My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I
have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this
even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern. Any other
ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Tell her to squirt and keep squirting plenty of washing up liquid into the
pan every time she flushes the toilet.
If the lip of the pan and the floor is full of suds you have found the
cause.

Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I
have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this
even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern. Any other
ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

I've seen this in houses where condensation is a problem, steam condenses on
the outside of the cistern (as it's full of cold water) and drips off
forming a puddle. She probably needs an extractor fan or tell her to open a
window after showering.

If condensation isn't a problem, it's probably coming from the flush pipe,
which often just pushes into the toilet via a rubber seal, these sometimes
fail.

Either way, the cistern is the culprit, forget the bath, basin or a broken
toilet pan.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:50:25 -0800 (PST), Rednadnerb
wrote:

My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

A light sprinkling of talc should reveal where the water is coming
from (assuming the floor isn't white).

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:50:25 -0800 (PST), Rednadnerb
wrote:

My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

I had the same thing, It was one or two drops every flush dripping
from one of the bolts/wingnuts that secure the cistern to the pan, but
there was some condensation as well, and I blamed that at first.

A new close coupling kit, and doughnut sorted it.
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On 17/02/2017 20:24, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:50:25 -0800 (PST), Rednadnerb
wrote:

My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

I had the same thing, It was one or two drops every flush dripping
from one of the bolts/wingnuts that secure the cistern to the pan, but
there was some condensation as well, and I blamed that at first.

A new close coupling kit, and doughnut sorted it.

Yes, if it's a close-coupled cistern, I would suspect a leaking doughnut
- which allows a small quantity of water to escape each time the toilet
is flushed.

Go and flush the toilet a time or two, and have a close look at that area.
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On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?


More likely to be slight leak between the back of the pan and the waste
downpipe. The water will migrate to the lowest part of the floor.


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Mr Pounder - good tip.
Phil L - we are talking about a couple of pints of water here, too much to be condensation.
M...hotmail - I did get her to use custard powder which led me to believe that the streaks left on the side of the pan pointed to it overflowing but the results overall were inconclusive (to her mind anyway).

Graham, Roger, Alan
Thank you but the problem does not occur when the toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

alan_m Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?


More likely to be slight leak between the back of the pan and the waste
downpipe. The water will migrate to the lowest part of the floor.


& ming....

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:40:32 -0800 (PST)
Rednadnerb wrote:

Graham, Roger, Alan
Thank you but the problem does not occur when the toilet is flushed,
only when she is absent from the flat.

A leaking fill valve, and no functioning overflow? Just a thought.

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Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didnt you
say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must be one
hell of a sewer backup problem.

On 17/02/2017 22:40, Rednadnerb wrote:
Graham, Roger, Alan
Thank you but the problem does not occur when the toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

OK - how about this. The ball valve doesn't shut off the water
completely when the cistern is at the correct level - and has a slight
drip which slowly raises the level. This is not noticeable when the
toilet is flushed frequently but, if left for a longer time, can reach a
level where it overflows. This would have to be combined with a failure
of the overflow to carry the water away safely - maybe a leak where the
overflow pipe comes out of the side - or bottom - of the cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.
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But if it occurs when nobody is there, then who flushes the toilet?

I was thinking maybe a leak in the pan which seeps out over time where some
water remains in the bottom and if its not flushed a give away would be that
this little pool in the pan is empty when the puddle appears. Sadly if that
is the cause they need a new pan.
May years ago this happened to us here, but the pan was extremely old and
if one looked carefully there was a crack in the neck part between the screw
down bit and the neck bit. I'm sure there are technical terms for this.


Apart from that are there any other sources of water around, like pipes
going up to taps etc that might have a seep and this place happens to be
allow point of the floor?
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"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
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Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I
have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this
even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern. Any other
ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Tell her to squirt and keep squirting plenty of washing up liquid into the
pan every time she flushes the toilet.
If the lip of the pan and the floor is full of suds you have found the
cause.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t you
say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must be one
hell of a sewer backup problem.



With an obvious olfactory odour, which isn't mentioned...
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On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.


Blocked overflow.

When she isn't around, the cistern has time to overflow between flushes.
Try turning the water to the cistern off before she goes out.

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cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.

+1

Very likely. Could even be overflowing down the back of the cistern if the
overflow pipe is blocked (presuming it is the type that needs one)

Blocked overflow.

When she isn't around, the cistern has time to overflow between
flushes. Try turning the water to the cistern off before she goes out.


Maybe someone didn't like it overflowing and blocked the pipe!!!!

"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.236...

cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.

+1

Very likely. Could even be overflowing down the back of the cistern if the
overflow pipe is blocked (presuming it is the type that needs one)

How else would excess water from a dripping ball valve escape if not through
an overflow. How does the other type of cistern work which doesn't need an
overflow? Is it possible/legal for the overflow to drain into the normal
outflow from the cistern to the pan? If it is, I'm not sure why all cisterns
don't have this sort of overflow.

