I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage to
surrounding things by the falling glass.

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On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage to
surrounding things by the falling glass.

Isn't the obvious way to remove the putty or whatever is holding the
glass in then remove the glass in one piece?

On Fri, 26 May 2017 14:34:38 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage
to surrounding things by the falling glass.

If you must smash it out, stick parcel tape all over it first and put a
dust sheet down to catch it.


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The Other John wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 14:34:38 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage
to surrounding things by the falling glass.

If you must smash it out, stick parcel tape all over it first and put a
dust sheet down to catch it.

I was wondering about using tape. But I'd still rather it couldn't fall
some 3 metres or so.

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In article ,
Clive George wrote:
On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an
experience glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage
to surrounding things by the falling glass.

Isn't the obvious way to remove the putty or whatever is holding the
glass in then remove the glass in one piece?

It's the obvious way, but my guess is the glass will break when hacking it
out. And since I'll be up a step ladder, would rather not have large
chunks of it flying around.

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On 26/05/2017 14:40, Clive George wrote:
On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage to
surrounding things by the falling glass.

Isn't the obvious way to remove the putty or whatever is holding the
glass in then remove the glass in one piece?


Have you ever tried removing years old putty with a hacking knife? - #it
is very hard.

Try scoring the glass with a glass cutter and then as sugessted in
another post cover with tape (gasffer tape? before trying to break i9t
out. The scoring should give you some control pver the lies of breakage

Malcolm

This can be a great alternative for a house number:

https://www.purlfrost.com/

DerbyBorn wrote in
2.222:




This can be a great alternative for a house number:

https://www.purlfrost.com/



Specifically:

https://www.purlfrost.com/house-number-stickers/

"Clive George" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage to
surrounding things by the falling glass.

Isn't the obvious way to remove the putty or whatever is holding the glass
in then remove the glass in one piece?




Assuming it was originally properly fitted with putty even if you spent all
week trying to remove it

the glass would still not come out without breaking.



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DerbyBorn wrote:

This can be a great alternative for a house number:

https://www.purlfrost.com/

I think Dave asked the "etched glass" question a couple of months ago

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Mark wrote:

"Clive George" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an
experience glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with
damage to surrounding things by the falling glass.

Isn't the obvious way to remove the putty or whatever is holding the
glass in then remove the glass in one piece?




Assuming it was originally properly fitted with putty even if you spent
all week trying to remove it

the glass would still not come out without breaking.

As I said I'm anything but a glazing expert, but this is what I'm
expecting.

Any other glass I've replaced before was easily accessible and already
broken.



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Andy Burns wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote:

This can be a great alternative for a house number:

https://www.purlfrost.com/

I think Dave asked the "etched glass" question a couple of months ago

And I've already bought the new glass with number 'etched' in. Think it
was sandblasted. It looks very nice.

I'm sure something you just stick on works for some. Here, it would fall
off the next day. Or I'd break the glass when fitting it. ;-)

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On 26/05/17 17:08, DerbyBorn wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote in
2.222:




This can be a great alternative for a house number:

https://www.purlfrost.com/



Specifically:

https://www.purlfrost.com/house-number-stickers/


How are they an alternative to house numbers?

They ARE ****ing house numbers FFS!

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on 26/05/2017, Dave Plowman (News) supposed :
I'm sure something you just stick on works for some. Here, it would fall
off the next day. Or I'd break the glass when fitting it. ;-)

I did the hall side window and stair top window with some patterned
frosted film, because they were over looked. I did them 12 months ago,
with some film from China and they are fine.

Idea was to avoid having to draw curtains all the time.

Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

The obvious way is to just smash it out - but am concerned with damage to
surrounding things by the falling glass.

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In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

Yes, if I couldn't get it out in one piece, I would cover the outside
with parcel tape then 'it it wiv me 'ammer from the inside, with a large
dust sheet or (better) plastic tarpaulin outside, to catch the bits.
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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

That does seem the logical way. But was hoping someone had done something
similar where they wanted to make sure shards of glass couldn't damage the
surrounding area, and would have chapter and verse on how to.

Perhaps I'd have got a better answer on a group called 'UK Politics' or
whatever. ;-)

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On 27/05/2017 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

That does seem the logical way. But was hoping someone had done something
similar where they wanted to make sure shards of glass couldn't damage the
surrounding area, and would have chapter and verse on how to.

Perhaps I'd have got a better answer on a group called 'UK Politics' or
whatever. ;-)

The houses around here are mostly not as grand as yours so the fanlights
above the doors are mostly rectangular and unassuming. Over the years
I've seen the glass removed in a few ways[1]. FWIW the one that
impressed me most was an old bloke who (a) put tape on both sides of the
glass, (b) put down drop sheets and then loads of old newspaper on them
inside and out, (c) then put a large cardboard box on that, outside the
door, (d) donned visor and hard hat and (e) applied punch from inside
(with the door shut). But then I subscribe to the "but am I paranoid
enough?" school.


