On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:30:43 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Tjoepstil wrote:
you are simply saying that you are too t i m id to rise to a challenge,
and want to stay in the EU kindergarten with mutti Merkel telling you
how it is.

Always hold on tight to Nurse
For fear of something even worse.

When I became a man, I put away childish things.

Now explain just how *you* are going to rise to the challenge.

What you really mean is you expect others to do it for you. Rather like an
old man being in favour of war.


What I find funny (because you can't take any of it / them seriously)
is they (some of the hard core Brexiteers) really don't seem to be
able to see past their 'cause'. As soon as someone asks them to
explain their justification they rarely come up with anything that is
much more than re-stating that it's just that, some abstract (as seen
by the vast majority) cause and often just based upon their personal
opinion / prediction, not general consensus / issue or even fact.

The pity with all this is the (obvious) gullibility of 'most people'
to believe the propaganda (from both sides) and then actually go out
on vote on it. For some, no propaganda was needed as they already had
their own 'cause' (typically 'immigration') and then were pushed
others by the media (un-elected bureaucrats, 350M / week).

I 'noticed' all the propaganda, the media, what others were saying and
realising *no one* really knew what was going on and with the lack of
any substantial fact (that wasn't just a minor cause) or control (it's
not all down to us) couldn't decide one way or another, so couldn't
vote on it. Outside of just feeling obliged to vote one way or another
(as I believe many did), 13 MILLION people (nearly as many who voted
either way) didn't even vote, possibly because they couldn't either.

I think the reason the turnout was as high as it was (~73%) was
because it was like a football match, with just two teams. Even with
all the furore of the Brexit poll, the general election only saw a 69%
turnout and I believe that was because there were more teams to pick
from. [1]

The bottom line ... IF leaving the EU was such a 'good thing' for
'most people' in the UK, if it was shown clearly and simply that it
was a no-brainer, we would be all for it and it might have been a done
deal by now (technically if not physically).

Cheers, T i m

[1] That should never have been the case in the first place. It should
have been:

"Of the 47M electorate, who wants to leave the EU?"

counts hands "Ah, only 17M. You have democratically voted not to
leave."

In article ,
T i m wrote:
In article ,
Tjoepstil wrote:
you are simply saying that you are too t i m id to rise to a challenge,
and want to stay in the EU kindergarten with mutti Merkel telling you
how it is.

Always hold on tight to Nurse
For fear of something even worse.

When I became a man, I put away childish things.

Now explain just how *you* are going to rise to the challenge.

What you really mean is you expect others to do it for you. Rather like
an old man being in favour of war.


What I find funny (because you can't take any of it / them seriously) is
they (some of the hard core Brexiteers) really don't seem to be able to
see past their 'cause'. As soon as someone asks them to explain their
justification they rarely come up with anything that is much more than
re-stating that it's just that, some abstract (as seen by the vast
majority) cause and often just based upon their personal opinion /
prediction, not general consensus / issue or even fact.

And their view I've heard so often that the rest of the world is queueing
up to do good trade deals with the UK. When all the evidence so far is the
exact opposite. The US being of course frequently mentioned - now with a
chap in charge determined to put the US first - and to be seen to do so
for his own reasons. Which means he wants the very best possible terms for
the US. Meaning any negotiations likely to be very prolonged - unless we
are prepared to just take any scraps we are thrown from the master's table.

This to me is the whole problem with the theoretical Brexiteers we have so
many of on here. Who basically couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery.
They seem to think all they had to do is say something to make it happen.

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On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:56:20 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2017-11-01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

Blame whoever created the graph (I was looking at and who labelled it
with small figures. However, that doesn't change my point that, in the
grand scheme of things, what we pay to the EU isn't really a big part of
government spending. Indeed, taking the actual cost, after the rebate
and what we get back, it comes to less than 0.5% of GDP and even the
most optimistic of the believable predictions suggest that our GDP will
drop by more than that as a result of Brexit.

Leaving the EU isn't about that.