How else would excess water from a dripping ball valve escape if not
through an overflow. How does the other type of cistern work which
doesn't need an overflow? Is it possible/legal for the overflow to
drain into the normal outflow from the cistern to the pan? If it is,
I'm not sure why all cisterns don't have this sort of overflow.



Clearly you are out of date. Most modern cisterns overflow into the pan and
do not need an external overflow (or Warning Pipe as we were told to call
them). Most cisterns have a cut away area at the back so that if the
overflow is blocked the water will run down the wall - I think it serves to
prevent people setting the water level too high.

On 18/02/2017 10:06, NY wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.236...

cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.

+1

Very likely. Could even be overflowing down the back of the cistern if
the
overflow pipe is blocked (presuming it is the type that needs one)

How else would excess water from a dripping ball valve escape if not
through an overflow. How does the other type of cistern work which
doesn't need an overflow? Is it possible/legal for the overflow to drain
into the normal outflow from the cistern to the pan? If it is, I'm not
sure why all cisterns don't have this sort of overflow.

A lot of cisterns don't have external overflows these days but overflow
into the pan. Bad idea if you're on a water meter because you're less
likely to notice that it's overflowing.
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A lot of cisterns don't have external overflows these days but overflow
into the pan. Bad idea if you're on a water meter because you're less
likely to notice that it's overflowing.

If they do it now (ie it's not contravening some safety regulation) I wonder
why toilet cisterns were *ever* made with external overflows, given that the
overflow pipe could always be connected by T piece into the outlet pipe of
the cistern to the pan - even in the days before flush-fit cistern/pan
connections.

I agree, though, that it makes it almost impossible to tell when the cistern
is overflowing and therefore that the ball valve needs some attention.

On 17/02/17 22:40, Rednadnerb wrote:
Graham, Roger, Alan Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.


Someone living in the loft getting a bit careless about tidying up their
visit?

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:15:27 -0000, "Phil L"
wrote:

Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I
have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this
even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern. Any other
ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

I've seen this in houses where condensation is a problem, steam condenses on
the outside of the cistern (as it's full of cold water) and drips off
forming a puddle. She probably needs an extractor fan or tell her to open a
window after showering.

If condensation isn't a problem, it's probably coming from the flush pipe,
which often just pushes into the toilet via a rubber seal, these sometimes
fail.

Either way, the cistern is the culprit, forget the bath, basin or a broken
toilet pan.

Known in Toronto as the 'sweating john syndrome'.

On 2/17/2017 9:50 PM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 17/02/2017 20:24, Graham. wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:50:25 -0800 (PST), Rednadnerb
wrote:

My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I
have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this
even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of
water?

Thanks

Brendan.

I had the same thing, It was one or two drops every flush dripping
from one of the bolts/wingnuts that secure the cistern to the pan, but
there was some condensation as well, and I blamed that at first.

A new close coupling kit, and doughnut sorted it.

Yes, if it's a close-coupled cistern, I would suspect a leaking doughnut
- which allows a small quantity of water to escape each time the toilet
is flushed.

Go and flush the toilet a time or two, and have a close look at that area.

I was going to suggest that whether it is close coupled or not. One way
I sometimes detect small leaks is to wrap a couple of sheets of toilet
paper around the suspect area and see if it gets damp. Works around
radiator valves too.

On 18/02/17 10:06, NY wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.236...

cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.

+1

Very likely. Could even be overflowing down the back of the cistern if
the
overflow pipe is blocked (presuming it is the type that needs one)

How else would excess water from a dripping ball valve escape if not
through an overflow. How does the other type of cistern work which
doesn't need an overflow? Is it possible/legal for the overflow to drain
into the normal outflow from the cistern to the pan? If it is, I'm not
sure why all cisterns don't have this sort of overflow.

these days many do.


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On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Useful tip: get a dark coloured christmas hat from a cracker, take a
small piece and wrap it in a piece of soft white bogroll. If it gets
wet, the colour will run and stain the bogroll.

Cheers
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On 18/02/2017 13:45, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have
found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even
likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of
water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Useful tip: get a dark coloured christmas hat from a cracker, take a
small piece and wrap it in a piece of soft white bogroll. If it gets
wet, the colour will run and stain the bogroll.

Cheers

Easier to just lay sheets of newspaper on the floor around the pan.

But how many (rented) properties do you see where a constantly dribbling
overflow from a horizontal pipe has caused the brickwork to be wet - then
stained - then crumbling due to frost. (all for the sake of a tee piece.)

Rednadnerb wrote on 17/02/2017 :
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her bathroom
floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the bath and
appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have found
the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time lapse
camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also suggested putting
one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of water?

Any possibility this might be appearing from below, as in a tiled floor
on concrete, with the water coming up through the tiles?