[1] though so far not with an angle grinder: do you fancy adding to the
Wiki a report on how a disc for cutting glass tiles works on window glass?
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On Saturday, 27 May 2017 10:38:11 UTC+1, Graeme wrote:
In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

Yes, if I couldn't get it out in one piece, I would cover the outside
with parcel tape then 'it it wiv me 'ammer from the inside, with a large
dust sheet or (better) plastic tarpaulin outside, to catch the bits.

Sharp bits of broken glass will evade all cleanup attempts whatever you do, so a second cleanup a day or 2 later is required.

FWIW I'm not seeing much upside in tape.


NT

On 27/05/17 10:27, Graeme wrote:
In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

Yes, if I couldn't get it out in one piece, I would cover the outside
with parcel tape then 'it it wiv me 'ammer from the inside, with a large
dust sheet or (better) plastic tarpaulin outside, to catch the bits.
Fablon is your friend


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In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 27/05/2017 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

That does seem the logical way. But was hoping someone had done something
similar where they wanted to make sure shards of glass couldn't damage the
surrounding area, and would have chapter and verse on how to.

Perhaps I'd have got a better answer on a group called 'UK Politics' or
whatever. ;-)

The houses around here are mostly not as grand as yours so the fanlights
above the doors are mostly rectangular and unassuming.

That's all mine is at present. But since I'm recorating, I'm just copying
what I've seen elsewhere and liked - an 'engraved' number in the glass.
I'm saving about 2 grand by DIYing the decorating, so feel quite justified
to splash out on some nice bits. ;-)

Over the years
I've seen the glass removed in a few ways[1]. FWIW the one that
impressed me most was an old bloke who (a) put tape on both sides of the
glass, (b) put down drop sheets and then loads of old newspaper on them
inside and out, (c) then put a large cardboard box on that, outside the
door, (d) donned visor and hard hat and (e) applied punch from inside
(with the door shut). But then I subscribe to the "but am I paranoid
enough?" school.

I'd have thought there could be a number of occasions where you'd want to
remove glass in an ultra safe manner - so surprised I've not been given
chapter and verse. Given many on here seem to know how to generate nuclear
energy efficiently and safely. Of course, they could just be bull****ting.



[1] though so far not with an angle grinder: do you fancy adding to the
Wiki a report on how a disc for cutting glass tiles works on window
glass?

;-) I'm one of those where an angle grinder is the last resort.

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On Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:18:50 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Robin wrote:
On 27/05/2017 10:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Stick it together with plenty of sticky tape when you break it.

That does seem the logical way. But was hoping someone had done something
similar where they wanted to make sure shards of glass couldn't damage the
surrounding area, and would have chapter and verse on how to.

Perhaps I'd have got a better answer on a group called 'UK Politics' or
whatever. ;-)

The houses around here are mostly not as grand as yours so the fanlights
above the doors are mostly rectangular and unassuming.

That's all mine is at present. But since I'm recorating, I'm just copying
what I've seen elsewhere and liked - an 'engraved' number in the glass.
I'm saving about 2 grand by DIYing the decorating, so feel quite justified
to splash out on some nice bits. ;-)

Over the years
I've seen the glass removed in a few ways[1]. FWIW the one that
impressed me most was an old bloke who (a) put tape on both sides of the
glass, (b) put down drop sheets and then loads of old newspaper on them
inside and out, (c) then put a large cardboard box on that, outside the
door, (d) donned visor and hard hat and (e) applied punch from inside
(with the door shut). But then I subscribe to the "but am I paranoid
enough?" school.

I'd have thought there could be a number of occasions where you'd want to
remove glass in an ultra safe manner - so surprised I've not been given
chapter and verse. Given many on here seem to know how to generate nuclear
energy efficiently and safely. Of course, they could just be bull****ting.



[1] though so far not with an angle grinder: do you fancy adding to the
Wiki a report on how a disc for cutting glass tiles works on window
glass?

;-) I'm one of those where an angle grinder is the last resort.

Of course you can apply safety film, but what's the point?


NT

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 27/05/17 10:27, Graeme wrote:

Yes, if I couldn't get it out in one piece, I would cover the
outside with parcel tape then 'it it wiv me 'ammer from the inside,
with a large dust sheet or (better) plastic tarpaulin outside, to
catch the bits.

Fablon is your friend

I like that idea. Better yet, both sides of the glass, then whack it.
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On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

A cranked blade[1] in a multimaster type tool will let you cut the putty
away, and also to free the pane from any putty it was bedded on.

[1] This kind of thing:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...-wideblade.jpg



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But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the glass - so
isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ and then the
glass might be left intact.

https://www.purlfrost.com/search/fanlight

On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the glass - so
isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ and then the
glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.


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On Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:47:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the glass - so
isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ and then the
glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.

There's no hope of it coming out in one piece - unless it's bedded in silicone. Tape only delays removing the pieces. This thread seems to me to only achieve delaying the job.


NT

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

A cranked blade[1] in a multimaster type tool will let you cut the putty
away, and also to free the pane from any putty it was bedded on.

[1] This kind of thing:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...-wideblade.jpg

John, your problem is that there seems to be a slight lack of aggression in
your life and too much constructive thinking.
Why can't you be like the rest and just want to smash it with a brick?

