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Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


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Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.
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Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.


*extra* low voltage ? :-)

That'll be a right bugger for theatres and sports stadia.

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On 11/02/2017 13:13, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.


That would make sense when everyone is using LEDs.

Though incandescents can be low voltage and no-one suggested that all
your lighting circuits should be supplied from a transformer. Then it
wouldn't matter if you stuck your fingers in the sockets (as I suggested
in another post).

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On Saturday, 11 February 2017 13:13:31 UTC, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.


they already are, if you use the 17th edition terminology.

Anyone heard this?


Making them all 50v makes no sense.


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On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


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On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.


240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


I did. Three of them in fact.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


PS do you mean a toroidal transformer?
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:41 +0000, Scott
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?

I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


I did. Three of them in fact.


So you were feeding these LEDs 12vAC?

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
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On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.


240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.


Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .
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so is 1000V. (so is 1500V. if it's DC)
::::::::::
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so is 231V.
so is 230V.
So is 229V.
So is 228V.
So is 227V.
So is 226V.
So is 225V.
So is 224V.
So is 223V.
So is 222V.
So is 221V.
So is 220V.
So is 219V.
So is 218V.
So is 217V.
So is 216V.
So is 215V.
So is 214V.
So is 213V.
So is 212V.
So is 211V.
So is 210V.
So is 209V.
So is 208V.
So is 207V.
So is 206V.
So is 205V.
So is 204V.
So is 203V.
So is 202V.
So is 201V.
So is 200V.
So is 199V.
So is 198V.
So is 197V.
So is 196V.
So is 195V.
So is 194V.
So is 193V.
So is 192V.
So is 191V.
So is 190V.
So is 189V.
So is 188V.
So is 187V.
So is 186V.
So is 185V.
So is 184V.
So is 183V.
So is 182V.
So is 181V.
So is 180V.
So is 179V.
So is 178V.
So is 177V.
So is 176V.
So is 175V.
So is 174V.
So is 173V.
So is 172V.
So is 171V.
So is 170V.
So is 169V.
So is 168V.
So is 167V.
So is 166V.
So is 165V.
So is 164V.
So is 163V.
So is 162V.
So is 161V.
So is 160V.
So is 159V.
So is 158V.
So is 157V.
So is 156V.
So is 155V.
So is 154V.
So is 153V.
So is 152V.
So is 151V.
So is 150V.
So is 149V.
So is 148V.
So is 147V.
So is 146V.
So is 145V.
So is 144V.
So is 143V.
So is 142V.
So is 141V.
So is 140V.
So is 139V.
So is 138V.
So is 137V.
So is 136V.
So is 135V.
So is 134V.
So is 133V.
So is 132V.
So is 131V.
So is 130V.
So is 129V.
So is 128V.
So is 127V.
So is 126V.
So is 125V.
So is 124V.
So is 123V.
So is 122V.
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So is 120V.
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So is 117V.
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So is 115V.
So is 114V.
So is 113V.
So is 112V.
So is 111V.
So is 110V.
So is 109V.
So is 108V.
So is 107V.
So is 106V.
So is 105V.
So is 104V.
So is 103V.
So is 102V.
So is 101V.
So is 100V.
So is 99V.
So is 98V.
So is 97V.
So is 96V.
So is 95V.
So is 94V.
So is 93V.
So is 92V.
So is 91V.
So is 90V.
So is 89V.
So is 88V.
So is 87V.
So is 86V.
So is 85V.
So is 84V.
So is 83V.
So is 82V.
So is 81V.
So is 80V.
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So is 78V.
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So is 76V.
So is 75V.
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So is 72V.
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So is 70V.
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So is 68V.
So is 67V.
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So is 65V.
So is 64V.
So is 63V.
So is 62V.
So is 61V.
So is 60V.
So is 59V.
So is 58V.
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So is 56V.
So is 55V.
So is 54V.
So is 53V.
So is 52V.
So is 51V.
So is 50V.
So is 49V.
So is 48V.
So is 47V.
So is 46V.
So is 45V.
So is 44V.
So is 43V.
So is 42V.
So is 41V.
So is 40V.
So is 39V.
So is 38V.
So is 37V.
So is 36V.
So is 35V.
So is 34V.
So is 33V.
So is 32V.
So is 31V.
So is 30V.
So is 29V.
So is 28V.
So is 27V.
So is 26V.
So is 25V.
So is 24V.
So is 23V.
So is 22V.
So is 21V.
So is 20V.
So is 19V.
So is 18V.
So is 17V.
So is 16V.
So is 15V.
So is 14V.
So is 13V.
So is 12V.
So is 11V.
So is 10V.
So is 9V.
So is 8V.
So is 7V.
So is 6V.
So is 5V.
So is 4V.
So is 3V.
So is 2V.
So is 1V.


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On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the
18th edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a
certain date will have to be low voltage.

240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.


Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to be
some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .


Low voltage: Exceeding extra-low (not exceeding 50v ac or 120v dc) but not
exceeding 1000v ac or 900v dc between conductors and earth.

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
wrote:

On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.


Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .


That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?


Total ********.
The consultation document hasnt been released yet, so no-one, apart from
the JPEL Committee members know what is to be included.
Maybe it is someone who thinks low voltage is ~12-24volts, whereas that
is extra low voltage?


