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On 20/04/2017 09:00, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.

It evolved to tolerate grazing.

So mowing is normal.

Well, "natural", as in similar to the natural state.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Because it loses leaf matter to the mower.

Exactly. if you don't fertiize, all you get growing is deep
rooted
weeds.

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

The park next to my house has NEVER been fertilised in the
50 years its been there. Its mowed every couple of weeks or
so in the summer and less often in the winter with a ****ing
great tractor mounted mower that is about twice the size
of my car with the cuttings left where they fall.

It is normal grass, nothing even remotely like deep rooted
weeds.

My backyard has kikuyu that is about a foot deep and it has
never
ever been fertilized in 50 years either and there are sweet
****
all
deep rooted weeds there either.

I presume harry as referring to grass which is mown and the
cuttings
taken
away, making the ground more suitable for weeds than grass.

He'd be wrong about that too. Even when the cuttings
are removed, you still don't need to fertilise it.

Mind you, I mow my lawn and leave the cuttings on it, and it's
full
of
weeds. It's probably more to do with sunlight, water, and
surrounding
trees taking nutrients away.

Nope. You don't mow it enough. Mow it enough and the weeds
don't
last
long.
They cant survive having their heads chopped off. Grass doesn't
care.

My back lawn has trees dotted around it. The grass won't grow
AT
ALL
under the trees, but weeds do.

The park next to my house has quite a few trees and grass growing
right
up
to the trunk of all of them.

You've got feeble old world genetically ****ed grass.

More likely **** weather.

Kikuyu will grow fine there.

Then why doesn't it?

You lot prefer a less coarse grass.

Is it soft enough to walk on in bare feet?

Yes, but then so is bare dirt and concrete. Plenty prefer a less coarse
grass.

Fusspots. I think the next time I need to buy grass seed I'll try
Kikuyu.

Kikuyu isnt a seed grass.

It must make seeds surely.

Nope, it's a runner grass.

What's this then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151551068630

Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed. It couldn't spread across long distances.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

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If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
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On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients, like nitrogen compounds.

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On 20/04/2017 09:00, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.

It evolved to tolerate grazing.

So mowing is normal.

Well, "natural", as in similar to the natural state.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Because it loses leaf matter to the mower.

Exactly. if you don't fertiize, all you get growing is
deep
rooted
weeds.

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

The park next to my house has NEVER been fertilised in the
50 years its been there. Its mowed every couple of weeks or
so in the summer and less often in the winter with a
****ing
great tractor mounted mower that is about twice the size
of my car with the cuttings left where they fall.

It is normal grass, nothing even remotely like deep rooted
weeds.

My backyard has kikuyu that is about a foot deep and it has
never
ever been fertilized in 50 years either and there are sweet
****
all
deep rooted weeds there either.

I presume harry as referring to grass which is mown and the
cuttings
taken
away, making the ground more suitable for weeds than grass.

He'd be wrong about that too. Even when the cuttings
are removed, you still don't need to fertilise it.

Mind you, I mow my lawn and leave the cuttings on it, and
it's
full
of
weeds. It's probably more to do with sunlight, water, and
surrounding
trees taking nutrients away.

Nope. You don't mow it enough. Mow it enough and the weeds
don't
last
long.
They cant survive having their heads chopped off. Grass
doesn't
care.

My back lawn has trees dotted around it. The grass won't grow
AT
ALL
under the trees, but weeds do.

The park next to my house has quite a few trees and grass
growing
right
up
to the trunk of all of them.

You've got feeble old world genetically ****ed grass.

More likely **** weather.

Kikuyu will grow fine there.

Then why doesn't it?

You lot prefer a less coarse grass.

Is it soft enough to walk on in bare feet?

Yes, but then so is bare dirt and concrete. Plenty prefer a less
coarse
grass.

Fusspots. I think the next time I need to buy grass seed I'll try
Kikuyu.

Kikuyu isnt a seed grass.

It must make seeds surely.

Nope, it's a runner grass.

What's this then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151551068630

Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients, like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

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On 20/04/2017 09:00, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.

It evolved to tolerate grazing.

So mowing is normal.

Well, "natural", as in similar to the natural state.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Because it loses leaf matter to the mower.

Exactly. if you don't fertiize, all you get growing is
deep
rooted
weeds.