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:53:52 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 18/02/2017 13:45, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 17/02/2017 18:50, Rednadnerb wrote:
My neighbour has a pool of water that mysteriously appears on her
bathroom floor at random times usually once or twice a week.
It appears on the floor in the 18" space between the toilet and the
bath and appears even when she is not in the flat.
I strongly suspect that it is coming over the top of the pan as I have
found the lip to be wet (she is in a 1st floor flat so is this even
likely?)
It has been going on for ages, I have brilliantly suggested a time
lapse camera but she won't have that in her bathroom. I have also
suggested putting one of those blue things in the cistern.
Any other ideas as to how to get to the bottom of the mystery pool of
water?

Thanks

Brendan.

Useful tip: get a dark coloured christmas hat from a cracker, take a
small piece and wrap it in a piece of soft white bogroll. If it gets
wet, the colour will run and stain the bogroll.

Cheers

Easier to just lay sheets of newspaper on the floor around the pan.

Sure it's not someone aiming badly?

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jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...

"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.236...

cistern.

You could test this by purposely holding the ball-valve down and
overfilling it.

+1

Very likely. Could even be overflowing down the back of the cistern if
the
overflow pipe is blocked (presuming it is the type that needs one)

How else would excess water from a dripping ball valve escape if not
through an overflow.

None of mine have ever had an overflow pipe. The overflow ends
up in the pan and all you see is a continual small flow into the pan.

How does the other type of cistern work which doesn't need an overflow?

It ends up in the pan.

Is it possible/legal for the overflow to drain into the normal outflow
from the cistern to the pan?

Certainly possible, but may not be legal there
or maybe the legalitys changed or something.

it is, I'm not sure why all cisterns don't have this sort of overflow.

Yeah, me too, presumably it isnt legal in some places.

"NY" wrote in message
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"Roger Mills" wrote in message
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A lot of cisterns don't have external overflows these days but overflow
into the pan. Bad idea if you're on a water meter because you're less
likely to notice that it's overflowing.

If they do it now (ie it's not contravening some safety regulation) I
wonder why toilet cisterns were *ever* made with external overflows, given
that the overflow pipe could always be connected by T piece into the
outlet pipe of the cistern to the pan - even in the days before flush-fit
cistern/pan connections.

I agree, though, that it makes it almost impossible to tell when the
cistern is overflowing and therefore that the ball valve needs some
attention.

Its not impossible, you can see it running down the back of the pan,
over the part of the pan that is above the static water level in the pan.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?
The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl (in this
country anyway)...

YDunnyMV

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jim wrote:
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?
The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl (in this
country anyway)...

YDunnyMV

He didn't mantion the water in the cistern, this part of the thread is about
sewage water coming back up the pipe and overflowing the toilet.

Practically impossible really

jim wrote:
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?
The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl (in this
country anyway)...

YDunnyMV


Just a thought here.
We have a push button flush and have had plenty of trouble with the bloody
thing.
BG/Dyno-Rod have fitted three new push buttons and one new cistern internals
in the past eight years. On every visit I mentioned that water was trickling
down into the pan. The plumbers told me that they fitted a new seal to stop
this. It still happened.
The latest push button sticks down if you give it a really hard push. Water
will cascade down into the pan - it will continue to flush until the stuck
down button is noticed.
We have always noticed and pushed the button again, the flush stopped.
I should really call them back, but can't be arsed.
Just wondering if the button on the OP's toilet is stuck?

In message , Phil L
writes
jim wrote:
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?
The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl (in this
country anyway)...

YDunnyMV

He didn't mantion the water in the cistern, this part of the thread is about
sewage water coming back up the pipe and overflowing the toilet.

Practically impossible really

Hmm.. block of flats with shared downpipes? Partial blockage at ground
level and then someone empties a bath.



--
Tim Lamb

"Phil L" wrote in message
...
jim wrote:
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?
The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl (in this
country anyway)...

YDunnyMV

He didn't mantion the water in the cistern, this part of the thread is
about sewage water coming back up the pipe and overflowing the toilet.

Practically impossible really

No its not with a block of flats and someone emptying a bath
with the sewer pipe with a significant blockage. That could see
the water level in her pan overflow just enough to have a small
amount of water on the floor, without any smell.

"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Rednadnerb wrote

Thank you but the problem does not occur when the
toilet is flushed, only when she is absent from the flat.

Then presumably something is causing the water level
in the pan to rise up and overflow onto the floor while
she is out. Likely a sewer backup problem. But didn?t
you say that its on the first floor ? In that case it must
be one hell of a sewer backup problem.

With an obvious olfactory odour,

Not necessarily if it just has the water level surge
that high for a short while and then go back down
again quickly if the pan is on the ground floor.

You'll only get the smell if lots of the ****ty
water comes into the pan and you don't need
that to get it to overflow such a small amount.

which isn't mentioned...



Where's that much "water" coming from?

Someone in another flat emptying their bath.

The cistern won't hold enough to overfill the bowl
(in this country anyway)...

Yes, but a bath has plenty.

YDunnyMV