a rally/demostration in Sheffield on the 31st Oct to mark 12 months since the Government said no enquiry into the events at Orgreave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-40936522 Ta, the use of the words "persons unknown" in the injunction is deeply worrying. That could keep the lawyers in gravy for years, should some one appear to be breaking the injunction but is wearing a badge with their name/address on they can't be "persons unknown"... And reading between the lines it looks like the Council agreed a contract somewhere with excessive penalty clauses if the "Streets Ahead" work overruns. The contract is a closely guarded secret. And where is our ex Sheffield councillor that used to post here when you want him? -- Adam |
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On 05/11/2017 16:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/11/17 15:14, Iggy wrote: replying to The Natural Philosopher, Iggy wrote: Oh look, another wazzock liar (got what it deserved) like tabbypurr, Dave Liquorice and Chris B...that lit a match and then put it in his/her teeth to burn a container of petrol and petrol poured on the ground. Prat trolls, don't even know what a pan or log burner is and likely think cigarettes ignite petrol. Iggy Dont be a ******, theres a good chap. :-) -- Adam |
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On 07/11/17 18:42, pamela wrote:
On 13:42 7 Nov 2017, Tim+ wrote: Tim+ wrote: You can stub a cigarette our in a dish of petrol without igniting it. All those scenes in films with petrol being ignored are faked. Feck. ...petrol being ignited.. Tim Are you sure? This post suggests the temp of cigarette is easily sufficient to trigger autoignition in petrol.... http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae1.cfm Some of us have actually done it, pamela. As trhe article says, if there is a lot of vapour, you wont even get to throw the cigarette away. If there isn't, you can toss it into a dish of cold petrol and it will go out -- "Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) " Alan Sokal |
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replying to Tim Streater, Iggy wrote:
Explain what? That "magically" physics, math, astronomy and engineering by computer are wrong? LAUGHABLE! ALL OF THOSE have been beaten to a pulp by reality (including mine) for thousands of years! I'll trump stupid physics (the only kind there is) with 1 final PROOF, then you all can go sit on your thumbs again. ...the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms research laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland...In more than 2,000 attempts the petrol did not ignite. See - Petrol lit with a cigarette? Only in the movies https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/27/smoking.film = you're stuffed. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy...r-1247289-.htm |
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On 07/11/2017 22:44, Iggy wrote:
replying to Tim Streater, Iggy wrote: Explain what? That "magically" physics, math, astronomy and engineering by computer are wrong? LAUGHABLE! ALL OF THOSE have been beaten to a pulp by reality (including mine) for thousands of years! I'll trump stupid physics (the only kind there is) with 1 final PROOF, then you all can go sit on your thumbs again. ..the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms research laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland...In more than 2,000 attempts the petrol did not ignite. See - Petrol lit with a cigarette? Only in the movies https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/feb/27/smoking.film = you're stuffed. I once had the fuel tank fall off my car and it was dragged along by the fuel line so was leaking. When i got back from the phone box to call the AA someone had chucked three fag ends in the pool of petrol, nothing happened. |
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2017 12:44:03 GMT
Iggy m wrote: replying to Tim Streater, Iggy wrote: I'll save both of us the trouble, know nothing crybaby. Lighting a bowl of gasoline on fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72519yOTGg This is quite amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNjOaAIz_ZY |
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On Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:09:41 +0000, David wrote:
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:42:52 +0000, David wrote: As part of the ongoing clear up I have a small amount of petrol in a green can. It is old (probably from when we had a petrol lawnmower). I've just looked up the details of how to dispose of it and it seems to be classes as a "hazardous waste" which is not handled by the local recycling centre. "Hazardous waste collection A special hazardous waste collection can be arranged for items including paints, oils, weed/pest killers and other hazardous household waste. There is a minimum charge of £45.60 for this service. Collection, treatment and disposal costs of hazardous waste are expensive for the council (approx. £80 per collection). For this reason, residents are urged to follow the advice as set out in these pages and to use this service only when absolutely necessary." O.K. I have always thought that it is crazy to charge a high price for disposal of asbestos because that just encourages people to dump it. To effectively charge £45.60 to dispose of a litre of old petrol or a spray bottle of weed killer will just mean that the waste product is dumped. Nobody is going to detect a bit of Roundup (for example) flushed down the sewers. Petrol might be a bit of a give away by the smell. My current thought is to (very carefully) mix the petrol with sawdust and light it from a safe distance in the garden log burner thingie (mmmm....flames!!). Or just mix it with a bit of cat litter then let it evaporate into the atmosphere then chuck the dry remains. Much as you are advised to do with paint. My general complaint is that making it almost impossible to dispose of fairly common household or garden waste does little if anything to protect the environment. Quite the contrary. Darned if I