No-one knows what it's about. Other than leaving.

Everyone knows what it's about *for* *them*.

.... which is a delusion.

On 03/11/17 16:42, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:56:20 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2017-11-01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

Blame whoever created the graph (I was looking at and who labelled it
with small figures. However, that doesn't change my point that, in the
grand scheme of things, what we pay to the EU isn't really a big part of
government spending. Indeed, taking the actual cost, after the rebate
and what we get back, it comes to less than 0.5% of GDP and even the
most optimistic of the believable predictions suggest that our GDP will
drop by more than that as a result of Brexit.

Leaving the EU isn't about that.

No-one knows what it's about. Other than leaving.

Everyone knows what it's about *for* *them*.

... which is a delusion.

In the case of remoaners,yes.

On 03/11/2017 00:05, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:06:28 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 02/11/17 12:04, T i m wrote:
Or it's based on some*perceived* issue that whilst might be an issue,
or an issue to some, isn't a real issue to the vast majority and
dealing with that could be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

the best description of a remoaner ever written.

What baby? What bathwater. Do tell, T i m , I'm keen to know.

I'm sure you are ... we all are.

Maybe if / when they publish the results of the 58 independent studies
into what impact leaving the EU might have on us, you will find out
along with the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the
baby out with the bathwater'.

Cheers, T i m

But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.

SteveW

On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 00:51:10 +0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 03/11/2017 00:05, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:06:28 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 02/11/17 12:04, T i m wrote:
Or it's based on some*perceived* issue that whilst might be an
issue,
or an issue to some, isn't a real issue to the vast majority and
dealing with that could be throwing the baby out with the bath
water.

the best description of a remoaner ever written.

What baby? What bathwater. Do tell, T i m , I'm keen to know.

I'm sure you are ... we all are.

Maybe if / when they publish the results of the 58 independent studies
into what impact leaving the EU might have on us, you will find out
along with the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nt-refuses-to-
release-details-of-studies-into-economic-impact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the baby
out with the bathwater'.

Cheers, T i m

But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

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"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news
On 03/11/2017 00:05, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:06:28 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 02/11/17 12:04, T i m wrote:
Or it's based on some*perceived* issue that whilst might be an issue,
or an issue to some, isn't a real issue to the vast majority and
dealing with that could be throwing the baby out with the bath water.

the best description of a remoaner ever written.

What baby? What bathwater. Do tell, T i m , I'm keen to know.

I'm sure you are ... we all are.

Maybe if / when they publish the results of the 58 independent studies
into what impact leaving the EU might have on us, you will find out
along with the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the
baby out with the bathwater'.

Cheers, T i m

But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal your
hand to the other players.

D i m wouldn't know that, his wife has to decide what cereal he eats in the
morning.
He can't, it's far too difficult.
He comes in here typing reams of drivel in an attempt to substantiate his
failure to vote.
It takes all sorts.
I'm amazed that he can decide to leave his bed in the morning, or maybe
evening.
Perhaps he needs a pee.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 00:51:10 +0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 03/11/2017 00:05, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:06:28 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 02/11/17 12:04, T i m wrote:
Or it's based on some*perceived* issue that whilst might be an
issue,
or an issue to some, isn't a real issue to the vast majority and
dealing with that could be throwing the baby out with the bath
water.

the best description of a remoaner ever written.

What baby? What bathwater. Do tell, T i m , I'm keen to know.

I'm sure you are ... we all are.

Maybe if / when they publish the results of the 58 independent studies
into what impact leaving the EU might have on us, you will find out
along with the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nt-refuses-to-
release-details-of-studies-into-economic-impact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the baby
out with the bathwater'.

Cheers, T i m

But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need, grow some balls FFS.
How you can possibly be a remoaner after all the ****e coming from the EU is
astonishing.
You must be deaf, dumb, blind and crazy.
I'm sorry but that's how it is.