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

The park next to my house has NEVER been fertilised in the
50 years its been there. Its mowed every couple of weeks or
so in the summer and less often in the winter with a
****ing
great tractor mounted mower that is about twice the size
of my car with the cuttings left where they fall.

It is normal grass, nothing even remotely like deep rooted
weeds.

My backyard has kikuyu that is about a foot deep and it has
never
ever been fertilized in 50 years either and there are sweet
****
all
deep rooted weeds there either.

I presume harry as referring to grass which is mown and the
cuttings
taken
away, making the ground more suitable for weeds than grass.

He'd be wrong about that too. Even when the cuttings
are removed, you still don't need to fertilise it.

Mind you, I mow my lawn and leave the cuttings on it, and
it's
full
of
weeds. It's probably more to do with sunlight, water, and
surrounding
trees taking nutrients away.

Nope. You don't mow it enough. Mow it enough and the weeds
don't
last
long.
They cant survive having their heads chopped off. Grass
doesn't
care.

My back lawn has trees dotted around it. The grass won't grow
AT
ALL
under the trees, but weeds do.

The park next to my house has quite a few trees and grass
growing
right
up
to the trunk of all of them.

You've got feeble old world genetically ****ed grass.

More likely **** weather.

Kikuyu will grow fine there.

Then why doesn't it?

You lot prefer a less coarse grass.

Is it soft enough to walk on in bare feet?

Yes, but then so is bare dirt and concrete. Plenty prefer a less
coarse
grass.

Fusspots. I think the next time I need to buy grass seed I'll try
Kikuyu.

Kikuyu isnt a seed grass.

It must make seeds surely.

Nope, it's a runner grass.

What's this then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151551068630

Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work. How would it get from West to East Australia?

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too? Loading the dishwasher?

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On 20/04/2017 09:00, harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max
Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.

It evolved to tolerate grazing.

So mowing is normal.

Well, "natural", as in similar to the natural state.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Because it loses leaf matter to the mower.

Exactly. if you don't fertiize, all you get growing is
deep
rooted
weeds.

Even more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

The park next to my house has NEVER been fertilised in
the
50 years its been there. Its mowed every couple of weeks
or
so in the summer and less often in the winter with a
****ing
great tractor mounted mower that is about twice the size
of my car with the cuttings left where they fall.

It is normal grass, nothing even remotely like deep
rooted
weeds.

My backyard has kikuyu that is about a foot deep and it
has
never
ever been fertilized in 50 years either and there are
sweet
****
all
deep rooted weeds there either.

I presume harry as referring to grass which is mown and
the
cuttings
taken
away, making the ground more suitable for weeds than
grass.

He'd be wrong about that too. Even when the cuttings
are removed, you still don't need to fertilise it.

Mind you, I mow my lawn and leave the cuttings on it, and
it's
full
of
weeds. It's probably more to do with sunlight, water, and
surrounding
trees taking nutrients away.

Nope. You don't mow it enough. Mow it enough and the weeds
don't
last
long.
They cant survive having their heads chopped off. Grass
doesn't
care.

My back lawn has trees dotted around it. The grass won't
grow
AT
ALL
under the trees, but weeds do.

The park next to my house has quite a few trees and grass
growing
right
up
to the trunk of all of them.

You've got feeble old world genetically ****ed grass.

More likely **** weather.

Kikuyu will grow fine there.

Then why doesn't it?

You lot prefer a less coarse grass.

Is it soft enough to walk on in bare feet?

Yes, but then so is bare dirt and concrete. Plenty prefer a less
coarse
grass.

Fusspots. I think the next time I need to buy grass seed I'll try
Kikuyu.

Kikuyu isnt a seed grass.

It must make seeds surely.

Nope, it's a runner grass.

What's this then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151551068630

Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work.

It does anyway.

How would it get from West to East Australia?

You put the runners in a vehicle.

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

Bred it. Just like we did wheat, that's
not a naturally occurring grass either.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too?

Yep.

Loading the dishwasher?

Nope, when I take stuff back to the kitchen after
eating off it, it has to go somewhere. Just as easy
to put it straight in the dishwasher which is left
open as putting it anywhere else. Then once there
arent any clean plates left, put a pellet in the little
thing where it goes, close the door turn it on.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients, like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients, like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

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Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work.

It does anyway.

How would it get from West to East Australia?

You put the runners in a vehicle.

How would it do it without human intervention?

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

Bred it. Just like we did wheat, that's
not a naturally occurring grass either.