haven't just found another one. This time in a red plastic 5 litre can so presumably dating back to the time of leaded petrol (I am assuming that is when they started flogging green cans for unleaded). A lot of name calling and rattles out of prams on some parts of this discussion. One thing nobody has so far mentioned; external temperature. I imagine that the results of combustion experiments could be vastly different in mid-summer and mid-winter. A lot might also depend on the strength of any breeze/wind and the direction. A qualifier of "upwind on a cold day with a medium breeze" could radically change the chance of an adverse result. Of course a real DIY solution would be to create an igniter from a spark gap and about 20 foot of cable with a 12V car battery. Or a spark gap and a 240V extension lead if you are feeling more adventurous. :-) Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 10 Nov 2017 09:44:38 GMT, David wrote:
Of course a real DIY solution would be to create an igniter from a spark gap and about 20 foot of cable with a 12V car battery. We used a spare magneto from Dads Fordson tractor , very effective. The spark gap was a spare C5 spark plug intended for the same tractor. After the test firings of a drop of petrol worked successfully we drilled a hole near the bottom of an old milk churn and found a nut in one of Dads tins that fitted the spark plug and with a washer or two fixed it place. A happy afternoon ensued playing flying saucers by putting a spoonful of petrol or two in the churn whacking down the lid rolling the churn around and then from behind the 6" block wall of an unfinished cow shed giving the magneto a crank. The lid flew a fair distance accompanied by a satisfying whumpphh sound and a fireball from the churn itself that did nothing to endear ourselves to the postman when we fired it from the other side of a hedge where he parked up. Dad was furious but only because we used a lot petrol from his can intended for the Mower and Chainsaw. G.Harman |
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On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 6:01:04 PM UTC, ARW wrote:
On 05/11/2017 17:27, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:31:10 +0000, ARW wrote: Agreed, what do we pay Council Tax for? Cutting down good trees if you live in Sheffield. Link? No.1 Daughter is at Sheffield Uni and some what of a political activist. Apparently was on (front row of the fancy dress marchers) the recent demo about Orgreave. Orgreave is in Rotherham. snip The trees are in Sheffield and there is a court injunction against everyone in the world from stopping them cutting them down. There was also a rally/demostration in Sheffield on the 31st Oct to mark 12 months since the Government said no enquiry into the events at Orgreave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-40936522 Ta, the use of the words "persons unknown" in the injunction is deeply worrying. That could keep the lawyers in gravy for years, should some one appear to be breaking the injunction but is wearing a badge with their name/address on they can't be "persons unknown"... And reading between the lines it looks like the Council agreed a contract somewhere with excessive penalty clauses if the "Streets Ahead" work overruns. The contract is a closely guarded secret. And where is our ex Sheffield councillor that used to post here when you want him? -- Adam and what happened the man with brillo pad hair ? |
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On 10 Nov 2017 09:44:38 GMT, David wrote: Of course a real DIY solution would be to create an igniter from a spark gap and about 20 foot of cable with a 12V car battery. We used a spare magneto from Dads Fordson tractor , very effective. The spark gap was a spare C5 spark plug intended for the same tractor. After the test firings of a drop of petrol worked successfully we drilled a hole near the bottom of an old milk churn and found a nut in one of Dads tins that fitted the spark plug and with a washer or two fixed it place. A happy afternoon ensued playing flying saucers by putting a spoonful of petrol or two in the churn whacking down the lid rolling the churn around and then from behind the 6" block wall of an unfinished cow shed giving the magneto a crank. The lid flew a fair distance accompanied by a satisfying whumpphh sound and a fireball from the churn itself that did nothing to endear ourselves to the postman when we fired it from the other side of a hedge where he parked up. Dad was furious but only because we used a lot petrol from his can intended for the Mower and Chainsaw. G.Harman Reminds me of this episode from The secret lives of machines by Tim Hunkin. https://youtu.be/iS_2JD5whRY Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 13:47:28 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote: wrote: On 10 Nov 2017 09:44:38 GMT, David wrote: Of course a real DIY solution would be to create an igniter from a spark gap and about 20 foot of cable with a 12V car battery. We used a spare magneto from Dads Fordson tractor , very effective. The spark gap was a spare C5 spark plug intended for the same tractor. Reminds me of this episode from The secret lives of machines by Tim Hunkin. https://youtu.be/iS_2JD5whRY Interesting , about 20 years later than us looking up the production date of that series. We did build a mortar or two out various bits of drain pipe but the propellant we used was hair spray, had to steal stuff from both parents to avoid favouritism. G.Harman |
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 13:47:28 -0000 (UTC), Tim+ wrote: Reminds me of this episode from The secret lives of machines by Tim Hunkin. https://youtu.be/iS_2JD5whRY Interesting , about 20 years later than us looking up the production date of that series. We did build a mortar or two out various bits of drain pipe but the propellant we used was hair spray, had to steal stuff from both parents to avoid favouritism. G.Harman Your dad used hair spray? Probably quite unusual 20 years ago. ;-) Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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