In article ,
wrote:
On Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:47:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the
glass - so isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ
and then the glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.

There's no hope of it coming out in one piece - unless it's bedded in
silicone. Tape only delays removing the pieces. This thread seems to me
to only achieve delaying the job.

I'm not interested in removing it in one piece, as it will be scrap
anyway. Just want to minimise any damage caused by falling glass. Which is
why I asked this question.

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On Sunday, 28 May 2017 12:50:01 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:47:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the
glass - so isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ
and then the glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.

There's no hope of it coming out in one piece - unless it's bedded in
silicone. Tape only delays removing the pieces. This thread seems to me
to only achieve delaying the job.

I'm not interested in removing it in one piece, as it will be scrap
anyway. Just want to minimise any damage caused by falling glass. Which is
why I asked this question.

We knew that from the start.


NT

On 28/05/2017 12:36, Richard wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

On 26/05/2017 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I'm replacing the fanlight above the front door with new frosted glass
with the house number engraved on it.

Suggestions on how to remove the old glass safely. I'm not an experience
glazier.

A cranked blade[1] in a multimaster type tool will let you cut the
putty away, and also to free the pane from any putty it was bedded on.

[1] This kind of thing:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...-wideblade.jpg

John, your problem is that there seems to be a slight lack of aggression
in your life and too much constructive thinking.
Why can't you be like the rest and just want to smash it with a brick?

;-)

Well if you want a more destructive option. Score into sections with a
good glass cutter, then run a blowtorch along the score, followed by a
can of freezer spray. That ought to shear out sections in more
manageable chunks. One of those rubber suckers to pull the cut section
free might help.

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On 28/05/2017 12:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:47:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the
glass - so isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ
and then the glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.

There's no hope of it coming out in one piece - unless it's bedded in
silicone. Tape only delays removing the pieces. This thread seems to me
to only achieve delaying the job.

I'm not interested in removing it in one piece, as it will be scrap
anyway. Just want to minimise any damage caused by falling glass. Which is
why I asked this question.

Getting it out in one piece and carrying it down to the ground seems
like a reasonable way of minimising the damage though.


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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 28/05/2017 12:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:47:05 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 28/05/17 10:54, DerbyBorn wrote:
But surely the putty needs to be removed in order to replace the
glass - so isn't it worth trying to remove it with the glass in situ
and then the glass might be left intact.


This is one of the cases where that is how you try the first time you
ever do it.

But never again.

There's no hope of it coming out in one piece - unless it's bedded in
silicone. Tape only delays removing the pieces. This thread seems to
me to only achieve delaying the job.

I'm not interested in removing it in one piece, as it will be scrap
anyway. Just want to minimise any damage caused by falling glass.
Which is why I asked this question.

Getting it out in one piece and carrying it down to the ground seems
like a reasonable way of minimising the damage though.

I covered both inside and out with old blankets. Taped up the window with
parcel tape. Got a pal to stand guard ouside on the street. Smashed it
outwards with a broom. Some shards still got as far as the street, about
some 3 metres away.

One real snag is it's very awkward to get at. Interior door and steps to
the outside don't allow a step ladder to be positioned in the ideal place.

And the old putty seems to made of the strongest type known to man.

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On Monday, 29 May 2017 11:25:15 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

And the old putty seems to made of the strongest type known to man.

that's why getting it out in one piece doesn't happen.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 29 May 2017 11:25:15 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

And the old putty seems to made of the strongest type known to man.

that's why getting it out in one piece doesn't happen.


I have a small original conservatory, which was in a bit of a state when I
moved here. Managed to remove the vast majority of that glass intact - and
re-used it. I made the new frames as close a match to the originals as
possible.

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On 29/05/2017 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

And the old putty seems to made of the strongest type known to man.

Carbide rasp on a multimaster (et al) tends to deal with that...


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In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
On 29/05/2017 11:22, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

And the old putty seems to made of the strongest type known to man.

Carbide rasp on a multimaster (et al) tends to deal with that...

I've got a Bosch electric chisel which worked pretty well. Has a blade
specifically for removing putty.

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The conclusion for those who haven't lost the will to live after watching
TV over the last few days.

Job done and looks very look. Obviously, not painted yet as the putty has
to dry.

Yet another time I don't understand glazier tollerances. It was 4mm wider
at one end than the other, and having a number on it can only be fitted
one way, and of course the frame ran out in the opposite direction. Add to
that a clear border round the frosted part which had to be centralised in
the frame, and what should have been an easy job took much longer.

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On Wednesday, 31 May 2017 16:18:01 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The conclusion for those who haven't lost the will to live after watching
TV over the last few days.

Job done and looks very look. Obviously, not painted yet as the putty has
to dry.

Yet another time I don't understand glazier tollerances. It was 4mm wider
at one end than the other, and having a number on it can only be fitted
one way, and of course the frame ran out in the opposite direction. Add to
that a clear border round the frosted part which had to be centralised in
the frame, and what should have been an easy job took much longer.

glaziers seem to screw up a lot, why I don't know.


NT