Don't believe you.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too?

Yep.

Get a robot one then.

Loading the dishwasher?

Nope, when I take stuff back to the kitchen after
eating off it, it has to go somewhere. Just as easy
to put it straight in the dishwasher which is left
open as putting it anywhere else.

Easier to do what I do and just pile them up on the draining board. When it looks like about a full load, I put them all in at once, taking the clean stuff out at the same time. Doing things in bulk is more efficient.

Then once there
arent any clean plates left, put a pellet in the little
thing where it goes, close the door turn it on.

I use two pellets, gets things clean after sitting about for 4 days.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients, like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

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Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work.

It does anyway.

How would it get from West to East Australia?

You put the runners in a vehicle.

How would it do it without human intervention?

Irrelevant, its not a naturally occurring grass.

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

Bred it. Just like we did wheat, that's
not a naturally occurring grass either.

Don't believe you.

Doesn't matter what you believe.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too?

Yep.

Get a robot one then.

Useless. You have no idea what my place is like.

Loading the dishwasher?

Nope, when I take stuff back to the kitchen after
eating off it, it has to go somewhere. Just as easy
to put it straight in the dishwasher which is left
open as putting it anywhere else.

Easier to do what I do and just pile them up on the draining board.

Nope. Just as easy to pile them in the dishwasher and there
is nothing else you have to do except close the door and
press the button when you want to have them cleaned.

When it looks like about a full load, I put them all in at once,

So you waste that effort. I don't have to do that.

taking the clean stuff out at the same time.

The clean stuff has already gone, its been dirtied.

Doing things in bulk is more efficient.

No point in double handling it your way.

Then once there arent any clean plates left, put a pellet in the little
thing where it goes, close the door turn it on.

I use two pellets,

I use one, but a good one like Finish
or now Logix now that we have an Aldi.

gets things clean after sitting about for 4 days.

Mine sit for about 12, that's when all the full
dinner plates are dirty usually. Don't use
those for ever meal so that does vary a little.

I do a dishwasher run when they are all dirty.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I
believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill
it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

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On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I
believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill
it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max
Demian
wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many
moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better
than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has
NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I
believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves
productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill
it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat
sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

but surely if i mow a lawn without collecting the cut grass so the cut grass lands on top of the grass then it rots down into the earth so no chemicals are lost so it will grow forever?
george

DICEGEORGE wrote

but surely if i mow a lawn without collecting the cut grass so the
cut grass lands on top of the grass then it rots down into the earth

Yes.

so no chemicals are lost

Plenty are when it rots.

so it will grow forever?

It will even if you collect the cut grass and do whatever you like with it
too.

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but surely if i mow a lawn without collecting the cut grass so the cut
grass lands on top of the grass then it rots down into the earth so no
chemicals are lost so it will grow forever?
george

That is the principle of a mulching mower. Chopping the clippings fine
in such a mower ensures they break down rapidly and disappear. Leaving
the clippings from an ordinary mower on the surface is generally
frowned on, and dire consequences are predicted,

Only by fools.

although just what those consequences are, I'm not sure.
I think a lot of them may just be OWTs. I think clippings
left on the lawn just look unsightly.

They arent there for long.

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On Thu, 11 May 2017 13:37:49 -0700 (PDT), DICEGEORGE
wrote:

but surely if i mow a lawn without collecting the cut grass so the cut
grass lands on top of the grass then it rots down into the earth so no
chemicals are lost so it will grow forever?
george

That is the principle of a mulching mower. Chopping the clippings fine
in such a mower ensures they break down rapidly and disappear. Leaving
the clippings from an ordinary mower on the surface is generally
frowned on, and dire consequences are predicted, although just what
those consequences are, I'm not sure. I think a lot of them may just
be OWTs. I think clippings left on the lawn just look unsightly.

Persistent mulching might be OK if you vary the mowing route. For long,
narrow strips a mulching mower gathers the stuff into a strip where it
can damage the grass as it rots.


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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max
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wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many
moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better
than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has
NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I
believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves
productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't kill
it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat
sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me, I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

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On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 13:50:57 UTC+1, Max
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wrote:
On 18/04/2017 23:42, newshound wrote:
On 4/18/2017 8:21 AM, Bod wrote:

Agreed. My landscape gardener told me many
moons
ago
that
grass
likes
being cut, but weeds don't. I just mow
regularly
and
they
eventually
disappear.