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 00:51:10 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote:
snip

Maybe if / when they publish the results of the 58 independent studies
into what impact leaving the EU might have on us, you will find out
along with the rest of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the
baby out with the bathwater'.


But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.

Especially when it's weak (as has been the suggestion)?

Cheers, T i m

On 4 Nov 2017 00:59:24 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 00:51:10 +0000, Steve Walker wrote:

snip
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nt-refuses-to-
release-details-of-studies-into-economic-impact-of-brexit

Until that happens, continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the baby
out with the bathwater'.


But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

And that's the thing isn't it. *If* 58 independent results predict
that the outcome of us leaving the EU will be anything other than
positive, wouldn't it be 'democratic' for *us* (in the UK) to know
about it ... and potentially have the 'informed' poll that we should
have had in the first place rather than just the blinkered / deceived
one?


But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Of course they do ... and also (know they) have a much bigger
opportunity to influence the impact on us negatively than we do
positively. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 01:30:26 -0000, "bm" wrote:


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
snip

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need,

Give us some facts that justify any 'positively (other then than blind
optimism).

How you can possibly be a remoaner after all the ****e coming from the EU is
astonishing.

Unfortunately, you would never understand just how wrong your
suppositions are (and therefore how you can't ever achieve any real
world viewpoint).

You must be deaf, dumb, blind and crazy.

Or the irony.

I'm sorry

We know and why most people have you killfiled.

but that's how it is.

And with little hope of you ever seeing anything for how it is, rather
than the fantasy you hold in your head.

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.


The EU don't appear to be 'targeting' negotiations. They seem to be
sticking to what they said they would do when the UK talked about having a
referendum. It must have come as quite a surprise to the 'EU needs us more
than we need them' brigade. Who told us they would roll over and give us
anything we wanted.
Basically, to date, that gamble has failed.

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In article . com,
bm wrote:
That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need, grow some balls FFS.

Yup. The footie or boxing match mentality. So common with Brexiteers.

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On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 09:37:52 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 01:30:26 -0000, "bm" wrote:


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
snip

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need,

Give us some facts that justify any 'positively (other then than blind
optimism).

How you can possibly be a remoaner after all the ****e coming from the
EU is astonishing.

Unfortunately, you would never understand just how wrong your
suppositions are (and therefore how you can't ever achieve any real
world viewpoint).

You must be deaf, dumb, blind and crazy.

Or the irony.

I'm sorry

We know and why most people have you killfiled.

but that's how it is.

And with little hope of you ever seeing anything for how it is, rather
than the fantasy you hold in your head.

I didn't see 'bm''s comments as I have him killfiled.


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On 04/11/17 09:30, T i m wrote:
(know they) have a much bigger
opportunity to influence the impact on us negatively than we do
positively. ;-(

So you think that the EU are collectively about as deluded as you are?

Yep, I'd say that's pretty much par.


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On 04/11/2017 09:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
bm wrote:
That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need, grow some balls FFS.

Yup. The footie or boxing match mentality. So common with Brexiteers.

Judging by some of the threads here, you don't some across as being very
bright. Perhaps a Remoaner thing.

On 04/11/2017 09:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.


The EU don't appear to be 'targeting' negotiations. They seem to be
sticking to what they said they would do when the UK talked about having a
referendum. It must have come as quite a surprise to the 'EU needs us more
than we need them' brigade. Who told us they would roll over and give us
anything we wanted.
Basically, to date, that gamble has failed.

There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 09:37:52 +0000, T i m wrote:

On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 01:30:26 -0000, "bm" wrote:


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
snip

That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need,

Give us some facts that justify any 'positively (other then than blind
optimism).

How you can possibly be a remoaner after all the ****e coming from the
EU is astonishing.

Unfortunately, you would never understand just how wrong your
suppositions are (and therefore how you can't ever achieve any real
world viewpoint).

You must be deaf, dumb, blind and crazy.

Or the irony.

I'm sorry

We know and why most people have you killfiled.

but that's how it is.