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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:51:37 +0000, Graham.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:41 +0000, Scott
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?

I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


I did. Three of them in fact.


So you were feeding these LEDs 12vAC?


Yes. I understand this is where the problem lay, with the switched
mode converter handling 19 or so times the current mains would have
needed. I had to go back to halogen.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
wrote:

On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.


Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .


That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is
or isn't LV.


I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was
commenting on that reasoning.
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so is 1000V. (so is 1500V. if it's DC)
::::::::::
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so is 231V.
so is 230V.
So is 229V.

well-known series
So is 51V.
So is 50V.


You could argue that the rest isn't, because it is ELV. Depends on
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
wrote:

On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.

Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .


That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is
or isn't LV.


I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was
commenting on that reasoning.


Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V

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On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?

I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


PS do you mean a toroidal transformer?

Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits?


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No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not
leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.
I'm sure there were many such designs proposed back when tomorrows World
was on the telly.
When I was young my gran had an electric iron that had a BC male connector
on it to plug into a lamp socket. so we have come a long way since then, or
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On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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Should have used a toroid...


PS do you mean a toroidal transformer?

Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits?


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Scott wrote:
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
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Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .

That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is
or isn't LV.


I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was
commenting on that reasoning.


Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V


I hope that the return to proper, British, 240 volts is an important
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No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not
leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.


It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:05:52 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could
not come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does
not leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.


There are a number of BC lampholders that are perfectly safe.

One type have springs that have to be depressed to make contact inside
the holder. They are not live unless pressed hard.

A better type have a built in 'switch'. The bulb is inserted, then
rotated to lock. The rotation operates the switch.

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On 11/02/17 16:42, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:34:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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On 11/02/17 13:41, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:13:29 +0000, David Lang
wrote:

Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

Anyone heard this?

I hope not. When I installed 12V LED spotlights they obliterated
radio reception.

Should have used a toroid...


PS do you mean a toroidal transformer?

Of course. What other types of toroids are in use in LV lighting circuits?


That's a yes then, the lighting tracks were each powered by a toroidal
transformer.
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On 11/02/2017 19:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not
leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.


It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick
their fingers in.


Not if they are part of a table lamp.
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Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :
Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V


After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please?
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On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :
Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V


After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please?


I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than
having the limited 240V market.

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On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :
Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V


After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please?


I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than
having the limited 240V market.


But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now.

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On 11/02/2017 22:44, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote:

On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :
Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V

After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please?


I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than
having the limited 240V market.


But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now.


But if they have to mark everything 240V rather than 230V its going to
put up the price. Not that paying more has any effect on brexiteers.
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I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than
having the limited 240V market.


But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now.


But if they have to mark everything 240V rather than 230V its going to
put up the price. Not that paying more has any effect on brexiteers.


Somewhere in the world a factory is making lamps for Australia
Specification says 240 Volt
https://www.lightonline.com.au/gls-b...st-60w-bayonet
same for New Zealand
http://thelightbulbshop.co.nz/incand...1#.WJ-wffZ4jIU

Fairly sure that India is still 240 as well,

Shouldn't be too difficult to find who supplies those places and get
those versions.
Whether the actual lamps differ from the 230 ones coming out of the
same Chinese factory I would not know.

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On Saturday, 11 February 2017 19:05:59 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not
leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.
I'm sure there were many such designs proposed back when tomorrows World
was on the telly.
When I was young my gran had an electric iron that had a BC male connector
on it to plug into a lamp socket. so we have come a long way since then, or
have we?
Brian


I recently bought a batten lampholder that has shielded BC contacts.
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On Saturday, 11 February 2017 19:48:59 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 11/02/2017 19:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
No but I'd often wondered why the combined brains of the world could not
come up with a better lampholder design than ES or BC, one that does not
leave the contacts directly exposed when no bulb is present.


It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't stick
their fingers in.


Wrong answer. I think I was 6.


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On Saturday, 11 February 2017 22:44:38 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 11/02/2017 22:25, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Roger Hayter explained on 11/02/2017 :


Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V

After Brexit, can we all go back to our Imperial 240v please?


I want to continue with the 230V as the stuff will be cheaper than
having the limited 240V market.


But we've never changed from 240V, we just *call* it 230V now.


It's amazing how many people think we actually have 230v at the socket.


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On 11/02/2017 18:37, Roger Hayter wrote:
Scott wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:00:17 +0000, Graham.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:52:05 +0000, Scott
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:41:30 +0000, ARW
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On 11/02/2017 14:38, Huge wrote:
On 2017-02-11, David Lang wrote:
Same bloke in TLC Direct in the lamp holder post, reckoned that the 18th
edition will specify that all new lighting installations after a certain
date will have to be low voltage.

240V *is* low voltage.


So is 230V.

Plus or minus. Is it +10% / -6% or something else as there seems to
be some confusion? I'm sure 240V is in there. .

That's European harmonised supply ********. Nothing to do with what is
or isn't LV.


I appreciate that but I assumed 230V was chosen for a reason and I was
commenting on that reasoning.


Those evil foreigners who are trying to stop us having real English posh
rulers to tug our forelocks to all use 230V


At least we are not on 120V like some poor sods.

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:40:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It's OK because lamp-holders are all high up so the kids can't

stick
their fingers in.


Wrong answer. I think I was 6.


Ditto...

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