I believe it is an evolution thing. Grass grows
from
the
bottom,
which
is why they survive grazing herbivores better
than
broad-leaf
plants,
which grow from the top.

That doesn't mean grass *likes* being cut.

--
Max Demian

Grass evolved to be cut by grazing animals.
So mowing is normal.

As there is no animals ****ting, it has to be
fertilized
instead.

Pigs arse it does. The park next to my place has
NEVER
been
fertilized
in
50
years.

Neither has my grass and mine isnt even mowed.

Indeed - mainly plants just need water and CO2.

Yep, my trees have never had anything else.

The biggest ones are immense now.

Hydroponics or something only uses water and CO2 I
believe.

Nope, they add fertilizer to the water.

Yet your trees are ok.

Sure, but a hydroponics operation normally wants to be
more productive and adding fertilizer improves
productivity.

Same with ag operations.

Apparently if a plant has enough nitrogen, adding
fertiliser
does
nothing
at all.

Its much more complicated than that and
it isnt just nitrogen in the fertiliser anyway.

Well I added fertiliser (double the recommended dose) to
some
house
plants
that weren't doing very well (spider plants a cat sat on and
a
cactus
that
was shrivelling up) and they didn't grow faster or become
healthier.

Because the problem wasn't a lack of fertiliser,
the problem was that the cat sat on it.

But the solution is fast growth.

Not possible once the cat has sat on it.

Spider plants are pretty resilient, getting squashed doesn't
kill
it.

Obviously didn't do it much good.

Dunno. I decided to help it by removing it from where the cat
sleeps.

I obviously moved it to a windowledge where the cat doesn't go.

And it still didn't do very well.

It did very well, with or without the fertiliser.

Most commercial crops do a lot better with fertiliser.

Depends what's in the soil.

Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

They clearly weren't growing properly.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

You never do.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for
other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with
hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant
nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the
plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

Irrelevant to what does better with fertiliser.

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news It's a soft flat green area. Moss, clover, grass, whatever.

You've clearly never tried kikuyu or buffalo.

I looked at a photo of Kikuyu and it looks fine to me.

Its fine if you dont mind having to mow it twice a week in summer.

**** that for a joke.

Mowing is easy, the motor does all the work.

Plenty better things to do with my time.

It's not a lot of time.

No point in wasting that on mowing the ****ing lawn.

It makes it look nicer.

Just wider blades than I have here.

And runners that can be as thick as your little finger.

Only if you let it grow that much.

Wrong, it has those even if you mow it twice a week.

And why does it grow well in your desert of a country?

Because its african jungle pretending to be grass.

Thats actually an advantage if you want to get rid of it
to grow tomatoes etc, but it grows back at one hell of a rate.

Eh?

You can grab the runners and rip out 6-10'
of it in one go its to thick and rugged.

Can't you kill it all by burning it or something?

Nope, it doesnt burn.

You could use napalm but the local fire brigade got
all stroppy when I burnt the dead stuff off my big line
of trees. They'd go ballistic if I used napalm and I
doubt the neighbours would be too impressed either.

Petrol then.

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news It's a soft flat green area. Moss, clover, grass, whatever.

You've clearly never tried kikuyu or buffalo.

I looked at a photo of Kikuyu and it looks fine to me.

Its fine if you dont mind having to mow it twice a week in summer.

**** that for a joke.

Mowing is easy, the motor does all the work.

Plenty better things to do with my time.

It's not a lot of time.

No point in wasting that on mowing the ****ing lawn.

It makes it look nicer.

I prefer the natural look. Thats why I dont waste
my ****ing time planting hedges and trimming
them or ****ing round with garden bed either.

Just wider blades than I have here.

And runners that can be as thick as your little finger.

Only if you let it grow that much.

Wrong, it has those even if you mow it twice a week.

And why does it grow well in your desert of a country?

Because its african jungle pretending to be grass.

Thats actually an advantage if you want to get rid of it
to grow tomatoes etc, but it grows back at one hell of a rate.

Eh?

You can grab the runners and rip out 6-10'
of it in one go its to thick and rugged.

Can't you kill it all by burning it or something?

Nope, it doesnt burn.

You could use napalm but the local fire brigade got
all stroppy when I burnt the dead stuff off my big line
of trees. They'd go ballistic if I used napalm and I
doubt the neighbours would be too impressed either.