And with little hope of you ever seeing anything for how it is, rather
than the fantasy you hold in your head.

I didn't see 'bm''s comments as I have him killfiled.

Oh dear, I'll get the tissues.
Getting a computer to tell you what to read?
Christ on a bike, you are how old?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
bm wrote:
That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need, grow some balls FFS.

Yup. The footie or boxing match mentality. So common with Brexiteers.

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 22:21:57 +0000, Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 03/11/17 16:42, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:56:20 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2017-11-01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

Blame whoever created the graph (I was looking at and who labelled it
with small figures. However, that doesn't change my point that, in the
grand scheme of things, what we pay to the EU isn't really a big part of
government spending. Indeed, taking the actual cost, after the rebate
and what we get back, it comes to less than 0.5% of GDP and even the
most optimistic of the believable predictions suggest that our GDP will
drop by more than that as a result of Brexit.

Leaving the EU isn't about that.

No-one knows what it's about. Other than leaving.

Everyone knows what it's about *for* *them*.

... which is a delusion.

In the case of remoaners,yes.

I suggest you only post when/if you have something useful to say.
*Plonk*

On 04/11/17 11:39, Mark wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 22:21:57 +0000, Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 03/11/17 16:42, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 15:56:20 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2017-11-01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

Blame whoever created the graph (I was looking at and who labelled it
with small figures. However, that doesn't change my point that, in the
grand scheme of things, what we pay to the EU isn't really a big part of
government spending. Indeed, taking the actual cost, after the rebate
and what we get back, it comes to less than 0.5% of GDP and even the
most optimistic of the believable predictions suggest that our GDP will
drop by more than that as a result of Brexit.

Leaving the EU isn't about that.

No-one knows what it's about. Other than leaving.

Everyone knows what it's about *for* *them*.

... which is a delusion.

In the case of remoaners,yes.

I suggest you only post when/if you have something useful to say.
*Plonk*

Another remasoner with his hands over his ears in full denial burying
his head in the sand


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its shoes.

On 04/11/2017 11:36, bm wrote:

Oh dear, I'll get the tissues.
Getting a computer to tell you what to read?
Christ on a bike, you are how old?



I just ignore you most of the time but you may as well be in the kill
file given the cr@p you post.

On 04/11/2017 11:06, Fredxxx wrote:


There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

But we already know that WTO rules will result in tariffs on some of our
exports to the EU that aren't there ATM.
So your definition of fine may not be fine for our exporters.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...
On 04/11/2017 11:36, bm wrote:

Oh dear, I'll get the tissues.
Getting a computer to tell you what to read?
Christ on a bike, you are how old?



I just ignore you most of the time but you may as well be in the kill file
given the cr@p you post.

Cheers Den, have a nice day over there in Bilston.

On 4 Nov 2017 10:30:30 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

We know and why most people have you killfiled.



I didn't see 'bm''s comments as I have him killfiled.

No, quite, you and many.

And that's a shame in one way because I think he's just 'very
confused' and 'mostly harmless' and obviously very passionate
(/fanatical) about his cause, or pretends to be.

The annoying bit (and why many have him killfiled etc) are his
childish rants and comments that in the main have little or no bearing
on the point in question.

Personally I'm still not sure if he is just a troll ... with all his
publishing headlines / clickbait etc?

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
On 04/11/2017 09:44, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article . com,
bm wrote:
That's a good excuse - in theory - and what the Government have been
relying on.

But I'm sure the EU know that already.

Positivity, Bob. That's what you need, grow some balls FFS.

Yup. The footie or boxing match mentality. So common with Brexiteers.

Judging by some of the threads here, you don't some across as being very
bright. Perhaps a Remoaner thing.

So therefore you agree that 'balls' are the only thing needed for
negotiations?

If not, explain what you do mean. Other than just throwing around insults.
Perhaps you think that needs 'balls' too?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
On 04/11/2017 09:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as to
where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to reveal
your hand to the other players.