Petrol then.

It just yawns and carrys on regardless.

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news What's this then? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151551068630

Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work.

It does anyway.

How would it get from West to East Australia?

You put the runners in a vehicle.

How would it do it without human intervention?

Irrelevant, its not a naturally occurring grass.

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

Bred it. Just like we did wheat, that's
not a naturally occurring grass either.

Don't believe you.

Doesn't matter what you believe.

So why was it bred? What is it's purpose?

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too?

Yep.

Get a robot one then.

Useless. You have no idea what my place is like.

Are you boasting about the size of your hose again? Or are you saying it's really dirty?

Loading the dishwasher?

Nope, when I take stuff back to the kitchen after
eating off it, it has to go somewhere. Just as easy
to put it straight in the dishwasher which is left
open as putting it anywhere else.

Easier to do what I do and just pile them up on the draining board.

Nope. Just as easy to pile them in the dishwasher and there
is nothing else you have to do except close the door and
press the button when you want to have them cleaned.

Putting them in the dishwasher requires putting them in the correct positions. I just pile them up on the draining board, so I can do all the stacking in one go every few days.

When it looks like about a full load, I put them all in at once,

So you waste that effort. I don't have to do that.

It's the rule of mass production, always faster to do lots of something at once.

taking the clean stuff out at the same time.

The clean stuff has already gone, its been dirtied.

So when yours has finished cleaning, it's full of clean stuff, and now you're gradually putting dirty things in and taking clean ones out and they're getting mixed up. Or do you have two dishwashers?

Then once there arent any clean plates left, put a pellet in the little
thing where it goes, close the door turn it on.

I use two pellets,

I use one, but a good one like Finish
or now Logix now that we have an Aldi.

As do I, but since I run it only every few days, and it's got dried catfood on things, it needs two, and on the full 70C wash.

gets things clean after sitting about for 4 days.

Mine sit for about 12, that's when all the full
dinner plates are dirty usually. Don't use
those for ever meal so that does vary a little.

I do a dishwasher run when they are all dirty.

I've got parrots and cats so mine fills faster.

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Fake kikuyu. There are no seed heads on any of my kikuyu.

It would never survive if it couldn't seed.

Wrong. It's a runner grass.

That could never work.

It does anyway.

How would it get from West to East Australia?

You put the runners in a vehicle.

How would it do it without human intervention?

Irrelevant, its not a naturally occurring grass.

It couldn't spread across long distances.

Its not a naturally occurring grass.

We invented it?

Bred it. Just like we did wheat, that's
not a naturally occurring grass either.

Don't believe you.

Doesn't matter what you believe.

So why was it bred? What is it's purpose?

To be a very aggressive grass that
will survive anything short of napalm.

If only to **** of my neighbours :-)

It'll **** you off too.

I don't mind mowing,

Yes, you are that stupid.

It's a quick easy enjoyable task.

Only for stupids who don't have much better things to do.

Do you detest hoovering too?

Yep.

Get a robot one then.

Useless. You have no idea what my place is like.

Are you boasting about the size of your hose again? Or are you saying
it's really dirty?

So much stuff that it wouldn't get anywhere.

Loading the dishwasher?

Nope, when I take stuff back to the kitchen after
eating off it, it has to go somewhere. Just as easy
to put it straight in the dishwasher which is left
open as putting it anywhere else.

Easier to do what I do and just pile them up on the draining board.

Nope. Just as easy to pile them in the dishwasher and there
is nothing else you have to do except close the door and
press the button when you want to have them cleaned.

Putting them in the dishwasher requires putting them in the correct
positions.

You have to do that sometime. Might as well be the
time you do anything with them after using them.

I just pile them up on the draining board, so I can do all the stacking in
one go every few days.

Which means they are all double handled. No thanks.

When it looks like about a full load, I put them all in at once,

So you waste that effort. I don't have to do that.

It's the rule of mass production, always faster to do lots of something at
once.

It's the rule of mass production, handle everything just once.

taking the clean stuff out at the same time.

The clean stuff has already gone, its been dirtied.

So when yours has finished cleaning, it's full of clean stuff, and now
you're gradually putting dirty things in and taking clean ones out and
they're getting mixed up. Or do you have two dishwashers?

Three, actually.

Then once there arent any clean plates left, put a pellet in the little
thing where it goes, close the door turn it on.

I use two pellets,

I use one, but a good one like Finish
or now Logix now that we have an Aldi.

As do I, but since I run it only every few days,

I run mine roughly ever 12 days because that's when
all the largest dinner plates are dirty. I don't use one
of those for every meal, with steak I used those heavy
cast iron oval plates that go under the grill. With curry
that's eaten out of what its reheated in in the microwave.

and it's got dried catfood on things,

Not stupid enough to feed cats and never needed to wash
anything with the dog. He gets the massive great 10KG sacks
of dried dog food that gets slashed and helps himself until
its empty and then that goes in the bin and another is slashed.

The leg of lamb bones have him take it
out of your hand, nothing to be washed.

it needs two, and on the full 70C wash.

Only because that dishwasher is
a steaming turd of a dishwasher.

gets things clean after sitting about for 4 days.

Mine sit for about 12, that's when all the full
dinner plates are dirty usually. Don't use
those for ever meal so that does vary a little.

I do a dishwasher run when they are all dirty.

I've got parrots and cats so mine fills faster.

Stupid to be dishwashing for them.

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

They clearly weren't growing properly.

They recovered with or without the fertiliser when they were removed from the area the cat uses.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

You never do.

I just told you my experience of house plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for
other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with
hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant
nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the
plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

Irrelevant to what does better with fertiliser.

So the ten different plants I have all happen to be ones that don't need it?

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

They clearly weren't growing properly.

They recovered with or without the fertiliser when they were removed from
the area the cat uses.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

You never do.

I just told you my experience of house plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for
other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with
hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start
with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant
nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the
plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

Irrelevant to what does better with fertiliser.

So the ten different plants I have all happen to be ones that don't need
it?

All indoor plants. Try it with with something like corn etc.

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

They clearly weren't growing properly.

They recovered with or without the fertiliser when they were removed from
the area the cat uses.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

You never do.

I just told you my experience of house plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for
other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with
hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start
with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant
nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the
plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

Irrelevant to what does better with fertiliser.

So the ten different plants I have all happen to be ones that don't need
it?

All indoor plants. Try it with with something like corn etc.

What's so magical about indoors?

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Nope, because commercial crops quite quickly deplete the
soil of what it once had before used for commercial crops.

That's why the most primitive agriculture is slash and burn,
to use new virgin soil when they havent invented fertiliser.

Exactly, but the same does not apply to house plants.

It does actually. House plant soil has nothing
left in it and just physically holds up the plants.

Yet they do just as well without fertiliser as with it.

That just as well is a pig ignorant lie.

Works for me,

You just said it doesn't with the ones the cat lay on.

Irrelevant to how well they're growing.

They clearly weren't growing properly.

They recovered with or without the fertiliser when they were removed
from
the area the cat uses.

I guess it depends on how good the soil is.

Guess again.

So you have no input then.

You never do.

I just told you my experience of house plants.

I've bought parts from hydroponics suppliers for
other
uses.

Yeah, growing the MJ crop.

Actually a cooling system for bitcoin machines.

Corse you would say that...

MJ doesn't need such things.

It does grow well with hydroponics.

What's the advantage of hydroponics over soil?

Easier to completely automate. Plants don't actually
need soil, just something to put the roots into so they
don't fall over etc. We used rockwool or scoria or even
nothing at all with some plants like tomatoes that are
staked for other reasons.

Why does soil stop automation?

It doesn't, but it's a lot easier to automate with
hydroponics.

Why?

With soil you have to sterilise it periodically, kill the
nematodes
etc.

With hydroponics, flush the water down the drain and start
with
new
water.

Surely the bacteria in the soil is what gives the plant
nutrients,
like
nitrogen compounds.

Sure, but there is other stuff like nematodes that **** the
plants.

Only thing I've had ****ing a plant are scale insects.

But you don't do commercial crops.

How dot he crops know they're going to be sold?

They don't need to.

Then what is the difference?

The difference is the much higher intensity
use of the area with commercial crops.

Exactly, so you don't need fertiliser for houseplants, like I said.

Depends on the plant. Some do a lot better when fertilised.

All mine are fine without.

Irrelevant to what does better with fertiliser.

So the ten different plants I have all happen to be ones that don't need
it?

All indoor plants. Try it with with something like corn etc.

What's so magical about indoors?

Nothing, but even someone as stupid as you doesn't
actually try growing too much corn etc inside.