The EU don't appear to be 'targeting' negotiations. They seem to be
sticking to what they said they would do when the UK talked about having a
referendum. It must have come as quite a surprise to the 'EU needs us more
than we need them' brigade. Who told us they would roll over and give us
anything we wanted.
Basically, to date, that gamble has failed.

There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

Then no need for any country to make a deal with any other then. Nice to
know you understand trade so well.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:23:57 +0000, T i m wrote:

On 4 Nov 2017 10:30:30 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

snip

We know and why most people have you killfiled.



I didn't see 'bm''s comments as I have him killfiled.

No, quite, you and many.

And that's a shame in one way because I think he's just 'very
confused' and 'mostly harmless' and obviously very passionate
(/fanatical) about his cause, or pretends to be.

The annoying bit (and why many have him killfiled etc) are his
childish rants and comments that in the main have little or no bearing
on the point in question.

Not uncommon on this ng, unfortunately.

Personally I'm still not sure if he is just a troll ... with all his
publishing headlines / clickbait etc?

There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest this.

On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:06:31 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:

On 04/11/2017 09:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as
to where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to
reveal your hand to the other players.


The EU don't appear to be 'targeting' negotiations. They seem to be
sticking to what they said they would do when the UK talked about
having a referendum. It must have come as quite a surprise to the 'EU
needs us more than we need them' brigade. Who told us they would roll
over and give us anything we wanted.
Basically, to date, that gamble has failed.

There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

La la la la la ....



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In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:06:31 +0000, Fredxxx wrote:

On 04/11/2017 09:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But publishing these reports could also give ammunition to the EU as
to where to target their negotiations. It is never a good idea to
reveal your hand to the other players.


The EU don't appear to be 'targeting' negotiations. They seem to be
sticking to what they said they would do when the UK talked about
having a referendum. It must have come as quite a surprise to the 'EU
needs us more than we need them' brigade. Who told us they would roll
over and give us anything we wanted.
Basically, to date, that gamble has failed.

There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

La la la la la ....

Heard some wally on Any Questions saying WTO rules would be fine too.

You'd think the BBC would find people with more than half a brain for that
prog.

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dennis@home wrote
Fredxxx wrote

There is no issue WTO rules are fine.

But we already know that WTO rules will result in tariffs
on some of our exports to the EU that aren't there ATM.

But wont be more than the drop in the pound produces.

So your definition of fine may not be fine for our exporters.

Wrong, as always.

On 04/11/2017 19:38, Rod Speed wrote:
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Wrong, as always.

On Friday, 3 November 2017 00:47:09 UTC, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 00:24:40 +0000, Tjoepstil
wrote:

On 03/11/17 00:05, T i m wrote:
continuing blindly ... 'could be throwing the
baby out with the bathwater'.

it could also be the best thing since sliced bread,

Of *course* it could.

But is it better than ring pulls on cans ?


the second coming of
Christ

I doubt it.

Nah that Jeremy coburn.


or the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Or them.

Nah at least two of them would need to be women due to equality, and they're still getting ready, not sure which shoes to wear.


you are simply saying that you are too t i m id to rise to a challenge,

Nothing to do with being timid but all to do with not feeing the need
to jump into the abyss for no reason. You have a reason (obviously)
but close to 50% of the voting population don't.

close to 50% voted each way.


and want to stay in the EU kindergarten with mutti Merkel telling you
how it is.

I do? Is that's what been happening or going to happen or something? I
can't remember even meeting her?

Do you have to meet someone to know them ?, I never met Hitler.


Always hold on tight to Nurse

Another projection mate?

For fear of something even worse.

I can't think of anyone who wouldn't be frightened of 'something
worse' (other than Brexiteers of course).

You mean like Germany controling europe ?
Merkel is widely described as the de facto leader of the European Union, and the leader of the Free World.
(according to wiki.)


When I became a man, I put away childish things.

And common sense by the looks of it.

Common sense isn't common.

It's like saying great minds think alike they don't, that's why we don't have an Einstein born every miniute.